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satellite66 · 12-09-2004, 04:36 PM

Court: Mom's Eavesdropping Violated Law

SEATTLE - Striking a blow for rebellious teenagers, the Washington Supreme Court ruled Thursday that state law prohibits parents from eavesdropping on a child's phone conversations.

The case reached the high court because of a purse-snatching. A 17-year-old boy was convicted of the robbery, in part on testimony from his girlfriend's mother, who overhead him discussing the crime on the phone with her daughter.

The daughter had taken a cordless phone into her bedroom and closed the door. In another room, her mother pressed the speakerphone button on an extension, listened in and took notes.

The court ruled that the daughter and her boyfriend had a reasonable expectation of privacy on the phone. Washington state law prohibits intercepting or recording conversations without the consent of all participants.

"The Washington privacy statute puts a high value on the privacy of communications," Justice Tom Chambers wrote in the unanimous opinion.

The boyfriend will get a new trial.

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SouthernMoss · 12-09-2004, 04:52 PM

Good thing they weren't around when my son was a teenager. It's a mother's right.... no, a mother's DUTY ... to snoop.

1952Sniper · 12-09-2004, 04:54 PM

Oh Geez. Gimme a break. Kids can already divorce their parents, get their parents arrested for spanking them, and now they have a legal right to privacy on the phone. Where will it end?

Come on, collapse of society!

pickenup · 12-09-2004, 10:13 PM

Nope, can’t be a “parent” any more. Sad.......

Craig · 12-10-2004, 07:05 AM

Mother should take the phone away.Daughter would also have the right to pay for her own phone.

Marlin · 12-10-2004, 08:55 AM

I had a different angle on this one. As an expert on telephones and an FCC certified rebuilder, many years ago I purchased an older antique model three holer.

When my eldest son and his roommate and good friend who lived with us at the time (early twenties) abused the phone, I pulled the one out of their room, as well as cutting off the service to their room so they couldn't override it.

Next, I went to work rebuilding the antique putting it back in pure original condition, it having been modified to a regular type phone. In the middle of the night, I hung it on the main hall wall where everybody could hear their conversations, if they wanted to, and we could see when they were using it. I set it for needing TWO quarters. No dial tone without the money AND no incoming call connected without the money.

I wish I'd had a camera the next morning for the look on their faces when told that was the only phone they could use and smuggly picked up for a call, thinking, so what, it will just work like and other, and it was DEAD. I never told them about the money so they went to figuring it out. It stayed in place for two months and, yes, they learned their lesson. We had no similar problem thereafter, to this day, and my son is now forty-five!

Carl S · 12-10-2004, 05:50 PM

I cannot believe that ruling. They are minors. Lord, please protect us from liberal lunitics.

Colonel Plink · 12-18-2004, 10:41 AM

I am a firm believer in teenager's complete right to privacy...in any house that a teenager is paying the mortgage on.
-Plink

jsmarriner · 12-18-2004, 12:11 PM

Im disgusted at this ruling. Heard about it on Bill O'riely's show. I ranted a lil bit on another thread so i wont go much into it. The ACLU needs to be treated as a threat to National Security.

Salvage33 · 12-19-2004, 10:43 AM

The ACLU is not only a threat to national security, it is a threat to the very fabric of our society!! It has championed such causes as an underage females right to abortion on demand, WITHOUT parental consent or knowledge, the removal of ANY mention of God or other CHRISTIAN symbols in the public arena all the while not going after symbols of other religions, ie., the Jewish Torah, or the Islamic Star and Crescent.

They continue to foster the belief that "separation of church and state" is a Constitutional issue. No where in the Constitution of the United States does it say that.

They continue to say that they fight only for fairness and equality in all rights established by the Constitution, but they speak out of one side of their mouth since they don't uphold the 2nd Amendment rights of the citizens of this country, but rather don't say anything about the continued encroachment by legislatures, state and national, against gun ownership. Additionally, ACLU attorneys have assisted in planning legal attacks against gun owners by working with private attorneys who file such suits against gun manufacturers on the behalf of local governmental bodies.

However, since they continue to send me pleas for contributions and beg me to join their erstwhile endeavor, I send back the prepaid envelope stuffed with literature from the NRA and GOA to piss them off.

It is a small gesture, I know, but it makes me feel better and at the same time forces them to pay for it!

John

armedandsafe · 12-19-2004, 03:46 PM

Good on ya, John. I do the same thing with the AARP crap I receive. Most of these organizations will automatically put you on their "accelerated" mailing list if you send them anything. Which means they spend even more money on worthless mailings and begging.

Pops

Salvage33 · 12-19-2004, 07:27 PM

LOL...thanks. I just thought they should have to pay as much as they have to in order to pester me with their freakin' mailings and pleas for money!

John

12-09-2004, 04:36 PM	#1
satellite66 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Central NJ Posts: 2,068	We are doomed. I have no more doubts Court: Mom's Eavesdropping Violated Law SEATTLE - Striking a blow for rebellious teenagers, the Washington Supreme Court ruled Thursday that state law prohibits parents from eavesdropping on a child's phone conversations. The case reached the high court because of a purse-snatching. A 17-year-old boy was convicted of the robbery, in part on testimony from his girlfriend's mother, who overhead him discussing the crime on the phone with her daughter. The daughter had taken a cordless phone into her bedroom and closed the door. In another room, her mother pressed the speakerphone button on an extension, listened in and took notes. The court ruled that the daughter and her boyfriend had a reasonable expectation of privacy on the phone. Washington state law prohibits intercepting or recording conversations without the consent of all participants. "The Washington privacy statute puts a high value on the privacy of communications," Justice Tom Chambers wrote in the unanimous opinion. The boyfriend will get a new trial. Link __________________ “Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not” — Thomas Jefferson. "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948 -->

12-09-2004, 04:52 PM	#2
SouthernMoss Admin Tech Staff Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: SW MS Contributor Posts: 10,651	Re: We are doomed. I have no more doubts Good thing they weren't around when my son was a teenager. It's a mother's right.... no, a mother's DUTY ... to snoop. __________________ My Second protects your First "I declare to you that woman must not depend upon the protection of man, but must be taught to protect herself, and there I take my stand." - Susan B Anthony

12-09-2004, 04:54 PM	#3
1952Sniper Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 5,138	Re: We are doomed. I have no more doubts Oh Geez. Gimme a break. Kids can already divorce their parents, get their parents arrested for spanking them, and now they have a legal right to privacy on the phone. Where will it end? Come on, collapse of society!

