Best Small CCW - The Firearms Forum

JERICHO941 · 03-31-2007, 07:20 PM

I have a 3" Baby Eagle .40 that I currently us as my CCW. But now, down here in El Paso, TX as the winter season is coming to its end I am looking for something smaller. My Baby Eagle is small, but summer attire makes concealment a bit difficult. Im not really interested in a darringer/saturday night special type gun unless I have to. But something more along the lines of Makarov, Walther PPK, or Bersa guns. I also know that there is a Kahr pistol around that size but now sure of the model. If yall have any soggestions i would appreciate it. Thanks,
Don

pistolchamp · 04-01-2007, 05:36 PM

Absolutely, the Kahr PM9 (model # PM9093) is very small, lightweight and available in 9 m/m or 40 S&W. I will tell you that the 40 caliber job kicks quite a bit, so, the 9 is my choice.

As a dealer I demo this little gun a lot and have sold a pot of them. At $615 out the door its a good deal for keeping yourself alive.

It just disappears in the back pocket of jeans, dockers or slacks... I love it.

Thank you Kahr.

Second best, only because of the caliber is the North American Arms Guardian 380 acp. Its slightly smaller, cheaper ($415 out the door), but, a weak little sister due to the caliber. The 32NAA is an interesting caliber available also, but, ammo is hard to find and I'm not sure about a 32 bullet even if its going a bit faster.

obxned · 04-01-2007, 06:58 PM

I'd call those 'mediums', because of the size and particularly the weight. A small CCW is the KelTec P3AT.

durk · 04-01-2007, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pistolchamp

As a dealer I demo this little gun a lot and have sold a pot of them. At $615 out the door its a good deal for keeping yourself alive.

It just disappears in the back pocket of jeans, dockers or slacks... I love it.

I saw those Kahrs at the gun show going for $400! NIB) $615 is way too much!

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Originally Posted by obxned

I'd call those 'mediums', because of the size and particularly the weight. A small CCW is the KelTec P3AT.

Ditto! I have the P3AT and it carries great!

SouthCentral · 04-02-2007, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by pistolchamp

As a dealer I demo this little gun a lot and have sold a pot of them. At $615 out the door its a good deal for keeping yourself alive.

It just disappears in the back pocket of jeans, dockers or slacks... I love it.
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I saw those Kahrs at the gun show going for $400! NIB) $615 is way too much!

Ditto! I have the P3AT and it carries great!

I cary a Kahr MK40 in 40S&W loaded with Federal Personal Defense 135gr in a Bianchi IWB. Only thing I don't like about it is it's DAO. If I can get a decent sale or trade in price it's the new Colt 07810 in .45ACP.

SouthCentral

zadig39 · 04-04-2007, 12:32 AM

I have the Bersa and its a good piece, accurate and reliable. The kel-tec is much smaller, I am thinking about it as a CCW as I also live in Tx. and yes its that freakin hot.

358 winchester · 04-04-2007, 06:26 AM

PARA ORDNANCE P-7 CCW LDA can be carried 24/7 and in 45 ACP it is a good choice I would trade my 06 off before I would be without my LDA CCW

Mosin_Nagant_Fan · 04-04-2007, 11:43 AM

I've seen a Kel-Tec in either .25 or .32 and that thing is small. If I used my Mak for a CCW, I'd have to get more 2 pairs of baggy pants, because sitting down would be a prob when I carry it under the pants, especially with something like this on it.

obxned · 04-11-2007, 03:51 PM

P3AT on a belt clip!

Gunslingers · 04-11-2007, 04:50 PM

I think a great pocket gun would be a Seecamp or a Rohbraugh. These are light and can fit in a pocket with or without a pocket holster. I know one guy that carries 2 Seecamps, one in each pocket!

Lead Lobber · 04-11-2007, 11:10 PM

Pack and pay the price. Global warming makes it tougher. I'd stick with a revolver inside the waist band. .38 Special + P. 5 shot. Chief's Special. But that's just me.

