Cop attacked by heavyweight boxer

satellite66 · 11-09-2006, 03:39 PM

This is some wild event. Thank God he lived to talk about it.

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southernshooter · 11-09-2006, 11:16 PM

Yea that was pretty crazy

Ursus · 11-10-2006, 06:10 AM

Where was his back up gun? Is he from N.J. or Canada? A head shot woul'd had stopped him.

Pistolenschutze · 11-10-2006, 08:41 AM

An incident like this does point out just how underpowered a handgun actually is, and why shot placement in the heart-lung area is so important. A gut-shot perp may end up bleeding out eventually, but it may be too late for the officer. I'd be curious to know what the officer was using, a 9mm perhaps?

Enzo_Guy · 11-10-2006, 03:20 PM

I would've liked to have seen what a shot from the Taurus .410 revolver would've done to this man's chest, certainly more than that handgun the officer was using.

southernshooter · 11-10-2006, 09:35 PM

I think the officer would had been better off using a Taser

Crpdeth · 11-10-2006, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pistolenschutze

An incident like this does point out just how underpowered a handgun actually is, and why shot placement in the heart-lung area is so important. A gut-shot perp may end up bleeding out eventually, but it may be too late for the officer. I'd be curious to know what the officer was using, a 9mm perhaps?

I believe he was using pepper spray, probabally out of date, cheap, stuff, and a bad aim as well...I dont think ol' big boy would be so tough after a couple hot rounds wizzed through him.

Crpdeth

satellite66 · 11-11-2006, 08:01 AM

I could not tell from the video that he even had a taser. I have to believe that before he used deadly force he would have used it if he had one. I also am amazed that someone can tell the brand and expiration date of his pepper spray from the tape.

Pistolenschutze · 11-11-2006, 10:40 AM

Apparently he tried to use pepper spray at first, but it had little effect, Crp. Not too surprising really; that stuff is not as effective as most people think. I gather he did shoot the perp, but even that didn't seem to slow him down much.

Crpdeth · 11-11-2006, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by satellite66

I also am amazed that someone can tell the brand and expiration date of his pepper spray from the tape.

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probabally

Crpdeth

satellite66 · 11-11-2006, 02:24 PM

I don't think he had a taser and he did douse him with pepper spray. In many small towns across America there may only be a couple cops on duty. They might be covering a large area and have to do things alone. His backup could have been 10 minutes away? Maybe more. I thought the cop used lots of restraint. It was clear his life was in jeopardy from that guy. If that guy knocked him out and got his gun. He was lucky but so was the bad guy.

Crpdeth · 11-11-2006, 02:42 PM

Small town AND ten minutes away?

Cant have it both ways, I can go a long way in ten minutes just going the speed limit without overheads and a siren.

Crpdeth

satellite66 · 11-11-2006, 04:52 PM

Well I bow to your expertise. Are you trying to bait me with this? If you want me to leave the forum just say so. I am not going to argue anymore with a monday morning quarterback.

Bruce FLinch · 11-11-2006, 06:12 PM

The cop did show amazing restraint, maybe because he realized he was under powered? He did not have a baton, but that may not have been effective without a well placed hit. The perp was a big guy. I was scared for the cop, just watching it. Both men were lucky.

delta13soultaker · 11-12-2006, 09:41 AM

Lessons that are evident:

Agitated people can fight through OC spray. Even the extremely high and sometimes illegal concentrated stuff can be overcome. (This is a fact I learned in bodyguard training. All of us had to fight 15 minutes with OC on the eyelids. Our class was very diverse and all were able to function enough to qualify a passing score.)

Distance is key to survival. Had the bad guy had a knife or heavy blunt weapon the cop would be dead...because he maintained no standoff.

Absence of distance makes employing a sidearm very hard. Just standing and shooting a sidearm is not enough training unless your enemy will be in a wheelchair. On your back, on your belly, on your sides, on your knees. (Rolling a truck tire up an incline with your weak hand, while on your knees, and drawing/dry firing is a lot more realistic than paper targets at 7 yards.)

