Bucks Knives ... too!

[williamd]

Lost my Buck Stockman so picked up a new one. Very disappointed to see CHINA on the blade. I'd pay more if it said Made in USA like my old one!! I know a lot of overseas, i.e., foreign, (or 'offshore' as the businesses like to call it) made products are just fine, but ...............

[Craig]

Buy CUTCO ...... Made in Pa.
You won't find a better knife.

[johnston3407]

That made me go look at my Buck knife and I rememberd that it's a Schrade. It's made in the good ole U.S of A., but I wonder if they still are today? I've had it over 30 years.

[Marlin T]

Yep, we need more unions in America to drive off even more jobs.

[catfish83861]

Now Now Marlin, in 1930 the unions were a great thing. Now of course that was before 24/7 advertisements that say, "One call does it all." or one of the other shyster lawyers just drooling at the aspect of suing a company for what ever reason. Say their coffee scalded the hair off WHAT. Anyway you get my drift. I am really sorry to hear that Buck knives have "made in China" stamped on them . We have a Buck knife factory here in Idaho . I don't know if they allow walk in customers but think I will check it out. catfish

[pickenup]

Originally Posted by catfish83861

I don't know if they allow walk in customers but think I will check it out. catfish

If you visit the factory, expect to pay MSRP. Factories "usually" don't deal.
If you can find a distributor close, they may save you some $$$.

[johnston3407]

Unions, Don't get me started!

[Light Coat]

Last itme I checked Case was still USA. They are not near the quality of a W.R. Case & Sons; but they are all right. Winchester has been a bit flaky I've seen their Chinese line. Remington hasn't obviously done it yet. Your best chance of buying a Chinese item is to shop at Wal-mart; they buy the lowest grade of everything to sell to us.

[catfish83861]

Originally Posted by pickenup

If you visit the factory, expect to pay MSRP. Factories "usually" don't deal.
If you can find a distributor close, they may save you some $$$.

pickinup, I was just thinking if I went there I could look at most of their line in one spot . I am a died in the wool scrade fan . catfish

[hoser1]

I carried a Buck Folding Hunter every day for 20 years and dropped it in the damn river one night and damn near dove in after it. I broke the tip off the blade once and sent it back to buck and told them in my letter that it was my fault and to charge me whatever they wanted, just replace the blade. they fixed it, polished it up and sent it back with a brand new sheath and a nice letter appologising that it brike! A friend broke his and sent it back
bitching about it breaking. they fixed it and sent it back. ha.
Another buddy carried his thru Viet Nam and sent it to Buck for repair with a letter saying he carried it thru Viet Nam and to not lose it.
They sent him a new one. He was PISSED!!
I've got a million knives but the one I carry every day is a Buck folding hunter with the gold coating on the blade and the chisel edge. what's that coating?
nitride?

[williamd]

Marlin T --- Right on!!

I have a couple hundred knives. Many are German. Most are US. I have Schrades, Cases, Bucks, etc. When I buy a 'US' knife I want a US knife. Before the move out of CA, Buck used to be in El Cajon near where I live in SoCal. They prided themselves with US made. Like the great Moore knives made in Matador, TX! Will check out CUTCO.

[Lead Lobber]

Check the "U.S.A." stamp on products - I heard a long time back about a city called Usa, on the southern coast of Shikoku, one of the islands in the Japenese archipelago. Products there were labled "Made in USA", without the periods. Don't know if the clever Japenese still do that, though. Do know I still can't find a manual can opener to my liking. Craftmanship has declined in our culture, sadly.

LL

[Light Coat]

Try a Swing-a-way can opener they are pretty good.; I stole err,, borrowed mine off of an MKT in Germany.

