1911 or this

nix the Glock

[Shooter45]

Several years ago, Kimber sat the 1911 industry on it's butt.

Kimber took all the features the custom pistolsmiths were doing and incorperated them into their design. Springfield followed soon after. Both companys left Colt, which was plagued with quality control problems, in the dust. Colt never caught up.

I own a few older Colts and carry one daily but if I bought a new Colt 1911, I would do some reliability work before I carried it.

IMHO, the best 1911's on the market are Kimber and Springfield and I have owned 1911's made by every manufacturer.

[Crpdeth]

Ron, really glad to have you aboard man...You asked about the Colts...My 1911 is a newer 'Colt .45 M1991A1 Commander Model' that has no gunsmithing done to it whatsoever, I would like to have some work done to it someday, I'd love some dot sights and maybe a sweet trigger/trigger job, match barrell...All these things will come with time, but my post is to let you know that I love this weapon right out of the box, without any improvements, it has never let me down, I use it at the range as well as a backup weapon while hunting deer and hogs in N.E. Tx, it will take the head off of a huge bottom dwelling cotten mouth, or punch paper all day long flawlessly, it looks good, and really feels good in my hand...I dont rank it up there with the Kimbers, in fact my dream .45 is a custom Kimber, but, for the price, in my evaluation, you cant go wrong with a colt.


~Donny

[frosty]

This should help Ron. Below is my 1911. I am building another one.

I had a Glock 21. Could not hit anything with it.

I traded it for a Springfield 1911. My accuracy improved because of the design of the pistol. The 1911 is designed for the soldier in the field. It has a natural pointing characteristic.

You can MAKE a 1911 accurate.

You can NOT MAKE a Glock accurate, because you get what comes in the box.

I know you can feel it calling Ron.........can't you.

[Crpdeth]

Heh Heh...You got me chuckling here frosty ( I feel them calling every day).

Thanks for posting the pic, as an amature photographer I am always looking for new "back drops" the shell casings are great...

~Crp

[Hydra Shok]

Nobody mentioned Firestorms......


www.firestorm-sgs.com

need a lot more time with a .22 Browning Buckmark, and some training as well. Take a look at Aim Surplus's 9mm Star Compact BM, for about $175 out the door, with a spare mag. .45 ammo costs a LOT more than 9mm ammo, in most areas. If you later decide to move up to a .45, and want to carry one, consider a $300 Star PD. Very lw and compact. I prefer the alloy compact 1911's, mostly because of the .22 lr conversion units.

[kravi]

I would suggest a Kimber. They are great out of the box, all of their "custom II" variants have match barrels and triggers, they are reliable, and you can also get that aforementioned .22 conversion kit. This is a grea thing for practice. The ammo is cheap, and the kick is minimal. And because of that, if you are a new shooter, you can perfect your form without evolving a "flinch response". And the skills with the .22 are identical to the skills you'll need shooting .45ACP

-Kravi

P.S. I'm speaking from experience, since I too am a new shooter.

P.P.S. I'd also just recommend the plain old "Custom II". It's got the match barrel and trigger, fixed sights (which are plenty accurate) and everything you need.

P.P.P.S. Whatever you buy, I'd recommend at least replacing the recoil spring with an 18 1/2# one (rather than the default 16 #). It can really help reliability.

P.P.P.P.S. And get some wilson combat magazines (8 rounders). And maybe a spring/follower replacement kit for the kimber mag (mine would jam occasionally till I replaced the spring/follower with a wilson one)

P.P.P.P.P.S. Glocks can be really bloody accurate too. And there are "match grade" barrels made for them. But that might not be necessary. The gun, out of the box, works well, is efficient, and accurate.

P.P.P.P.P.P.S I still prefer a good 1911 though. Of course

P.P.P.P.P.P.P.S. Sorry about all the bloody Post Scripts. I kinda got carried away...

