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stash247 · 09-14-2006, 08:28 PM

LD Bennett: I apologise for the delay (since May) of my reply; Skydiver386 posted a reply to this thread, a good one, which sparked my memory.
You are absolutely right, in your post, that 'crisp, clean, below 5#, minimal overtravel" will more than please most shooters.
While largely academic, the fact remains that there is a finite limit, for each and every 'sliding' component, and the force required, to overcome their friction; add components, and you add friction (Weight of pull).
I have done 1911's that would lift 2#, but not 2#, 2 Oz, yet, never doubled, or 'followed down'
My best Browning was a bit over 3#, 8oz, and required a lot more work, to get there, obviously, without a mag disconnect, but just as obviously, a lot of hours.
The Colt pattern pistols, at around 4#, are in the area of "very experienced shooters", IMHO; below that level, I will only work the pistol if I personally know the shooter, and LIKE him/her, as the gun is a tremendous liability exposure, for me, otherwise.
Skydiver386, welcome: your post prompted the above overdue, and apologised for, response.
I totally agree with you, on these terms; that the pistol is for "Tactical/Practical" use, and, that "Inherent Accuracy" is not an issue.
My first CZ75 was a smuggled gun, since we could not buy Czech products, then, but, Canada did. In a 'rattle can', black finish, it shot well, for a martial arm, and functioned flawlessly!
Jeff Cooper jumped on the bandwagon, and shortly, the short lived "Bren Ten" erupted, then died. Same design, bigger bullet, no issues, but, priced out of the market.
Sky, this was the P-35 Browning, brought to the 21st Century, but early!
A fine, but unaffordable arm, for me, today.
If my life depended on it, my vote goes to the Browning; otherwise, with room to wiggle, I like the CZ, a lot; all to the double action, first shot!

oldgunfan · 09-16-2006, 10:36 PM

I have 3 HI-powers Belgium one's though(made in the 60's)sweeeet. so unless you what to pay 1000bucks I would have to say geeerrrr i hate ugly guns but it's hard to beat a Glock, But the funnest and the best 9mm i ever shot was a Springfield Armory 1911 target 9mm.

Panthera Tigris · 09-17-2006, 06:38 PM

Sorry, but I've owned dozens and dozens of 9mms, and by excluding Glock, you're eliminating the best one of the bunch.

Fo overall reliability and the best fitting handgun for me personally the Glock 19 is the best. I've owned Hi Powers, Sigs, CZs, Colts, S&Ws, Springfield XDs, Glocks, HKs, Tauruses.

My favorites in this order:

Glock 19
Glock 26
HK USP
HK USP Compact
Taurus 24/7
Springfield XD
Beretta 92FS

southernshooter · 09-17-2006, 10:29 PM

Welcome Panthera

Panthera Tigris · 09-21-2006, 12:52 AM

Thanks.

RimfireRat · 09-26-2006, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderstruck507

Kinda interested in some options for a new 9mm

NO GLOCK ALLOWED. I don't care for the look, feel, or mechanics of them.

Any ideas for me to look at?

For carry it's hard to beat the CZ75 PCR, if you want something a little larger the Sig.226 fills the bill.Got both and wouldn't part with either. The S&W 3913 was a good suggestion for carry also.i had on for yrs ,My Brother talked me into selling it to him. Thats where the CZ came into my life. the CZ has more weight and make it easier to shoot accurately. At least for me.--Jim--

Enzo_Guy · 09-29-2006, 04:00 PM

For small/affordable 9mm handguns I suggest looking into a Beretta 9000S or Smith & Wesson Model 908

Vermonter · 09-30-2006, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LDBennett

I particularly like the CZ75B series of guns. I think you get the most gun for the least money with CZ's. All metal is forever or almost. Plastic anything has a limited life especially under the duress that the firing of ammunition imparts to any gun. I think the ergonomics of the CZ to be perfect for me (relatively small hands). Anyone wanting a 9mm pistol should be looking at CZ's!

