7 Year Old Boy Shot By Father - The Firearms Forum

76Highboy · 12-08-2012, 08:13 PM

Nobody should assume that a gun is not loaded. This makes me sick.

http://news.yahoo.com/police-boy-7-s...200049283.html

norahc · 12-08-2012, 08:15 PM

A tragedy that could have been prevented.

Big Chevy · 12-08-2012, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 76Highboy

Nobody should assume that a gun is not loaded. This makes me sick.

http://news.yahoo.com/police-boy-7-s...200049283.html

+1

WHSmithIV · 12-08-2012, 08:59 PM

All guns are always loaded period.

CCHolderinMaine · 12-08-2012, 09:51 PM

There's a rule I've always been taught and everybody here has heard it before but when you see stories like this you have to repeat it:

Never, EVER, point a gun at anything you don't intend to shoot. Therefore, you'll never, EVER, shoot anything you didn't intend.

Rocketman1 · 12-08-2012, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 76Highboy

Nobody should assume that a gun is not loaded. This makes me sick.

http://news.yahoo.com/police-boy-7-s...200049283.html

Very sad.

Makes you wonder if that man will ever pick up a gun again.

hstout1143 · 12-09-2012, 12:50 AM

So sad, he'll have to live with that the rest of his life.

aa1911 · 12-09-2012, 12:59 AM

I feel sorry for him in one aspect as he has to live his life knowing what he did but another part of me wants to smack him upside the head. What the hell were you doing that you discharged a gun that was also pointed at your loved one??????????????????

Can't imagine the pain he must be in but come on guy, ya gotta be a little smarter than that. So sad, not to mention it fuels the anti-gunner's fire.

It's amazing how rare it is that a gun fires when you don't pull the trigger while it's off safe.

BulletArc47 · 12-09-2012, 01:12 AM

It's the first commandment of firearm safety: Always assume all guns are always loaded always.

The second:Never point your gun at anything that you don't have the intent to kill, or destroy.

The third:Never put your finger on the trigger until you have a proper sight-picture.

Muzzle awareness and trigger discipline are sacred. I know we're human, we can become complacent and make mistakes, but if he AT LEAST followed those three commandments, his boy would still be alive.

I feel sorry for the whole family, especially the father. But the anti-gunners are gonna have a field-day with this. Tragedies like this give reason to people who say we(All gun owners.) are too irresponsible for firearm ownership.

The whole thing makes me queasy.

JLA · 12-09-2012, 02:24 AM

He obviously didnt practice the first rule of safe gun handling.. Ensure the weapon is unloaded. He could have easily done a press check and visually confirmed the weapon was clear and not spent more than 10 seconds doing it. That 10 seconds would have saved his boys life..

I realize it was an accident, but this doesnt make me sick.. It irritates me. This is yet another stat the gun grabbers will use in thier quest to take our guns away. And the worst part is, a 7 yr old boy had to lose his life to give them thier case. Thats the sickening part..

wv hillbilly · 12-09-2012, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BulletArc47

It's the first commandment of firearm safety: Always assume all guns are always loaded always.

The second:Never point your gun at anything that you don't have the intent to kill, or destroy.

The third:Never put your finger on the trigger until you have a proper sight-picture.

Muzzle awareness and trigger discipline are sacred. I know we're human, we can become complacent and make mistakes, but if he AT LEAST followed those three commandments, his boy would still be alive.

I feel sorry for the whole family, especially the father. But the anti-gunners are gonna have a field-day with this. Tragedies like this give reason to people who say we(All gun owners.) are too irresponsible for firearm ownership.

The whole thing makes me queasy.

i couldn't agree with you more

johnny ringo · 12-09-2012, 06:49 AM

Absolutely tragic!

GunHugger · 12-09-2012, 08:22 AM

I just heard about this on a Pittsburgh news report.

They said "the gun somehow discharged".

Somehow? That made it sound as if the gun was just setting there and for no reason at all it just discharged.

They interviewed someone from the gun shop, they said many people don't know to empty the chamber and think the gun is unloaded when they pull the mag. (they said "clip")

Really? People really believe that?