People move very fast in a close fight. Vitals are extremely difficult to target up close. A person not proficient in practice stress fire will likely not prevail in real stress.

Stress fire should be done with physical excertion. (After 100 heartbeats per minute, precision motor ability steadily decreases. One must be conditioned to stress effects to fire accurately when his/her own body is working against his/her effort.)

Physical stamina and agility are a must in a gunfight. That cop was exhausted. "Sweat in training so as not to bleed in battle!"

A cop should have a backup gun!!!

A magazine disconnect safety would have been a very good thing for that cop. He could've dropped the mag before getting the weapon stripped away. "If I can't use it, nobody will!"

Crpdeth · 11-13-2006, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by satellite66

Well I bow to your expertise. Are you trying to bait me with this?

Thank you and no, I never made you type a thing.

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If you want me to leave the forum just say so. I am not going to argue anymore with a monday morning quarterback.

I'd never ask you or anyone else to leave, heck I kinda like ya and enjoy following your writings. If you haven't noticed I've been very respectfull to you and have actually enjoied our debate, I got the sense that you did too...I certainly never expected to hear you talk of leaving.

Anyway I hate football.

Crpdeth

LurpyGeek · 11-13-2006, 04:31 PM

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Distance is key to survival...

Just what I was thinking, Delta. I was surprised that the cop didn't put a little distance or a vehicle between him and the perp. Not to say that he should have run away or anything, but that would have certainly made his firearm more useful. I was curious at the end why the officer didn't fire anymore after he had retrieved his weapon. I know it was jammed, but appeared that he had several seconds in which he could have cleared the weapon.

Easier said than done under the circumstances, I know. Just glad I wasn't in his shoes.

11-09-2006, 03:39 PM	#1
satellite66 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Central NJ Posts: 2,068	Cop attacked by heavyweight boxer This is some wild event. Thank God he lived to talk about it. Watch Video __________________ “Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not” — Thomas Jefferson. "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948 -->

11-09-2006, 11:16 PM	#2
southernshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Deep South Mississippi Posts: 5,943	Re: Cop attacked by heavyweight boxer Yea that was pretty crazy __________________ Only you can see this

11-10-2006, 06:10 AM	#3
Ursus Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: El Salvador, Central America. Posts: 1,030	Re: Cop attacked by heavyweight boxer Where was his back up gun? Is he from N.J. or Canada? A head shot woul'd had stopped him. __________________ SI VIS PACEM, PARABELLUM.

11-10-2006, 08:41 AM	#4
Pistolenschutze Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 13,094	Re: Cop attacked by heavyweight boxer An incident like this does point out just how underpowered a handgun actually is, and why shot placement in the heart-lung area is so important. A gut-shot perp may end up bleeding out eventually, but it may be too late for the officer. I'd be curious to know what the officer was using, a 9mm perhaps? __________________ --Pistolenschutze (Pistol Shooter)

11-10-2006, 03:20 PM	#5
Enzo_Guy V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Harwood, MD Posts: 160	Re: Cop attacked by heavyweight boxer I would've liked to have seen what a shot from the Taurus .410 revolver would've done to this man's chest, certainly more than that handgun the officer was using.

11-10-2006, 09:35 PM	#6
southernshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Deep South Mississippi Posts: 5,943	Re: Cop attacked by heavyweight boxer I think the officer would had been better off using a Taser __________________ Only you can see this

11-11-2006, 08:01 AM	#8
satellite66 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Central NJ Posts: 2,068	Re: Cop attacked by heavyweight boxer I could not tell from the video that he even had a taser. I have to believe that before he used deadly force he would have used it if he had one. I also am amazed that someone can tell the brand and expiration date of his pepper spray from the tape. __________________ “Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not” — Thomas Jefferson. "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