LDBennett

I actually did a search on this forum section for CZ to see if anyone had any comments about the 75B. Just saw one for the first time at a gun shop this morning and wow was I impressed with it. This particular one was chambered in 9mm, but it's also available in 40 caliber. I'm glad to see that it's gotten some attention and a thumbs up from you LD. I kinda expected it would be a sleeper. Now I just have to decide which caliber. I concur about polymer guns. Glock is perfection, sure, but for true shooting pleasure you can't beat real metal, IMHO of course.

VegasTech702 · 09-30-2006, 02:12 PM

The kel-tec 9mm has a trigger from hell. Not the PF series the old ones. I like my Beretta 92FS

LDBennett · 10-01-2006, 06:15 AM

Vermonter:

If you get a CZ75B do not forget to pick up the CZ Kadet 22LR conversion kit. It is the complete slide for 22LR. The sights and barrel are fixed to the frame and only the bolt moves to load ammo. This is the design feature that makes for the best accuracy, which the Kadet has in spades, and is included in such remarkable guns like the Ruger, the S&W Model 41, the Hi Standards, the Browning Challengers and Buckmarks. Having the barrel and sights fixed to the frame means they are not upset with every shot and do not have to reseat with every shot. Mine shoots right in there with my other target guns and is certainly more than just a plinker.

CZ's forever! Even their motorcycles! (actually another company but Czech none the less, as I am or at least partly--half).

LDBennett

Vermonter · 10-01-2006, 07:39 AM

Thanks for the tip LD. I'm definitely leaning towards picking up one of these pistols. I don't think you can match them for the price, compared with say, a Beretta. Nothing wrong with Beretta, but the CZ can be had for much much less.

strayshot · 10-08-2006, 05:58 PM

A small to medium framed 9mm that's good for CCW or nightstand would be a SIG P239..not my favorite target gun..grips a little small. A first class pistol however.

stash247 · 10-09-2006, 10:42 PM

LD, I remember Jawa, I even rode them!!!
And, good for you, In reccomending the CZ 75B with the Kadett conversion; on this topic, we are eye to eye.
For the younger of you out there, the CZ-75 was the Czech sponsor of the late Dornhouse and Dixon "Bren Ten", a pet project of the late and revered, USMC Col Jeff Cooper!
The Czech pistol took the gripframe of the Browning P-35, added a DA-SA Trigger, and eliminated the Mag Safety.
D&D took it to the next level, as a serious 10MM pistol, and a good one, but could not find a market for this recoil level pistol, but then, neither could the FBI
The CZ-75 is a superb platform, and the Kadett slide only makes it more complete.
LD has made a good and valid point or two here; I support his thinking, entirely!

Eastwood · 10-11-2006, 05:39 PM

I have a Beretta 92fs I think its great. Take a look at Browning pro 9 shot the pro 40 and liked it very much.

Pat Hurley · 10-11-2006, 07:21 PM

SUGGESTIONS...

Small money: Kahr, Taurus (24/7 or Millenium Pro), S&W SW99
Big money: H&K
For no amount of money: Glock

Laserlips · 11-08-2006, 04:36 PM

Since my initial post I have managed to spend my saved up KelTec PF-9 monies (and then some) for a new Walther P99c/AC..

It's a fantastic pistol. The photo above was taken of results of the first mag. of wwwb cheap 9mm ammo fired. (from 5', standing two handed..)

I am amazed at the qualities of the little Walther. I feel almost guilty being so happy with it since my all time previous favorite the Sig P239 came into the house more than a decade ago.

The AS trigger action is unbelievably smooth and light. I love the ambi mag release, free dropping mags, decocker, etc.. Adjustable sights and dead on accurate right out of the box.

I know the accuracy shown isn't very impressive for most folks, but I'm a senior citizen, declining vision, shaky hands. and I ALWAYS practice at Y.O.F. (Ye Olde Fart) self defense distance, 5-7'..

