True costs of illegal aliens - The Firearms Forum

satellite66 · 04-11-2007, 03:48 PM

INVASION USA
$2.2 trillion illegal alien taxpayer sticker shock
2/3 of immigrants cost Americans $22,449 a year, shows new study
Posted: April 11, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

WASHINGTON – Someone has finally fixed an approximate taxpayer cost of between 12 million and 15 million illegal aliens residing in the U.S.

A new study by the Heritage Foundation's Robert Rector found a household headed by an individual without a high school education, including about two-thirds of illegal aliens, costs U.S. taxpayers more than $32,000 in federal, state and local benefits. That same family contributes an average of $9,000 a year in taxes, resulting in a net tax burden of $22,449 each year.

Over the course of the household's lifetime that tax burden translates to $1.1 million.

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If the lower figure of 12 million illegal aliens is used for estimation purposes, the total tax burden translates to $2.2 trillion.

"Would any of us buy shares in a company that we knew would produce a loss of a million dollars a share," asks Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, in response to the study. "Cheap labor is not cheap at the cost of over a million dollars per head of household."

Rector's study, "The Fiscal Cost of Low-Skill Households to the U.S. Taxpayer," examines the economics of the 17.7 million American households made up of people without a high-school degree. Using numbers from the Census Bureau, the Congressional Research Service, the Bureau of Labor Standards and other government agencies, Rector determined what they earn, what they spend and what they receive in government services.

About half of the 17.7 million households studied are illegal aliens. About two-thirds of illegal alien households are headed by someone without a high school degree. Only 10 percent of native-born Americans fit into that category.

"Over the next ten years the total cost of low-skill households to the taxpayer (immediate benefits minus taxes paid) is likely to be at least $3.9 trillion," Rector writes. "This number would go up significantly if changes in immigration policy lead to substantial increases in the number of low-skill immigrants entering the country and receiving services."

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Lead Lobber · 04-11-2007, 09:26 PM

Given this, and our colossal debt to China, this nation is headed toward bankruptcy; speeding down a hill that gets increasingly steeper, increasing ever faster as we ignore the problem. Whom shoulders the debt? Why you and I, as government increases taxes, spending even more, reaching ever deeper into our pockets to fund private pork barrels. Insist on the line item veto and term limits - vote down any that vote against these.

Wake up, America! Fire those freeloaders in Washington! Or learn one of the many Chinese dialects. Divorce the Bush clan from the Saudis; their romantic relationship is disgusting. Suspend the right of big oil, automakers, pharmacuetical companies, insurance companies, et cetera to lobby lawmakers. Insist that lawmakers work at least 40 hours per week - year around, with reasonable benefits. Not Tuesday through Thursday!

Get angry, #$% *&^% *#!

LL

satellite66 · 04-12-2007, 05:05 AM

LL you forgot to mention divorce the democrats from big unions and trial lawyers.

Bruce FLinch · 04-12-2007, 08:10 AM

Thanks, Mike. Been awake for an hour & hadn't gotton ticked off yet!

clmanges · 04-12-2007, 09:29 PM

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Suspend the right of big oil, automakers, pharmacuetical companies, insurance companies, et cetera to lobby lawmakers.

THANK YOU, LL! I've been saying this for years!

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Insist that lawmakers work at least 40 hours per week - year around, with reasonable benefits. Not Tuesday through Thursday!

And again, thank you. How many people in the private sector would keep their jobs working the hours that our EMPLOYEES -- the senators and congressmen -- keep?
These two measures put together would take care of a lot!

RahiemPT100 · 04-13-2007, 09:28 AM

We have a big problem here in the states that is for sure. However, anyone have the feeling that there really isn't much that can stop the flow? I mean we could spend lots of dough trying to "barricade" the boarders, and pay lots of guards to patrol the boarder, but then wouldn't we be just like the "villian" Ronald Regan mandated "Tear Down This Wall" (Mr. Gorbechev)?

Side note; Anybody seen the movie "A day without a Mexican"? I know that in the industry I work in white people just don't last. They don't have the work ethic, nor are they of a mindset that puts work before their fun (all of the white kids I have hired quit, didn't show up, or had lame excuses for why they couldn't make their shift). Taxes MUST BE PAID (big picture), but (small picture) I can't get naturally born citizens to work for the rate I need, nor can I afford to pay more, and if their ss#'s check out, and their i.d. (INS#'s) check out, there is nothing I can do, nor will do (EEO)!
Si tu no puedes lees este informacion, probable tu no sabes o no puedes hables espanol. Cuando trabajes en un trabajo por mas de ocho anos, y cuando practicas espanol que tu tenia de ustudias, tu intiendas que yo escrito.