11-11-2006, 10:40 AM	#9
Pistolenschutze Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 13,094	Re: Cop attacked by heavyweight boxer Apparently he tried to use pepper spray at first, but it had little effect, Crp. Not too surprising really; that stuff is not as effective as most people think. I gather he did shoot the perp, but even that didn't seem to slow him down much. __________________ --Pistolenschutze (Pistol Shooter)

11-11-2006, 02:24 PM	#11
satellite66 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Central NJ Posts: 2,068	Re: Cop attacked by heavyweight boxer I don't think he had a taser and he did douse him with pepper spray. In many small towns across America there may only be a couple cops on duty. They might be covering a large area and have to do things alone. His backup could have been 10 minutes away? Maybe more. I thought the cop used lots of restraint. It was clear his life was in jeopardy from that guy. If that guy knocked him out and got his gun. He was lucky but so was the bad guy. __________________ “Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not” — Thomas Jefferson. "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

11-11-2006, 02:42 PM	#12
Crpdeth Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Location: Location Contributor Posts: 8,247	Re: Cop attacked by heavyweight boxer Small town AND ten minutes away? Cant have it both ways, I can go a long way in ten minutes just going the speed limit without overheads and a siren. Crpdeth __________________ Our greatest pretenses are built up not to hide the evil and the ugly in us, but our emptiness. The hardest thing to hide is something that is not there. ~Eric Hoffer

11-11-2006, 04:52 PM	#13
satellite66 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Central NJ Posts: 2,068	Re: Cop attacked by heavyweight boxer Well I bow to your expertise. Are you trying to bait me with this? If you want me to leave the forum just say so. I am not going to argue anymore with a monday morning quarterback. __________________ “Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not” — Thomas Jefferson. "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948 Last edited by satellite66; 11-11-2006 at 04:58 PM..

11-11-2006, 06:12 PM	#14
Bruce FLinch Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bay Point, Kali..aka Gun Point Posts: 5,016	Re: Cop attacked by heavyweight boxer The cop did show amazing restraint, maybe because he realized he was under powered? He did not have a baton, but that may not have been effective without a well placed hit. The perp was a big guy. I was scared for the cop, just watching it. Both men were lucky. __________________ A bad day @ the Range, is better than a good day @ work.

11-12-2006, 09:41 AM	#15
delta13soultaker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Depends on Uncle Sam's whim every 3 yrs. Posts: 2,948	Re: Cop attacked by heavyweight boxer Lessons that are evident: Agitated people can fight through OC spray. Even the extremely high and sometimes illegal concentrated stuff can be overcome. (This is a fact I learned in bodyguard training. All of us had to fight 15 minutes with OC on the eyelids. Our class was very diverse and all were able to function enough to qualify a passing score.) Distance is key to survival. Had the bad guy had a knife or heavy blunt weapon the cop would be dead...because he maintained no standoff. Absence of distance makes employing a sidearm very hard. Just standing and shooting a sidearm is not enough training unless your enemy will be in a wheelchair. On your back, on your belly, on your sides, on your knees. (Rolling a truck tire up an incline with your weak hand, while on your knees, and drawing/dry firing is a lot more realistic than paper targets at 7 yards.) People move very fast in a close fight. Vitals are extremely difficult to target up close. A person not proficient in practice stress fire will likely not prevail in real stress. Stress fire should be done with physical excertion. (After 100 heartbeats per minute, precision motor ability steadily decreases. One must be conditioned to stress effects to fire accurately when his/her own body is working against his/her effort.) Physical stamina and agility are a must in a gunfight. That cop was exhausted. "Sweat in training so as not to bleed in battle!" A cop should have a backup gun!!! A magazine disconnect safety would have been a very good thing for that cop. He could've dropped the mag before getting the weapon stripped away. "If I can't use it, nobody will!" __________________ Never say die! "A nation who forgets its defenders is soon forgotten itself." "A good shot must necessarily be a good man since the essence of good marksmanship is self-control and self-control is the essential quality of a good man." – Theodore Roosevelt