This Walther P99c/AS is capable of serious self defense accuracy that I am simply not able to take advantage of..

The P99c/AS reminds me of the Glock 26 I had years ago, but on steriods, with all the little things I didn't like about the Glock corrected...

JMOFO

Best Wishes,

J. Pomeroy

shooter · 11-12-2006, 06:54 PM

i think when i buy a 9mm..its going to be a CZ 75 P-01 compact..i like the size..i have medium sized hands..it holds 14rnd give or take..reliable etc

shooter · 11-24-2006, 01:11 PM

any love for the Baby Eagles?

ironsight65 · 11-24-2006, 04:11 PM

I have always wanted to get a Baby Eagle but never got around to it.
Do you have one and if so, how do you like it?

blackhawkkid308 · 11-24-2006, 08:29 PM

it's not a double action but it sure is fun.
bhk308
and it's 9mm

blackhawkkid308 · 12-02-2006, 04:21 AM

springfield and kimber offers a 1911 in 9mm. ihad the kimber and got really dumb one day and sold it. i now have a springfield. it is in the post above.
bhk308

asp762 · 12-03-2006, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderstruck507

yeah i know, i was just hoping for some ideas on things to look for

So your looking for a carry piece. Try the Kahr series in 9mm, or if you want all the safeties and such get yourself a S&W 3913(used) or the TSW series.
All three are great shooters, reliable, and very compact. It does'nt always have to be a "Block". Or any of the other "Tupperware classics" out there.

indynotch50 · 12-03-2006, 10:37 PM

I have a really cheap 9 but the price was right (free). So I too am in the hunt for one. For reference it's a helwan, beretta knock off basically.

Anyways, I have a ruger P-90 .45 and absolutely love it. I love everything about it from the way it shoots, feel, accuracy, and safety features.

I am on a decently tight budget, so an H&K USP is rather out of the question. A friend of mine recently got a S&W that accepts the high cap mag, is compact, and looks like a XD. Not sure the model.
What about the beretta M9? Isn't this military issued?

Sorry if some of these questions are basic or way off, just haven't had a chance to do too much research on it yet.

Thanks all, good day!

09-14-2006, 08:28 PM	#51
stash247 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central Texas Posts: 2,815	Re: Good 9mm LD Bennett: I apologise for the delay (since May) of my reply; Skydiver386 posted a reply to this thread, a good one, which sparked my memory. You are absolutely right, in your post, that 'crisp, clean, below 5#, minimal overtravel" will more than please most shooters. While largely academic, the fact remains that there is a finite limit, for each and every 'sliding' component, and the force required, to overcome their friction; add components, and you add friction (Weight of pull). I have done 1911's that would lift 2#, but not 2#, 2 Oz, yet, never doubled, or 'followed down' My best Browning was a bit over 3#, 8oz, and required a lot more work, to get there, obviously, without a mag disconnect, but just as obviously, a lot of hours. The Colt pattern pistols, at around 4#, are in the area of "very experienced shooters", IMHO; below that level, I will only work the pistol if I personally know the shooter, and LIKE him/her, as the gun is a tremendous liability exposure, for me, otherwise. Skydiver386, welcome: your post prompted the above overdue, and apologised for, response. I totally agree with you, on these terms; that the pistol is for "Tactical/Practical" use, and, that "Inherent Accuracy" is not an issue. My first CZ75 was a smuggled gun, since we could not buy Czech products, then, but, Canada did. In a 'rattle can', black finish, it shot well, for a martial arm, and functioned flawlessly! Jeff Cooper jumped on the bandwagon, and shortly, the short lived "Bren Ten" erupted, then died. Same design, bigger bullet, no issues, but, priced out of the market. Sky, this was the P-35 Browning, brought to the 21st Century, but early! A fine, but unaffordable arm, for me, today. If my life depended on it, my vote goes to the Browning; otherwise, with room to wiggle, I like the CZ, a lot; all to the double action, first shot! __________________ Don't start no s**t and there won't be none, Terry

09-16-2006, 10:36 PM	#52
oldgunfan V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Contributor Posts: 137	Re: Good 9mm I have 3 HI-powers Belgium one's though(made in the 60's)sweeeet. so unless you what to pay 1000bucks I would have to say geeerrrr i hate ugly guns but it's hard to beat a Glock, But the funnest and the best 9mm i ever shot was a Springfield Armory 1911 target 9mm.