Bruce FLinch · 04-14-2007, 12:36 AM

I got no beefs w/ a company that hires legal immigrants, or people w/ work visa, etc. A MAJOR part of the problem is the stinkin' Co's. that hire illegal's to begin with.

RahiemPT100 · 04-17-2007, 09:21 PM

Bruce,
While I agree with that statement in a general fashion, I feel that the immigrations laws are to blame as well. I know if I had the decision to stay in a country where I couldn't support my family, or migrate illegally to a country that would pay me much more, end of decision I would be packing my bags. I think this issue is far more complex than most people see. You need to scratch the surface before you can make any determinations.
The state of Wisconsin was the first state to do away with welfare, they started a program that trained welfare reciepients a vocation and then did away with the free handouts for having kids. Why can't other states follow their lead? I can tell you this, California would have a lot less problems with paying for "illegals" kid if this were the case.

One mans opinion from the "front" if you will.

Bruce FLinch · 04-17-2007, 09:47 PM

Some good points Raheim. The Immigration laws do need some serious revamping.
I believe Tommy Thompson of Wisconsin is a Republican, & he did a heck of a job there as you cited.
California is so dang Liberal, They want everyone with any money to bail out & support all the bums & illegals.

The Conservatives haven't enough support to get something accomplished. It's disgusting.

Common Sense has abandoned the State

JohnK3 · 04-18-2007, 09:48 AM

I agree, Raheim. Quit giving handouts to everyone that asks for one and a lot of the problems will go away.

BTW: would you consider changing your default font color back to black? The blue on grey is hard on these old eyes. They put me in bifocal contacts this year!

RahiemPT100 · 04-19-2007, 08:48 PM

John,
You bet not a problem. Liked the color on my screen but didn't know it was an issue out there.

04-11-2007, 03:48 PM	#1
satellite66 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Central NJ Posts: 2,068	True costs of illegal aliens INVASION USA $2.2 trillion illegal alien taxpayer sticker shock 2/3 of immigrants cost Americans $22,449 a year, shows new study Posted: April 11, 2007 1:00 a.m. Eastern © 2007 WorldNetDaily.com WASHINGTON – Someone has finally fixed an approximate taxpayer cost of between 12 million and 15 million illegal aliens residing in the U.S. A new study by the Heritage Foundation's Robert Rector found a household headed by an individual without a high school education, including about two-thirds of illegal aliens, costs U.S. taxpayers more than $32,000 in federal, state and local benefits. That same family contributes an average of $9,000 a year in taxes, resulting in a net tax burden of $22,449 each year. Over the course of the household's lifetime that tax burden translates to $1.1 million. (Story continues below) If the lower figure of 12 million illegal aliens is used for estimation purposes, the total tax burden translates to $2.2 trillion. "Would any of us buy shares in a company that we knew would produce a loss of a million dollars a share," asks Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, in response to the study. "Cheap labor is not cheap at the cost of over a million dollars per head of household." Rector's study, "The Fiscal Cost of Low-Skill Households to the U.S. Taxpayer," examines the economics of the 17.7 million American households made up of people without a high-school degree. Using numbers from the Census Bureau, the Congressional Research Service, the Bureau of Labor Standards and other government agencies, Rector determined what they earn, what they spend and what they receive in government services. About half of the 17.7 million households studied are illegal aliens. About two-thirds of illegal alien households are headed by someone without a high school degree. Only 10 percent of native-born Americans fit into that category. "Over the next ten years the total cost of low-skill households to the taxpayer (immediate benefits minus taxes paid) is likely to be at least $3.9 trillion," Rector writes. "This number would go up significantly if changes in immigration policy lead to substantial increases in the number of low-skill immigrants entering the country and receiving services." Link __________________ “Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not” — Thomas Jefferson. "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948 -->

04-11-2007, 09:26 PM	#2
Lead Lobber Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Central California coastal area Posts: 965	Re: True costs of illegal aliens Given this, and our colossal debt to China, this nation is headed toward bankruptcy; speeding down a hill that gets increasingly steeper, increasing ever faster as we ignore the problem. Whom shoulders the debt? Why you and I, as government increases taxes, spending even more, reaching ever deeper into our pockets to fund private pork barrels. Insist on the line item veto and term limits - vote down any that vote against these. Wake up, America! Fire those freeloaders in Washington! Or learn one of the many Chinese dialects. Divorce the Bush clan from the Saudis; their romantic relationship is disgusting. Suspend the right of big oil, automakers, pharmacuetical companies, insurance companies, et cetera to lobby lawmakers. Insist that lawmakers work at least 40 hours per week - year around, with reasonable benefits. Not Tuesday through Thursday! Get angry, #$% &^% #! LL

04-12-2007, 05:05 AM	#3
satellite66 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Central NJ Posts: 2,068	Re: True costs of illegal aliens LL you forgot to mention divorce the democrats from big unions and trial lawyers. __________________ “Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not” — Thomas Jefferson. "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

04-12-2007, 08:10 AM	#4
Bruce FLinch Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bay Point, Kali..aka Gun Point Posts: 5,016	Re: True costs of illegal aliens Thanks, Mike. Been awake for an hour & hadn't gotton ticked off yet! __________________ A bad day @ the Range, is better than a good day @ work.

