how about a talk about some colonial british wars and arms! i'll get things rollin here by saying:"I WANT A MARTINI-HENRY!!!!!!!" i know you can buy one for $400-$600, but that's more than i can afford with college comin next year. just to blast a deer with one of those .577/.450 cartridges would be pure joy for me!!! just to see what it would do to that poor creature! people often say that deer and humans are similarly effected by a hit, so that deer wouldn't stand a chance! 450-480grn bullet backed by 85grns of black powder, dang that must be absolutely potent!!