LL

rsbks7 · 04-14-2007, 06:03 AM

I live in FL where it is "hot". My best CCW for summer is a Taurus model 85 airlite in .38 with+P ammo.

standles · 04-14-2007, 09:44 AM

I have to side with the ones saying adjust your dress code to the gun not the gun to the dress code. I would much rather be a little uncomfortable than have a gun I was less familiar with and felt I was comprimising on.

I know people love the keltec but I abhor them. Trigger is terrible and .... I will just stop there to snuff out a flame war.

I carry a Kimber Ultra CDP II in .45 in an IWB holster. Shorts,Light Tee, and a loose unbuttoned short sleeve shirt conceals very nicely. It is also rather comfortable. You can also get vests and such but the previous is my fav.

Steven

Bill DeShivs · 04-15-2007, 01:24 AM

I hate it when people perpetuate myths! The only Keltec with a "bad" trigger pull is the P 11- and it's not bad, but it is long.
All subsequent models have a different trigger system, and the pull is very good.
Bill

standles · 04-15-2007, 06:17 PM

Not perpetuating anything. I put hands on and pulled the trigger 6 times for myself. What brought it to my attention was the young lady taking the CCW class was shooting it under my supervision. On each shot toward the end of the trigger pull her hands would shake as she was squeezing the trigger so hard.

I thought there was something wrong so I shot 6 rounds through it. While my hands did not shake with the trigger pull it was horribbly gritty and significantly heavier than 4-5# My carry guns are 4# pulls. I took it apart looking for obvious signs of breakage and found none. Lubed reassembled and same trigger pull existed.

She completed the class with that weapon. She tried several others weapons (With NO TRYING TO SWAY HER ONE WAY OR ANOTHER) she tried SW autos, 1911's, glocks, snub nose revolvers and left vowing never to use that one (kel-tec) for ccw.

Now Bill I volunteer that you mileage may vary and you may have the best kel-tec(s) out there. I may even allow that hers and the one I briefly owned (no its trigger wasn't that bad but it wasn't good either) could have been friday afternoon guns. But to claim I am "perpertuating a myth" by reporting hands on experiences is just knee-jerk and probably trolling.

Steven

Ps.

I learned along time ago never to speak in absoultes as it will always come back to bite ya

Bill DeShivs · 04-16-2007, 02:13 AM

No, I'm not trolling. What model was the gun?
Bill

standles · 04-16-2007, 08:38 AM

I had to go look on thier website to find the model she had.

The one she was shooting was in fact the P-11 you described earlier.

The one I owned for a brief period was the P-3AT

Steven

travihanson · 06-13-2007, 09:25 AM

I recommend the kahr mk40, in .40cal...its expensive but you can get the polymer (spelled right? maybe...i dunno...) or the stainless versions....nice, light, kicky but your not going to notice if you need it....

SouthCentral · 06-13-2007, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by travihanson

I recommend the kahr mk40, in .40cal...its expensive but you can get the polymer (spelled right? maybe...i dunno...) or the stainless versions....nice, light, kicky but your not going to notice if you need it....

Sorry to disagree but IMHO the Colt Defender .45ACP is way better that the Kahr MK40. I have carried and still own the MK4043 in .40S&W (the stainless version) however I just got the Defender and it is a much better CCW For me!! My main gripe about the MK40 is it's DAO. Never liked revolvers for that same reason. Just my choice. I respect everyone else's choice too.

