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cycloneman · 12-05-2012, 08:08 PM

Isn't it neat the way they call it the fiscal cliff? Dont raise taxes and dont print money we fall off the cliff and die. YOu dont want to die do you?

Why is it called the fiscal cliff? Is it so they can tell you we saved you by taxing and printing?

"no need to thank us mr. taxpayer, were just doing our job here providing you with safety"

"flowers??? no sir really like i said no tanks necessary, its all in a days work for us heros"

"your welcome"

jedwil · 12-05-2012, 08:17 PM

Seems like you have it all figured out...............You're probably wondering where we go from here. Me too. When you get that figured out, please post it here.

cycloneman · 12-05-2012, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jedwil

Seems like you have it all figured out...............You're probably wondering where we go from here. Me too. When you get that figured out, please post it here.

I got it figured out. There is no one with common sense in leadership anymore. I dont want to hear we dont make enough money either. We make plenty of money. The govt collects enough taxes. The problem is speniding on things we are not supost to and forgetting what the money is really there for.

The fed as 17 enumerated powers and they have grown way beyond the authority the constitution gives them. That is the truth, the whole ball of wax, end of the story. And the banks pull the strings.

hogger129 · 12-05-2012, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cycloneman

Isn't it neat the way they call it the fiscal cliff? Dont raise taxes and dont print money we fall off the cliff and die. YOu dont want to die do you?

Why is it called the fiscal cliff? Is it so they can tell you we saved you by taxing and printing?

"no need to thank us mr. taxpayer, were just doing our job here providing you with safety"

"flowers??? no sir really like i said no tanks necessary, its all in a days work for us heros"

"your welcome"

They should just let us go right off of it. Heck, let's even go on national TV and give Obama 100% of the credit. Then when they realize that the tax revenues gained by raising them on the rich are a drop in the bucket and it destroys the economy, we can give Obama and the Democrats all the credit.

He isn't going to make a deal because he doesn't want to.

They have to cut spending. That'll make tax cuts affordable. It will reduce the printing of money and stop devaluing the dollar. Idk Ron Paul had it right, but nobody listened to him.

rcairflr · 12-06-2012, 05:30 AM

What they are currently calling the "Fiscal Cliff" is not the real cliff. The real cliff is when we are so far in debt that there is no difference between us and Greece.

Iron Eagle · 12-06-2012, 05:40 AM

This whole mess is obummer's fault. They make the congress look like a paper tiger. When this mess has finally hit the bottom, we can get back on track IF we make better decisions. With this white house, I do not see that happening. And to think that people actually voted for this?! I didn't. Contrary to what that smooth talking devil thinks, this buck stops at his desk.

Iron Eagle · 12-06-2012, 05:41 AM

Let me add this- to vote for ANYONE but Romney is to vote for obummer.

carver · 12-06-2012, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by rcairflr

What they are currently calling the "Fiscal Cliff" is not the real cliff. The real cliff is when we are so far in debt that there is no difference between us and Greece.

Folks, we are already there. We spend more money than we have coming in. The present leaders of our country want us to go over the "Fiscal Cliff". This will give them the much higher taxes that they want, and with no budget they can spend all the borrowed money they want, and still print more! If the Congress does make a deal it will be for higher taxes on everyone, an increased budget, a higher debt celing, allowing for more borrowing of funds from China, and the Congress will give up all it's powers of being the purse string of America. There is no going back, digging our way out of this hole, voting in a responsible party, or praying out way out of this mess. A one world government is within sight, just over the horrizon! Watch for it!

MSGT-R · 12-06-2012, 09:38 AM

I know if I were one of those rich people that are about to be taxed on my hard earned money, I'd be really pissed right now. Has anyone heard any of them sound off yet?

hobby_mesa · 12-06-2012, 09:44 AM

I've heard of a few of them moving offshore.

cycloneman · 12-06-2012, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MSGT-R

I know if I were one of those rich people that are about to be taxed on my hard earned money, I'd be really pissed right now. Has anyone heard any of them sound off yet?