Maybe they should have given the guy some basics on loading and unloading a semi-auto handgun. When I worked in a gun shop I always asked if they know how to properly load and unload and went over the basics if they were new to guns.

But, some people are just stupid and you can't fix that. And no, I'm not blaming the shop that sold it.

I was taught at the age of 5 that ALL guns are always loaded. Even when you are positive it is not loaded it is treated as if it were. A simple rule that my dad and grandfather drilled into my little head.

rcairflr · 12-09-2012, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rocketman1

Very sad.

Makes you wonder if that man will ever pick up a gun again.

Makes you wonder if an idiot like him should ever pick up a gun again.

It is a trajedy for the young boy who will never grow up and other family members who loved him, the father should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

m77user · 12-09-2012, 09:52 AM

What I think does not matter. A family has lost a loved one. The advocates for gun control advocates will crucify the father and use this as thier talking point.

AL MOUNT · 12-09-2012, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by WHSmithIV

All guns are always loaded period.

So so true my friend...

I preach & teach...
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN UNLOADED GUN, NEVER EVER PERIOD.

gdmoody · 12-09-2012, 11:09 AM

Y'all have already said all the things that I am thinking. My prayers go out for this family.

WHSmithIV · 12-09-2012, 12:23 PM

This is so very sad and incredible also. How could the guy have been so stupid?...
Now he and his family have to live with this, the anti-gun people will have a field day and a lot more people will suffer. Guns are loaded period. I know mine are loaded and so does my wife. Guns are tools and they don't work without bullets just like a drill won't work without a drill bit - of course they are loaded.

JLA · 12-09-2012, 01:50 PM

Hell even if I know they are unloaded i still visually check the chamber each and everytime I get one out. Its just smart.. Guns dont discharge themselves. There has to be an idiot behind the trigger..

aa1911 · 12-09-2012, 03:26 PM

attempt to place on safe...
drop the source of feed...
eject the chambered round and lock the bolt/slide to the rear...
3 point safety check- chamber, magwell and bolt face...

oh, and don't point it at anything you don't wish to destroy...

so many safety measures not used, I wonder if this guy will shoot ever again?

bustedmp · 12-09-2012, 08:21 PM

My thoughts and prayers go out to the family. I don't have to feel bad for the guy, he is going to feel bad enough for himself. I do feel bad for the rest of the family. I don't think the guy going to prison is going to change anything, either way he is going to have to live with what he did. Actually, prison may help it be easier on him. Outside life may be much worse for him than being inside steel and concrete. There will always be someone to remind him, and probably not in a good way. It was such a stupid waste of a young life. Guns are always treated as if they are loaded. Always point muzzle in a safe direction. Don't point at anything you don't intend to shoot. Keep finger off trigger until ready to shoot. Also I would question the gun shop if they looked at his guns, they didn't bother to do a safety check. That is the first thing you do when someone hands you a gun. Check to be sure it is safe to handle.

gdmoody · 12-09-2012, 11:50 PM

While I was on my 8:30 break at work today, the local (Atlanta) news was on. This story came on briefly and it was saying something about the gun going off. I went to raising hell because we all know it just don't happen. There was one other person in the break room at the time and she asked me "Can that really happen?". I explained to her what a negligent discharge was and that there is no gun in the world that will just go off by itself. There are so many people who believe the drivel the media puts out!!! I don't want to call them ignorant, but . . . . . . . . .

Maine04657 · 12-10-2012, 07:48 AM

IMHO The guy was a idiot who lacked even a basic understanding of firearms and there safe handling. Clear violation or Rule #1 #2 and #3.

12-08-2012, 08:59 PM	#4
WHSmithIV Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Moore, Idaho contributor Posts: 2,605	Re: 7 Year Old Boy Shot By Father All guns are always loaded period.

12-08-2012, 09:51 PM	#5
CCHolderinMaine Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Steep Falls, Maine Contributor Posts: 629	Re: 7 Year Old Boy Shot By Father There's a rule I've always been taught and everybody here has heard it before but when you see stories like this you have to repeat it: Never, EVER, point a gun at anything you don't intend to shoot. Therefore, you'll never, EVER, shoot anything you didn't intend.