SouthCentral

travihanson · 06-13-2007, 12:10 PM

The DAO only takes a little bit of practice to get used to...and is better for ccw because of the fact that you dont have to play with hammers...I have carried both and dont like to carry the 1911 with the hammer ready to go...If it came to what /I/ feel safe carrying, kahr DAO, or 1911 hammer back and ready to go, i feel that i would much rather carry something that is going to take a little pressure to have it go off...I don't trust safety's and would rather be able to fire in the shortest time possibe......that's my .02

Opinions are like a**holes...everybody has one

03-31-2007, 07:20 PM	#1
JERICHO941 Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: El Paso, Texas Posts: 47	Best Small CCW I have a 3" Baby Eagle .40 that I currently us as my CCW. But now, down here in El Paso, TX as the winter season is coming to its end I am looking for something smaller. My Baby Eagle is small, but summer attire makes concealment a bit difficult. Im not really interested in a darringer/saturday night special type gun unless I have to. But something more along the lines of Makarov, Walther PPK, or Bersa guns. I also know that there is a Kahr pistol around that size but now sure of the model. If yall have any soggestions i would appreciate it. Thanks, Don __________________ Happy Shootin! "Creativity is a good thing but sometimes Free Will is a bad thing!" (Don C. 9/14/2012) -->

04-01-2007, 05:36 PM	#2
pistolchamp Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texarkana, Texas Posts: 25	Re: Best Small CCW Absolutely, the Kahr PM9 (model # PM9093) is very small, lightweight and available in 9 m/m or 40 S&W. I will tell you that the 40 caliber job kicks quite a bit, so, the 9 is my choice. As a dealer I demo this little gun a lot and have sold a pot of them. At $615 out the door its a good deal for keeping yourself alive. It just disappears in the back pocket of jeans, dockers or slacks... I love it. Thank you Kahr. Second best, only because of the caliber is the North American Arms Guardian 380 acp. Its slightly smaller, cheaper ($415 out the door), but, a weak little sister due to the caliber. The 32NAA is an interesting caliber available also, but, ammo is hard to find and I'm not sure about a 32 bullet even if its going a bit faster. Last edited by pistolchamp; 04-01-2007 at 07:46 PM..

04-01-2007, 06:58 PM	#3
obxned Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,342	Re: Best Small CCW I'd call those 'mediums', because of the size and particularly the weight. A small CCW is the KelTec P3AT.

04-04-2007, 12:32 AM	#6
zadig39 Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: tejas Posts: 9	Re: Best Small CCW I have the Bersa and its a good piece, accurate and reliable. The kel-tec is much smaller, I am thinking about it as a CCW as I also live in Tx. and yes its that freakin hot. __________________ attn:crew the beatings will continue until moral improves!

04-04-2007, 06:26 AM	#7
358 winchester TFF Admin Staff Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pensacola Fl. area Posts: 7,335	Re: Best Small CCW PARA ORDNANCE P-7 CCW LDA can be carried 24/7 and in 45 ACP it is a good choice I would trade my 06 off before I would be without my LDA CCW __________________ Administrator & Owner RangeDay.com Proud, White, Heterosexual, Gun Owning, Southern American, Christian. Any question about where I stand?

04-04-2007, 11:43 AM	#8
Mosin_Nagant_Fan Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montgomery, AL Posts: 1,833	Re: Best Small CCW I've seen a Kel-Tec in either .25 or .32 and that thing is small. If I used my Mak for a CCW, I'd have to get more 2 pairs of baggy pants, because sitting down would be a prob when I carry it under the pants, especially with something like this on it. __________________ Long Gun Collection: M38 Mosin-Nagant Carbine Russian 1950 SKS Winchester 1300 20Ga Western Field Single-Shot 16Ga Sears Ranger .22S-L-LR Bolt-Action Rifle Marlin 795 Semi-Auto (Brother's) Handgun Collection: Springfield Armory XD9 Service

04-11-2007, 03:51 PM	#9
obxned Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,342	Re: Best Small CCW P3AT on a belt clip!

04-11-2007, 04:50 PM	#10
Gunslingers Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Milford, MI Posts: 1	Re: Best Small CCW I think a great pocket gun would be a Seecamp or a Rohbraugh. These are light and can fit in a pocket with or without a pocket holster. I know one guy that carries 2 Seecamps, one in each pocket! __________________ George NRA Certified Instructor and RSO IDPA and PPC Nighthawk Custom Preferred Dealer Gunslingers

04-11-2007, 11:10 PM	#11
Lead Lobber Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Central California coastal area Posts: 965	Re: Best Small CCW Pack and pay the price. Global warming makes it tougher. I'd stick with a revolver inside the waist band. .38 Special + P. 5 shot. Chief's Special. But that's just me. LL

04-14-2007, 06:03 AM	#12
rsbks7 Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: FL Posts: 7	Re: Best Small CCW I live in FL where it is "hot". My best CCW for summer is a Taurus model 85 airlite in .38 with+P ammo.