Havent heard on the news that the rich are selling off assets? there not going to get in front of a microphone and yell. It would upset their dinner to get the blood moving that much. Oh no they just dump this or that and turn to liquid gold. You dont think they get pissed do you? No only the pesent who has something to lose cries and then pray like a fool.

carver · 12-06-2012, 11:02 AM

Take a look at Europe, and what the rich did there, for the most part, they all left! Same thing will happen here. They will just pack up and move to a country where they are appreciated for the wealth they have, and bring with them. Taxing the rich more is a stupid idea. And it's counter productive. A tax of any kind is a tax. Raise the taxes on the rich, and get nothing, then raise the tax on everyone else! Take from those that have a anything, and give to those that have (and want) nothing! Level the playing field! Make everyone equal! When the bubble bursts we all go down together! And the only thing holding the bubble together right now is our ability to still borrow more, and more from those that will still lend to us!

btown · 12-06-2012, 12:10 PM

One indisputable law, like the law of gravity : money goes where it's treated best.

flyingtiger85 · 12-06-2012, 02:18 PM

OK,So we go over the fiscal cliff.All government Departments get a across the board cut.Ahhh, let me think Ahhh----Good!

If they let the Bush tax cuts expire.It will be fixed almost instantly.In my opinion.They know voters will be angry.Even some of the dumb ones.

GunnyGene · 12-06-2012, 02:25 PM

Write your reps and make sure they know your views on this and on the proposal that the debt limit purse strings be handed over to Obama. The two are tied at the hip, and unless it's stopped, the debt limit thing will be used as a bargaining chip. If the House gives that power to Obama, it's all over, and they might as well lock the doors and go home.

flyingtiger85 · 12-06-2012, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GunnyGene

Write your reps and make sure they know your views on this and on the proposal that the debt limit purse strings be handed over to Obama. The two are tied at the hip, and unless it's stopped, the debt limit thing will be used as a bargaining chip. If the House gives that power to Obama, it's all over, and they might as well lock the doors and go home.

I believe it's the senate that can do this.Only the Democrats can stop it by siding with Republicans.This can backfire when the power shifts back to Republicans.And it always does eventually.If this happens spending will bankrupt us for sure.At least Romney was going to address the spending and the Dems.had no plan to do anything and still won the election.I still can't believe it.

GunnyGene · 12-06-2012, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by flyingtiger85

I believe it's the senate that can do this.Only the Democrats can stop it by siding with Republicans.This can backfire when the power shifts back to Republicans.And it always does eventually.If this happens spending will bankrupt us for sure.At least Romney was going to address the spending and the Dems.had no plan to do anything and still won the election.I still can't believe it.

Tax and spending bills must originate in the House. The Senate can amend, but not initiate, and if they do amend the bill must go back to the House. Giving Obama the ability to control the purse strings would be an intolerable abdication of the House powers.

cycloneman · 12-06-2012, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GunnyGene

Write your reps and make sure they know your views on this and on the proposal that the debt limit purse strings be handed over to Obama. The two are tied at the hip, and unless it's stopped, the debt limit thing will be used as a bargaining chip. If the House gives that power to Obama, it's all over, and they might as well lock the doors and go home.

Ha

They are all in on it dude. I aint writing no one. That would be a waste of my time. They know what i am thiking and dont F'ING CARE!!!!!

See you in heck buddie that is where we are going. Cheers!

flboots · 12-06-2012, 06:58 PM

I hear about taxing the rich etc, etc. I don't hear obama's buddies in Hollywood screaming about being extra taxed and giving their money to the free loaders. Something is up. Who is being taxed and who is exempt?