12-09-2004, 10:13 PM	#4
pickenup Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains Posts: 6,837	Re: We are doomed. I have no more doubts Nope, can’t be a “parent” any more. Sad....... __________________ The gene pool needs chlorine

12-10-2004, 07:05 AM	#5
Craig Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Central Pa. Posts: 561	Re: We are doomed. I have no more doubts Mother should take the phone away.Daughter would also have the right to pay for her own phone. __________________ If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went. -Will Rogers My goal in life is to be as good of a person as my dog already thinks I am. -Unknown

12-10-2004, 08:55 AM	#6
Marlin TFF Admin Staff Chief Counselor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: At SouthernMoss' side forever! Contributor Posts: 13,853	Re: We are doomed. I have no more doubts I had a different angle on this one. As an expert on telephones and an FCC certified rebuilder, many years ago I purchased an older antique model three holer. When my eldest son and his roommate and good friend who lived with us at the time (early twenties) abused the phone, I pulled the one out of their room, as well as cutting off the service to their room so they couldn't override it. Next, I went to work rebuilding the antique putting it back in pure original condition, it having been modified to a regular type phone. In the middle of the night, I hung it on the main hall wall where everybody could hear their conversations, if they wanted to, and we could see when they were using it. I set it for needing TWO quarters. No dial tone without the money AND no incoming call connected without the money. I wish I'd had a camera the next morning for the look on their faces when told that was the only phone they could use and smuggly picked up for a call, thinking, so what, it will just work like and other, and it was DEAD. I never told them about the money so they went to figuring it out. It stayed in place for two months and, yes, they learned their lesson. We had no similar problem thereafter, to this day, and my son is now forty-five! __________________ *The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing.* *The only criminal class native to the United States is Congress.*

12-10-2004, 05:50 PM	#7
Carl S Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bunnell, FL Posts: 1,015	Re: We are doomed. I have no more doubts I cannot believe that ruling. They are minors. Lord, please protect us from liberal lunitics. __________________ Carl S Old Soldier The Bill of Rights - guaranteed by the Second Amendment You can trust the government - just ask any Indian

12-18-2004, 10:41 AM	#8
Colonel Plink V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: NE Colorado Posts: 68	Re: We are doomed. I have no more doubts I am a firm believer in teenager's complete right to privacy...in any house that a teenager is paying the mortgage on. -Plink __________________ "When the going gets weird, the Weird turn Pro" - -Hunter S. Thompson

12-18-2004, 12:11 PM	#9
jsmarriner V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 300	Re: We are doomed. I have no more doubts Im disgusted at this ruling. Heard about it on Bill O'riely's show. I ranted a lil bit on another thread so i wont go much into it. The ACLU needs to be treated as a threat to National Security. __________________ Never Moon a WereWolf!!

12-19-2004, 10:43 AM	#10
Salvage33 V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Shreveport, LA why leave the USA to visit a 3rd world country? Posts: 475	Re: We are doomed. I have no more doubts The ACLU is not only a threat to national security, it is a threat to the very fabric of our society!! It has championed such causes as an underage females right to abortion on demand, WITHOUT parental consent or knowledge, the removal of ANY mention of God or other CHRISTIAN symbols in the public arena all the while not going after symbols of other religions, ie., the Jewish Torah, or the Islamic Star and Crescent. They continue to foster the belief that "separation of church and state" is a Constitutional issue. No where in the Constitution of the United States does it say that. They continue to say that they fight only for fairness and equality in all rights established by the Constitution, but they speak out of one side of their mouth since they don't uphold the 2nd Amendment rights of the citizens of this country, but rather don't say anything about the continued encroachment by legislatures, state and national, against gun ownership. Additionally, ACLU attorneys have assisted in planning legal attacks against gun owners by working with private attorneys who file such suits against gun manufacturers on the behalf of local governmental bodies. However, since they continue to send me pleas for contributions and beg me to join their erstwhile endeavor, I send back the prepaid envelope stuffed with literature from the NRA and GOA to piss them off. It is a small gesture, I know, but it makes me feel better and at the same time forces them to pay for it! John __________________ Living in a nudist colony takes all the fun out of Halloween.

12-19-2004, 03:46 PM	#11
armedandsafe Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Moses Lake, WA Posts: 10,344	Re: We are doomed. I have no more doubts Good on ya, John. I do the same thing with the AARP crap I receive. Most of these organizations will automatically put you on their "accelerated" mailing list if you send them anything. Which means they spend even more money on worthless mailings and begging. Pops

12-19-2004, 07:27 PM	#12
Salvage33 V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Shreveport, LA why leave the USA to visit a 3rd world country? Posts: 475	Re: We are doomed. I have no more doubts LOL...thanks. I just thought they should have to pay as much as they have to in order to pester me with their freakin' mailings and pleas for money! John __________________ Living in a nudist colony takes all the fun out of Halloween.