04-14-2007, 09:44 AM	#13
standles V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 52	Re: Best Small CCW I have to side with the ones saying adjust your dress code to the gun not the gun to the dress code. I would much rather be a little uncomfortable than have a gun I was less familiar with and felt I was comprimising on. I know people love the keltec but I abhor them. Trigger is terrible and .... I will just stop there to snuff out a flame war. I carry a Kimber Ultra CDP II in .45 in an IWB holster. Shorts,Light Tee, and a loose unbuttoned short sleeve shirt conceals very nicely. It is also rather comfortable. You can also get vests and such but the previous is my fav. Steven

04-15-2007, 01:24 AM	#14
Bill DeShivs Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Contributor Posts: 1,478	Re: Best Small CCW I hate it when people perpetuate myths! The only Keltec with a "bad" trigger pull is the P 11- and it's not bad, but it is long. All subsequent models have a different trigger system, and the pull is very good. Bill

04-15-2007, 06:17 PM	#15
standles V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 52	Re: Best Small CCW Not perpetuating anything. I put hands on and pulled the trigger 6 times for myself. What brought it to my attention was the young lady taking the CCW class was shooting it under my supervision. On each shot toward the end of the trigger pull her hands would shake as she was squeezing the trigger so hard. I thought there was something wrong so I shot 6 rounds through it. While my hands did not shake with the trigger pull it was horribbly gritty and significantly heavier than 4-5# My carry guns are 4# pulls. I took it apart looking for obvious signs of breakage and found none. Lubed reassembled and same trigger pull existed. She completed the class with that weapon. She tried several others weapons (With NO TRYING TO SWAY HER ONE WAY OR ANOTHER) she tried SW autos, 1911's, glocks, snub nose revolvers and left vowing never to use that one (kel-tec) for ccw. Now Bill I volunteer that you mileage may vary and you may have the best kel-tec(s) out there. I may even allow that hers and the one I briefly owned (no its trigger wasn't that bad but it wasn't good either) could have been friday afternoon guns. But to claim I am "perpertuating a myth" by reporting hands on experiences is just knee-jerk and probably trolling. Steven Ps. I learned along time ago never to speak in absoultes as it will always come back to bite ya Last edited by standles; 04-15-2007 at 06:18 PM.. Reason: Add a PS

04-16-2007, 02:13 AM	#16
Bill DeShivs Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Contributor Posts: 1,478	Re: Best Small CCW No, I'm not trolling. What model was the gun? Bill

04-16-2007, 08:38 AM	#17
standles V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 52	Re: Best Small CCW I had to go look on thier website to find the model she had. The one she was shooting was in fact the P-11 you described earlier. The one I owned for a brief period was the P-3AT Steven

06-13-2007, 09:25 AM	#18
travihanson Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Milo, ME Posts: 582	Re: Best Small CCW I recommend the kahr mk40, in .40cal...its expensive but you can get the polymer (spelled right? maybe...i dunno...) or the stainless versions....nice, light, kicky but your not going to notice if you need it....

06-13-2007, 12:10 PM	#20
travihanson Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Milo, ME Posts: 582	Re: Best Small CCW The DAO only takes a little bit of practice to get used to...and is better for ccw because of the fact that you dont have to play with hammers...I have carried both and dont like to carry the 1911 with the hammer ready to go...If it came to what /I/ feel safe carrying, kahr DAO, or 1911 hammer back and ready to go, i feel that i would much rather carry something that is going to take a little pressure to have it go off...I don't trust safety's and would rather be able to fire in the shortest time possibe......that's my .02 Opinions are like a**holes...everybody has one