12-09-2012, 12:50 AM	#7
hstout1143 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: California Contributor Posts: 1,735	Re: 7 Year Old Boy Shot By Father So sad, he'll have to live with that the rest of his life. __________________ NRA Life Member Kids that hunt and fish don't mug old ladies. "Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." - Ronald Reagan "Deo Duce, Ferro Comitante", With God as my leader and my sword as my companion

12-09-2012, 12:59 AM	#8
aa1911 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 3,110	Re: 7 Year Old Boy Shot By Father I feel sorry for him in one aspect as he has to live his life knowing what he did but another part of me wants to smack him upside the head. What the hell were you doing that you discharged a gun that was also pointed at your loved one?????????????????? Can't imagine the pain he must be in but come on guy, ya gotta be a little smarter than that. So sad, not to mention it fuels the anti-gunner's fire. It's amazing how rare it is that a gun fires when you don't pull the trigger while it's off safe. __________________ "Loud noises don't end gunfights.... well placed shots do."

12-09-2012, 01:12 AM	#9
BulletArc47 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Georgia Posts: 259	Re: 7 Year Old Boy Shot By Father It's the first commandment of firearm safety: Always assume all guns are always loaded always. The second:Never point your gun at anything that you don't have the intent to kill, or destroy. The third:Never put your finger on the trigger until you have a proper sight-picture. Muzzle awareness and trigger discipline are sacred. I know we're human, we can become complacent and make mistakes, but if he AT LEAST followed those three commandments, his boy would still be alive. I feel sorry for the whole family, especially the father. But the anti-gunners are gonna have a field-day with this. Tragedies like this give reason to people who say we(All gun owners.) are too irresponsible for firearm ownership. The whole thing makes me queasy. __________________ “Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples’ liberty’s teeth.” – George Washington If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. – Jacob Hornberger (1995) “Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.” – Mahatma Mohandas K. Gandhi Last edited by BulletArc47; 12-09-2012 at 02:29 AM..

12-08-2012, 08:13 PM	#1
76Highboy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Meridian, Idaho Contributor Posts: 6,932	7 Year Old Boy Shot By Father Nobody should assume that a gun is not loaded. This makes me sick. http://news.yahoo.com/police-boy-7-s...200049283.html -->

12-09-2012, 02:24 AM	#10
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,305	Re: 7 Year Old Boy Shot By Father He obviously didnt practice the first rule of safe gun handling.. Ensure the weapon is unloaded. He could have easily done a press check and visually confirmed the weapon was clear and not spent more than 10 seconds doing it. That 10 seconds would have saved his boys life.. I realize it was an accident, but this doesnt make me sick.. It irritates me. This is yet another stat the gun grabbers will use in thier quest to take our guns away. And the worst part is, a 7 yr old boy had to lose his life to give them thier case. Thats the sickening part.. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

12-09-2012, 06:49 AM	#12
johnny ringo V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Treasure Coast, FL Contributor Posts: 142	Re: 7 Year Old Boy Shot By Father Absolutely tragic!

12-09-2012, 08:22 AM	#13
GunHugger Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SW PA Posts: 1,159	Re: 7 Year Old Boy Shot By Father I just heard about this on a Pittsburgh news report. They said "the gun somehow discharged". Somehow? That made it sound as if the gun was just setting there and for no reason at all it just discharged. They interviewed someone from the gun shop, they said many people don't know to empty the chamber and think the gun is unloaded when they pull the mag. (they said "clip") Really? People really believe that? Maybe they should have given the guy some basics on loading and unloading a semi-auto handgun. When I worked in a gun shop I always asked if they know how to properly load and unload and went over the basics if they were new to guns. But, some people are just stupid and you can't fix that. And no, I'm not blaming the shop that sold it. I was taught at the age of 5 that ALL guns are always loaded. Even when you are positive it is not loaded it is treated as if it were. A simple rule that my dad and grandfather drilled into my little head. __________________ . “There will be a revolution in this country!” “I don’t believe people should to be able to own guns.” ~Barack Obama "Stand your ground. Don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war let it begin here." ~Captain John Parker, to his Minute Men on Lexington Green, April 19, 1775.