04-13-2007, 09:28 AM	#6
RahiemPT100 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: FRNT Range Colorado Posts: 81	Re: True costs of illegal aliens We have a big problem here in the states that is for sure. However, anyone have the feeling that there really isn't much that can stop the flow? I mean we could spend lots of dough trying to "barricade" the boarders, and pay lots of guards to patrol the boarder, but then wouldn't we be just like the "villian" Ronald Regan mandated "Tear Down This Wall" (Mr. Gorbechev)? Side note; Anybody seen the movie "A day without a Mexican"? I know that in the industry I work in white people just don't last. They don't have the work ethic, nor are they of a mindset that puts work before their fun (all of the white kids I have hired quit, didn't show up, or had lame excuses for why they couldn't make their shift). Taxes MUST BE PAID (big picture), but (small picture) I can't get naturally born citizens to work for the rate I need, nor can I afford to pay more, and if their ss#'s check out, and their i.d. (INS#'s) check out, there is nothing I can do, nor will do (EEO)! Si tu no puedes lees este informacion, probable tu no sabes o no puedes hables espanol. Cuando trabajes en un trabajo por mas de ocho anos, y cuando practicas espanol que tu tenia de ustudias, tu intiendas que yo escrito. __________________ "What we have here is a failure to communicate. You see some men you just can't reach. So you get what we have here today. Which is the way he wants it. Well he gets it!" Last edited by RahiemPT100; 04-19-2007 at 08:50 PM.. Reason: Spanish check

04-14-2007, 12:36 AM	#7
Bruce FLinch Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bay Point, Kali..aka Gun Point Posts: 5,016	Re: True costs of illegal aliens I got no beefs w/ a company that hires legal immigrants, or people w/ work visa, etc. A MAJOR part of the problem is the stinkin' Co's. that hire illegal's to begin with. __________________ A bad day @ the Range, is better than a good day @ work.

04-17-2007, 09:21 PM	#8
RahiemPT100 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: FRNT Range Colorado Posts: 81	Re: True costs of illegal aliens Bruce, While I agree with that statement in a general fashion, I feel that the immigrations laws are to blame as well. I know if I had the decision to stay in a country where I couldn't support my family, or migrate illegally to a country that would pay me much more, end of decision I would be packing my bags. I think this issue is far more complex than most people see. You need to scratch the surface before you can make any determinations. The state of Wisconsin was the first state to do away with welfare, they started a program that trained welfare reciepients a vocation and then did away with the free handouts for having kids. Why can't other states follow their lead? I can tell you this, California would have a lot less problems with paying for "illegals" kid if this were the case. One mans opinion from the "front" if you will. __________________ "What we have here is a failure to communicate. You see some men you just can't reach. So you get what we have here today. Which is the way he wants it. Well he gets it!" Last edited by RahiemPT100; 04-19-2007 at 08:50 PM..

04-17-2007, 09:47 PM	#9
Bruce FLinch Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bay Point, Kali..aka Gun Point Posts: 5,016	Re: True costs of illegal aliens Some good points Raheim. The Immigration laws do need some serious revamping. I believe Tommy Thompson of Wisconsin is a Republican, & he did a heck of a job there as you cited. California is so dang Liberal, They want everyone with any money to bail out & support all the bums & illegals. The Conservatives haven't enough support to get something accomplished. It's disgusting. Common Sense has abandoned the State __________________ A bad day @ the Range, is better than a good day @ work.

04-18-2007, 09:48 AM	#10
JohnK3 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,636	Re: True costs of illegal aliens I agree, Raheim. Quit giving handouts to everyone that asks for one and a lot of the problems will go away. BTW: would you consider changing your default font color back to black? The blue on grey is hard on these old eyes. They put me in bifocal contacts this year!

04-19-2007, 08:48 PM	#11
RahiemPT100 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: FRNT Range Colorado Posts: 81	Re: True costs of illegal aliens John, You bet not a problem. Liked the color on my screen but didn't know it was an issue out there. __________________ "What we have here is a failure to communicate. You see some men you just can't reach. So you get what we have here today. Which is the way he wants it. Well he gets it!"