[islenos]

My only pistola is a WWII 1911A1, she has never failed to put the rounds down range. Which includes the last jan. episode of a fail truck theft were the perp learn just how fast he can really run after two rounds were placed at his feet.

[Neil]

I agree with everyone who said 1911 hands down........I have carried a glock for over a year. "never do that again" I couldn't wait to sell it......1911 shoots,carries,conceal's nicer/better. safer.
now 1911 is all I carry for a semi auto.

[Hydra Shok]

Glock 21 for weight reduction and higher capacity.

[stash247]

Ron, a crash course.
Government model= 5" Barrel
Commander (LW) = 4 1/4 " Barrel, Aluminum Frame
Combat Commander= as above, but steel frame
Officer's Model= 3 1/2 Barrel, on a steel frame, one round shorter than all the above ( Frame is about .500 in shorter- actual barrel length is 3 5/8 in)
Officers Model LW= as above, aluminum frame
Defender= 3" barrel, on a frame like the officer's model
Anything shorter than a Commander requires the very BEST in mags, with ferocious stout springs, to be a 100% reliable pistol. The cycle time is enough shorter than the original design to challenge the mag's ability to "get the round in place" fast enough to feed. Especially noticeable with a full mag!
I own and shoot all but the Defender, and several Detonics, etc shorties besides, and would prefer the 5" gun to any, if concealment is not an issue.
Hope this helps, Terry

[noslolo]

Wow you guys are great! I too am a new member and have always wanted a 1911. Recently I got my CCW and had been trying to decide between a 1911 and a snubie smith (I have a lot of love for the smiths as well) But you guys sure make the 1911 sound good! I have researched them a bit and you sure can't go wrong with a Kimber, which might have to come my way at tax time as well. Anyhoo, buy what fits your hand and enjoy shooting it.

[stash247]

Ron,
a candid thought, following my 1911 submission. I also own, and frequently carry, one of several available Ti-Lite S&W revolvers.
Less power than the .45, but adequate, even excessive, at times.
They weigh in at as little as 10 ozs, and go anywhere but the pool.
Manual of arms is simpler, and controls, such as they are, number one.
Right- 1- trigger. All the rest is already done. Find the target, shoot the target, watch the target, rest. All the hard stuff is engineered OUT.
As a gun nut,training is essential, in order to maximise function, and if the level of training is adequate, the 1911 is superb.
But, if firearms are an accessory, or tool, not a goal, the S&W revolver is a more than viable alternative.
Consider your options...

[358 winchester]

Originally Posted by Shooter45

Welcome to TFF.
You will need to go to a gun shop and handle both 1911 and glock. Which feels better in your hand ?
For accuracy, reliability, maintainance,parts and toughness............1911. Hands down.
A gun for entertainment........Glock all the way.
I can laugh at them for hours.
This topic has been rolled around on every gun forum on the net.
Results, all the same. Some love Glock, some hate them.

ROTFLMAO
Shooter45 you said it all in this post.
Blue Steel and Walnut or it just ain't real
I just put my only Stainless Steel gun on Lay A Way a Simth & Wesson 625 I got a deal or it would have been Blue Steel
45ACP of course
Ron

[Cheimison]

I would never buy a pistol (for carry) that was as old as the 1911. I know a lot of people are in love with the thing but, jingoism aside, it's not that wonderful a weapon (like the fact that it has problems loading HPs). Glocks are no miracle themselves, but they're lightweight and as long as you use jackted ammo in factory loads you'll have no problem. USP will be more durable in the long run, but Glocks are about half the cost.

[Mongo Slade]

Originally Posted by ron21

hi everyone i want to know which of these guns is best for me a 1911 45acp or a glock 45acp or an put it like this which hand gun is the best as far as reliability accuracy maintainance ,parts ,toughness , hard hitting , and a good gun for entertainment i was looking at the desert eagle 50. price is no option give me your top 5 and why please any reply is greatly appreciated.

Get the Glock!