09-17-2006, 06:38 PM	#53
Panthera Tigris Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 5	Re: Good 9mm Sorry, but I've owned dozens and dozens of 9mms, and by excluding Glock, you're eliminating the best one of the bunch. Fo overall reliability and the best fitting handgun for me personally the Glock 19 is the best. I've owned Hi Powers, Sigs, CZs, Colts, S&Ws, Springfield XDs, Glocks, HKs, Tauruses. My favorites in this order: Glock 19 Glock 26 HK USP HK USP Compact Taurus 24/7 Springfield XD Beretta 92FS Last edited by Panthera Tigris; 10-19-2006 at 01:30 AM..

09-17-2006, 10:29 PM	#54
southernshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Deep South Mississippi Posts: 5,943	Re: Good 9mm Welcome Panthera __________________ Only you can see this

09-21-2006, 12:52 AM	#55
Panthera Tigris Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 5	Re: Good 9mm Thanks. Last edited by Panthera Tigris; 10-19-2006 at 01:29 AM..

09-29-2006, 04:00 PM	#57
Enzo_Guy V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Harwood, MD Posts: 160	Re: Good 9mm For small/affordable 9mm handguns I suggest looking into a Beretta 9000S or Smith & Wesson Model 908

09-30-2006, 02:12 PM	#59
VegasTech702 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 360	Re: Good 9mm The kel-tec 9mm has a trigger from hell. Not the PF series the old ones. I like my Beretta 92FS

10-01-2006, 06:15 AM	#60
LDBennett Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hesperia, CA Posts: 5,710	Re: Good 9mm Vermonter: If you get a CZ75B do not forget to pick up the CZ Kadet 22LR conversion kit. It is the complete slide for 22LR. The sights and barrel are fixed to the frame and only the bolt moves to load ammo. This is the design feature that makes for the best accuracy, which the Kadet has in spades, and is included in such remarkable guns like the Ruger, the S&W Model 41, the Hi Standards, the Browning Challengers and Buckmarks. Having the barrel and sights fixed to the frame means they are not upset with every shot and do not have to reseat with every shot. Mine shoots right in there with my other target guns and is certainly more than just a plinker. CZ's forever! Even their motorcycles! (actually another company but Czech none the less, as I am or at least partly--half). LDBennett

10-01-2006, 07:39 AM	#61
Vermonter V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 57	Re: Good 9mm Thanks for the tip LD. I'm definitely leaning towards picking up one of these pistols. I don't think you can match them for the price, compared with say, a Beretta. Nothing wrong with Beretta, but the CZ can be had for much much less.

10-08-2006, 05:58 PM	#62
strayshot V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: upper midwest Posts: 359	Re: Good 9mm A small to medium framed 9mm that's good for CCW or nightstand would be a SIG P239..not my favorite target gun..grips a little small. A first class pistol however.

10-09-2006, 10:42 PM	#63
stash247 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central Texas Posts: 2,815	Re: Good 9mm LD, I remember Jawa, I even rode them!!! And, good for you, In reccomending the CZ 75B with the Kadett conversion; on this topic, we are eye to eye. For the younger of you out there, the CZ-75 was the Czech sponsor of the late Dornhouse and Dixon "Bren Ten", a pet project of the late and revered, USMC Col Jeff Cooper! The Czech pistol took the gripframe of the Browning P-35, added a DA-SA Trigger, and eliminated the Mag Safety. D&D took it to the next level, as a serious 10MM pistol, and a good one, but could not find a market for this recoil level pistol, but then, neither could the FBI The CZ-75 is a superb platform, and the Kadett slide only makes it more complete. LD has made a good and valid point or two here; I support his thinking, entirely! __________________ Don't start no s*t and there won't be none, Terry Last edited by stash247; 10-09-2006 at 10:44 PM..*

10-11-2006, 05:39 PM	#64
Eastwood Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 10	Re: Good 9mm I have a Beretta 92fs I think its great. Take a look at Browning pro 9 shot the pro 40 and liked it very much.