[Bill DeShivs]

Schrade, Winchester, Remington are all made in China now. Some Bucks and even Benchmades are made there. Even illegal clones of my designs are made there. Camillus has now closed. The only major US makers left are Case and Queen (Schatt & Morgan.) Bear MGC might as well be Chinese, but they aren't.
The Chinese and Taiwanese can actually make decent knives, but most of the cutlery from over there is absolute crap- just like the Japanese knives of the 1950s-early 1960s.
Bill DeShivs

[dcd_enterprises]

Several Listings, many US, N.I.B., Buck Stockman.
These are my pocket knifes of choice.
Old Timer (Schrade) 70T
Old Timer (Schrade) 470T

[Pabooger]

I work at Cutco, and we are one of the few American made knife companies left!! We stay in business because we make a quality product!!!

Oh and by the way we are Union!!! And Damm proud of it!!! The company and the Union work very well together to help keep costs down and to compete. We still do not have to pay a single penny for our health insurance, how many can say that!!

The reason most cutlerys in the United States have closed has nothing to do with the unions, most were non union.

They simply can not compete with the low cost knives made over seas!

They reason they are low cost is because most of their workers work for peanuts, or are basically slave labor to the owners!! You can thank Clinton and the rest of the Democrats for selling this country out to foreign competition.

So easy to use the Unions as scapegoats, what a crock!!!

Oh and by the way Schrade is gone now as well!!!

[JohnK3]

Pa, the fact of the matter is that most unions weren't as smart as your union. There have been a LOT of unions that were run by greedy union MANAGEMENT who acted in THEIR own best interests and not the best interests of the rank and file. It takes a rare breed of union LEADERSHIP to work with a corporation to make sure that both the employees and the employers work out their differences while keeping costs low. Just like it also takes a rare breed of corporate LEADERSHIP to do so.

[BM_INC]

Originally Posted by JohnK3

Pa, the fact of the matter is that most unions weren't as smart as your union. There have been a LOT of unions that were run by greedy union MANAGEMENT who acted in THEIR own best interests and not the best interests of the rank and file. It takes a rare breed of union LEADERSHIP to work with a corporation to make sure that both the employees and the employers work out their differences while keeping costs low. Just like it also takes a rare breed of corporate LEADERSHIP to do so.

I totally agree with JohnK3, it's called TEAM-WORK!

No offense (I'm new ok, but what the hay!)

Pa-Booger: You can thank Clinton and the rest of the Democrats for selling this country out to foreign competition.

I'm not taking a side here, I vote for the PERSON, I feel best qualified for the job.

But if my memory serves me right, (my MAN) President Ronald Reagan (God rest his sole) BROKE the Air-Traffic Controllers Union, which was just the beginning... am I correct or am I ocompletely off-base?

[dcd_enterprises]

Originally Posted by JohnK3

Pa, the fact of the matter is that most unions weren't as smart as your union. There have been a LOT of unions that were run by greedy union MANAGEMENT who acted in THEIR own best interests and not the best interests of the rank and file. It takes a rare breed of union LEADERSHIP to work with a corporation to make sure that both the employees and the employers work out their differences while keeping costs low. Just like it also takes a rare breed of corporate LEADERSHIP to do so.

Agreed John.

The greedy unions Lost this area (Eastern Iowa, NW Illinois) Farmall, Case, Caterpillar, etc. Hundreds of good paying jobs are gone, never to be recovered to this area due to the fact that the Union

1.) Saw the company making a profit.
2.) Decided that if the company was making a profit, they weren't getting paid enough.
3.) Shot themselves in the foot, and came to work to find locked gates.

They are just now finishing tearing down the Farmall Tractor plant, Rock Island, IL, which survived A World War, A Depression, another World War, a farm crisis, but couldn't survive the Union. The part of the plant that is still standing is being used to store John Deere Planters and Combine Heads.
Disgraceful to go in the plant that produced Farmall Equipment for 100 years, to see the Farmall murals painted on the walls, and Green equipment stored as far as the eye can see.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think every union is evil, bad, greedy, or corrupt, but they lose sight of the fact that the company that they are providing labor for is in business to make MONEY, not tractors, trains, busses, widgets, sprockets, or what ever their product is. Just because the company turns a profit, doesn't mean the union is entitled to it. I believe that a company must treat their employees morally and respectfully, but if someone I work for doesn't, I have the freedom to take a walk. I don't need to cry to a union. I earn advancement based upon my merits, not my seniority. The union that can recognize and appreciate the needs of the company as well as their employees is a rare thing, and PaBooger, it sounds as though you have that, and lucky you. There aren't many left.