12-09-2012, 09:52 AM	#15
m77user V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 149	Re: 7 Year Old Boy Shot By Father What I think does not matter. A family has lost a loved one. The advocates for gun control advocates will crucify the father and use this as thier talking point.

12-09-2012, 11:09 AM	#17
gdmoody Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northeast Georgia Contributor Posts: 6,310	Re: 7 Year Old Boy Shot By Father Y'all have already said all the things that I am thinking. My prayers go out for this family. __________________ NRA Endowment Member GeorgiaCarry.Org Member Retired US Army Postal Worker Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'.....author unknown (but obviously brilliant)

12-09-2012, 12:23 PM	#18
WHSmithIV Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Moore, Idaho contributor Posts: 2,605	Re: 7 Year Old Boy Shot By Father This is so very sad and incredible also. How could the guy have been so stupid?... Now he and his family have to live with this, the anti-gun people will have a field day and a lot more people will suffer. Guns are loaded period. I know mine are loaded and so does my wife. Guns are tools and they don't work without bullets just like a drill won't work without a drill bit - of course they are loaded.

12-09-2012, 01:50 PM	#19
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,305	Re: 7 Year Old Boy Shot By Father Hell even if I know they are unloaded i still visually check the chamber each and everytime I get one out. Its just smart.. Guns dont discharge themselves. There has to be an idiot behind the trigger.. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

12-09-2012, 03:26 PM	#20
aa1911 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 3,110	Re: 7 Year Old Boy Shot By Father attempt to place on safe... drop the source of feed... eject the chambered round and lock the bolt/slide to the rear... 3 point safety check- chamber, magwell and bolt face... oh, and don't point it at anything you don't wish to destroy... so many safety measures not used, I wonder if this guy will shoot ever again? __________________ "Loud noises don't end gunfights.... well placed shots do."

12-09-2012, 08:21 PM	#21
bustedmp V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Shamokin PA. Posts: 157	Re: 7 Year Old Boy Shot By Father My thoughts and prayers go out to the family. I don't have to feel bad for the guy, he is going to feel bad enough for himself. I do feel bad for the rest of the family. I don't think the guy going to prison is going to change anything, either way he is going to have to live with what he did. Actually, prison may help it be easier on him. Outside life may be much worse for him than being inside steel and concrete. There will always be someone to remind him, and probably not in a good way. It was such a stupid waste of a young life. Guns are always treated as if they are loaded. Always point muzzle in a safe direction. Don't point at anything you don't intend to shoot. Keep finger off trigger until ready to shoot. Also I would question the gun shop if they looked at his guns, they didn't bother to do a safety check. That is the first thing you do when someone hands you a gun. Check to be sure it is safe to handle.

12-09-2012, 11:50 PM	#22
gdmoody Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northeast Georgia Contributor Posts: 6,310	Re: 7 Year Old Boy Shot By Father While I was on my 8:30 break at work today, the local (Atlanta) news was on. This story came on briefly and it was saying something about the gun going off. I went to raising hell because we all know it just don't happen. There was one other person in the break room at the time and she asked me "Can that really happen?". I explained to her what a negligent discharge was and that there is no gun in the world that will just go off by itself. There are so many people who believe the drivel the media puts out!!! I don't want to call them ignorant, but . . . . . . . . . __________________ NRA Endowment Member GeorgiaCarry.Org Member Retired US Army Postal Worker Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'.....author unknown (but obviously brilliant)

12-10-2012, 07:48 AM	#23
Maine04657 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Maine Posts: 329	Re: 7 Year Old Boy Shot By Father IMHO The guy was a idiot who lacked even a basic understanding of firearms and there safe handling. Clear violation or Rule #1 #2 and #3. __________________ "If you carry a gun, people call you paranoid. That's ridiculous. If I have a gun, what in the hell do I have to be paranoid about?" Clint Smith