10-11-2006, 07:21 PM	#65
Pat Hurley Former Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 987	Re: Good 9mm SUGGESTIONS... Small money: Kahr, Taurus (24/7 or Millenium Pro), S&W SW99 Big money: H&K For no amount of money: Glock

11-08-2006, 04:36 PM	#66
Laserlips V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 72	Re: Good 9mm Since my initial post I have managed to spend my saved up KelTec PF-9 monies (and then some) for a new Walther P99c/AC.. It's a fantastic pistol. The photo above was taken of results of the first mag. of wwwb cheap 9mm ammo fired. (from 5', standing two handed..) I am amazed at the qualities of the little Walther. I feel almost guilty being so happy with it since my all time previous favorite the Sig P239 came into the house more than a decade ago. The AS trigger action is unbelievably smooth and light. I love the ambi mag release, free dropping mags, decocker, etc.. Adjustable sights and dead on accurate right out of the box. I know the accuracy shown isn't very impressive for most folks, but I'm a senior citizen, declining vision, shaky hands. and I ALWAYS practice at Y.O.F. (Ye Olde Fart) self defense distance, 5-7'.. This Walther P99c/AS is capable of serious self defense accuracy that I am simply not able to take advantage of.. The P99c/AS reminds me of the Glock 26 I had years ago, but on steriods, with all the little things I didn't like about the Glock corrected... JMOFO Best Wishes, J. Pomeroy __________________ "Laus Deo"

11-12-2006, 06:54 PM	#67
shooter V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NC Posts: 79	Re: Good 9mm i think when i buy a 9mm..its going to be a CZ 75 P-01 compact..i like the size..i have medium sized hands..it holds 14rnd give or take..reliable etc

11-24-2006, 01:11 PM	#68
shooter V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NC Posts: 79	Re: Good 9mm any love for the Baby Eagles?

11-24-2006, 04:11 PM	#69
ironsight65 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 458	Re: Good 9mm I have always wanted to get a Baby Eagle but never got around to it. Do you have one and if so, how do you like it?

11-24-2006, 08:29 PM	#70
blackhawkkid308 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: pensacola florida Posts: 871	Re: Good 9mm it's not a double action but it sure is fun. bhk308 and it's 9mm __________________ 9-11-01 lest we forget AMEN

12-02-2006, 04:21 AM	#71
blackhawkkid308 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: pensacola florida Posts: 871	Re: Good 9mm springfield and kimber offers a 1911 in 9mm. ihad the kimber and got really dumb one day and sold it. i now have a springfield. it is in the post above. bhk308 __________________ 9-11-01 lest we forget AMEN Last edited by blackhawkkid308; 12-02-2006 at 04:22 AM..

12-03-2006, 10:37 PM	#73
indynotch50 Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 37	Re: Good 9mm I have a really cheap 9 but the price was right (free). So I too am in the hunt for one. For reference it's a helwan, beretta knock off basically. Anyways, I have a ruger P-90 .45 and absolutely love it. I love everything about it from the way it shoots, feel, accuracy, and safety features. I am on a decently tight budget, so an H&K USP is rather out of the question. A friend of mine recently got a S&W that accepts the high cap mag, is compact, and looks like a XD. Not sure the model. What about the beretta M9? Isn't this military issued? Sorry if some of these questions are basic or way off, just haven't had a chance to do too much research on it yet. Thanks all, good day!