These companies are getting tired of demanding, whining, entitlement mentality, lazy, ungrateful employees, and that is why they're moving across the border or overseas. I wish this country still had the work ethic it had 50 years ago.

::::Getting down off my Soapbox::::

[delta13soultaker]

I feel like the whole country has sold itself out.

Ya can't even go to a fight anymore without girl holding up the number each round having a "dot-com" airbrushed on her chest.

People don't care what they're selling you anymore...it's just all about seperating you from your money. They've made a science of making us pay more for less.

[williamd]

Originally Posted by Marlin T

Yep, we need more unions in America to drive off even more jobs.

AMEN! We have screwed ourselves.

[Terry_P]

My last knife purchase was a Kershaw Leek 1660 that has printed "Made in USA" on the blade and the last two before that were made by Jack Sarnik in Riviera, TX. I know they are made in the USA because I watched him make them from scratch out of flat bar stock. Before Jack made me a hunting knife I used a Buck Vanguard for a lot of years, and it gutted out many deer and a few Caribou.

[kingcuke]

The vehement anti-union stuff one sees and hears everywhere is pretty surprising in that only about 12% of the work force is unionized and of that 12% something like 8% is public employees.
The same greedy corrupt type-a personalities that ruined unions are the same ones that have ruined most big corporations.
Union labor was never as costly as the detractors would have one believe, and did end things like child labor and start things like weekends off, safety, health insurance and a rise of the middle class.
The fact of the matter today is the American worker is not important to the global economy and multi-national corporations owe no loyalty to any country.

"It is pretty obvious that the debasement of the human mind caused by a constant flow of fraudulent advertising is no trivial thing. There is more than one way to conquer a country."
Raymond Chandler

That said I still see a few made in USA Bucks at the local Farm & Fleet maybe I should of bought that on sale one.

[Big ugly]

I have supported the unions several times right her on this forum and I will til the day they plant my sorry carcass. It wasnt the Unions that broke the American workforce it was the corporate (PG13)'s. That beeing said there is no doubt in my mind that there have been some currupt members of some of the Unions but for the most part what they done and what they stood for up until Reagan the Unions was a good thing. In the 80's the Union Jobs was the ones to have. But we started to see a loss of popularity in the mid to late 80's. What killed the US work force was NAFTA and that sewage Clinton shoved down our throat and along came Baby Bush to seal the deal.

[carver]

Originally Posted by Big ugly

I have supported the unions several times right her on this forum and I will til the day they plant my sorry carcass. It wasnt the Unions that broke the American workforce it was the corporate (PG13)'s. That beeing said there is no doubt in my mind that there have been some currupt members of some of the Unions but for the most part what they done and what they stood for up until Reagan the Unions was a good thing. In the 80's the Union Jobs was the ones to have. But we started to see a loss of popularity in the mid to late 80's. What killed the US work force was NAFTA and that sewage Clinton shoved down our throat and along came Baby Bush to seal the deal.

Big ugly, you are mostly right, IMHO. I have belonged to many Unions over the years, and have been steward, and chief steward for some of them. But while I was a member of the IBEW at AT&T I was laughed out of a meeting hall one night for suggesting that we take a cut in pay to keep our jobs. You see the Union wanted more pay for it's members, even though the Company had already told us that they were thinking of moving to Thailand, or Singapore. The Union stuck to it's guns, and demanded more hourly pay. AT&T closed the doors to the Shreveport plant, and the plant in Ind. Over 10,000 jobs were lost in short order. I know about the history of AT&T and our Government, and I know that this did not help us any, but the Union is what drove AT&T from America. Realizing that they could make a lot of money by moving over seas, and could avoid the U.S. Government's involvement, and get away form the Unions.