12-05-2012, 08:08 PM	#1
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,406	YOu fiscal cliffers Isn't it neat the way they call it the fiscal cliff? Dont raise taxes and dont print money we fall off the cliff and die. YOu dont want to die do you? Why is it called the fiscal cliff? Is it so they can tell you we saved you by taxing and printing? "no need to thank us mr. taxpayer, were just doing our job here providing you with safety" "flowers??? no sir really like i said no tanks necessary, its all in a days work for us heros" "your welcome" __________________ Who are you going to serve today? -->

12-05-2012, 08:17 PM	#2
jedwil Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Texas Hill Country Contributor Posts: 1,922	Re: YOu fiscal cliffers Seems like you have it all figured out...............You're probably wondering where we go from here. Me too. When you get that figured out, please post it here. __________________ "Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom." -- John F. Kennedy

12-06-2012, 05:30 AM	#5
rcairflr Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Wichita, Ks Posts: 1,318	Re: YOu fiscal cliffers What they are currently calling the "Fiscal Cliff" is not the real cliff. The real cliff is when we are so far in debt that there is no difference between us and Greece.

12-06-2012, 05:40 AM	#6
Iron Eagle Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Louisiana Posts: 658	Re: YOu fiscal cliffers This whole mess is obummer's fault. They make the congress look like a paper tiger. When this mess has finally hit the bottom, we can get back on track IF we make better decisions. With this white house, I do not see that happening. And to think that people actually voted for this?! I didn't. Contrary to what that smooth talking devil thinks, this buck stops at his desk.

12-06-2012, 05:41 AM	#7
Iron Eagle Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Louisiana Posts: 658	Re: YOu fiscal cliffers Let me add this- to vote for ANYONE but Romney is to vote for obummer.

12-06-2012, 09:38 AM	#9
MSGT-R Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: SoCal Posts: 901	Re: YOu fiscal cliffers I know if I were one of those rich people that are about to be taxed on my hard earned money, I'd be really pissed right now. Has anyone heard any of them sound off yet? __________________ If you suck, go back to the range.

12-06-2012, 09:44 AM	#10
hobby_mesa V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Fort Worth Posts: 358	Re: YOu fiscal cliffers I've heard of a few of them moving offshore.

12-06-2012, 11:02 AM	#12
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,280	Re: YOu fiscal cliffers Take a look at Europe, and what the rich did there, for the most part, they all left! Same thing will happen here. They will just pack up and move to a country where they are appreciated for the wealth they have, and bring with them. Taxing the rich more is a stupid idea. And it's counter productive. A tax of any kind is a tax. Raise the taxes on the rich, and get nothing, then raise the tax on everyone else! Take from those that have a anything, and give to those that have (and want) nothing! Level the playing field! Make everyone equal! When the bubble bursts we all go down together! And the only thing holding the bubble together right now is our ability to still borrow more, and more from those that will still lend to us! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

12-06-2012, 12:10 PM	#13
btown V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 242	Re: YOu fiscal cliffers One indisputable law, like the law of gravity : money goes where it's treated best.

12-06-2012, 02:18 PM	#14
flyingtiger85 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Nevada Posts: 746	Re: YOu fiscal cliffers OK,So we go over the fiscal cliff.All government Departments get a across the board cut.Ahhh, let me think Ahhh----Good! If they let the Bush tax cuts expire.It will be fixed almost instantly.In my opinion.They know voters will be angry.Even some of the dumb ones. Last edited by flyingtiger85; 12-06-2012 at 02:23 PM..

12-06-2012, 02:25 PM	#15
GunnyGene Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,962	Re: YOu fiscal cliffers Write your reps and make sure they know your views on this and on the proposal that the debt limit purse strings be handed over to Obama. The two are tied at the hip, and unless it's stopped, the debt limit thing will be used as a bargaining chip. If the House gives that power to Obama, it's all over, and they might as well lock the doors and go home.

12-06-2012, 06:58 PM	#19
flboots V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Northeast Florida Posts: 354	Re: YOu fiscal cliffers I hear about taxing the rich etc, etc. I don't hear obama's buddies in Hollywood screaming about being extra taxed and giving their money to the free loaders. Something is up. Who is being taxed and who is exempt?