pre ban guns

[Luke]

I was just wondering, with a pre-ban gun, could you take it apart and using other gun parts made after the ban, create two guns, using parts of legal pre-ban guns, and new parts? and also if the legal gun breaks, what is the limit to what you can replace on the gun?
Luke

[bdfinst]

Since there is no ban (nationally), you can do what you like. I chuckle at all of the "pre-ban" rifles I see still at gun shows. The ban expired 3 years ago and is still being used as a marketing ploy. My friends and I use the term to mean "priced way above value".

[southernshooter]

The current deal about pre ban and post ban is some states won't allow high cap mags unless they are pre ban mags, I have seen people online trade 10 post ban magazines for one pre ban magazine so they can have a high cap in their state

[pickenup]

While the “Clinton” ban of “94” is irrelevant at this time. There are still laws on the books concerning the assembling of some “imported” firearms. You can not use more than 10 imported parts to build these “imported” firearms. If you stick with American made firearms, you'll be OK with changing parts around.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by bdfinst

Since there is no ban (nationally), you can do what you like. I chuckle at all of the "pre-ban" rifles I see still at gun shows. The ban expired 3 years ago and is still being used as a marketing ploy. My friends and I use the term to mean "priced way above value".

I thought that it was illegal to purchase any fully auto weapons made after 1986. so this is not true?
Luke

[southernshooter]

It is illegal to purchase a post-86 machine gun, Luke that wasn't a ban that was a permanet bill. You can thank the NRA for that bill

[Luke]

o. so what was the ban that clinton signed banning? and why would the NRA ban automatic weapons? I thought it was a national gun association.
Luke

[southernshooter]

Clinton signed the Assualt Weapon Ban or as I call it the Scary Looking Gun Ban
I will be the first to say that the NRA has helped us gun owners and continues to help us everyday, But in 1986 the NRA sold out machinegun owners so that we could get ammo delivered to our houses. They made it to where any machine gun made after that date in 1986 could not be transfered to individuals. For it to be tranferable it would have had to have been regestered before 1986

[Luke]

o i c. that sux though. also does anyone know how to and how hard it is to get a class 3 liscence?

[southernshooter]

Originally Posted by Luke

o i c. that sux though. also does anyone know how to and how hard it is to get a class 3 liscence?

Basically you will need to get a 01 FFl which is a regular FFL first, Which can be a pain in the but, It would be easier to get a 07

[Luke]

what is a 07?
luke

[southernshooter]

An 07 is a Machine Gun manufacters llicense, You are allowed to make machine guns for law enforcement and dealers, One of the perks of being a manufactor is that you can shoot and enjoy any gun you make, and you can make you a little money selling to Class III dealers. But before you were to ever go out of buisness you would have to turn them in or sell them

[Luke]

thats stupid that you would have to turn in your own guns lol. i so i guess if you made 1 gun every 10 yrs...... lol

[gopguy]

Hi gang, new here but been collecting guns for thirty years.

There seems to be some confusion over what exactly preban means and also the manufacturing ban on machine guns.

Since I lived through this lets hit it in order. The manufacturing ban on machine guns was slipped into the Firearm owners protection act in 1986. This was done by democrats on the House floor while few people were there and it was done on a voice vote. The NRA who had labored long to get the FOPA thought the US Supreme Court would rule the manufacture ban of machine guns for civilian use unconsititutional. They advised President Reagan to go ahead and sign the bill into law and let the courts fix the ban. Well that was 21 years ago. A mistake, yes, but they really thought the courts would throw it out. So it was not malicious.

Semi Auto bans. There were two. The first was in 1989 and only dealt with imported firearms. That still stands as it was permanent. You have two culprits. The President Bush (the elder's) "Drug Czar" William Bennett temporarily banned the import of so called assault weapons while the issue was to be studied. This was because of a mass shooting in Stockton California in a school yard. Patrick Purdy killed several children using a semiauto Norinco AK with the word Hezbollah carved in the butt stock. However in days following Bennett's temp ban, the US Congress, again majority democrat, stepped in and made the import ban permanent by passing a law to ban further importation of the guns.


1994 Bill Clinton and the democrat congress passed a ban on all semiautomatic "assault weapons" using a nebulous description of what an assault weapon was. This ban sunset in 2004. Prior to that Bill Clinton by executive order with Secretary of the Tresury Lloyd Benson banned a number of different types of shotguns as destructive devices...

With the sunset in 2004 many so called assault weapons made in the US are back. The AR 15 derivitives and so forth quickly come to mind as does the Springfield Armory M1A copy of the M14. While they were still made during the ban, they were defanged of bayonet lugs and flash hiders.
However some great guns that were imported like the original Steyr AUG, Beretta BM59,BM62, AR70 Daewoos from Korea, HKs from Germany. Original FN FAL, FNC etc...I can go on and on about the foreign guns. We will not see those from those makers until the law is over turned. With the Dems running both chambers of congress again and the prospect of President Hillary or Obama after 2008...forget it. So get out to vote the right way.



So when you see the term preban, if it is an imported arm, that is not copied in the US, the issue and term is still quite valid. I also find many of the US copies with their required US made parts to be found wanting in many areas... So before you go arguing with someone at a gun shop or gun show using the term preban, know what you are looking at.

[Crpdeth]

Enjoied the post GOP...

Welcome to the forums, hope you stick around and post often!

Crpdeth

[gopguy]

Thanks glad to be here. I get fairly active when I find a new interesting gun board. I am pretty much interested in anything that goes bang.

I also do some editorial writing for Buckeye Firearms Association. We are one of the most active pro gun lobbying groups in Ohio. Check out our website here.

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/index.php

[Laufer]

Gopguy and fellow rifle fans:

Thanks. almost started a thread titled: "What is the pre-ban, AWB and post-ban all about?
Have read some fairly general, fragmented descriptions on about seven websites, i.e. 'THR', 'Thefiringline', 'Warrifles' etc.
It is a fairly new hobby for me, since last October, despite being 53.
1) Who has a good, clear description of the pre-ban/AWB issues?

Am starting to learn, and made first gun purchases last fall/winter.
Used Mini 14 & 30, "cherry" SKS and two nice MN 44s. All are used only for plinking.

Will visit my first gun show this Saturday, but other than maybe buying a little surplus x54R ammo if price very good, have no other plans and don't know what to expect, except some guns and knives. Maybe the only sellers are typical gun stores or pawn shops-definitely no good deals unless the guns have problems or lots of corrosion?
The shows which have been in Memphis, TN are not supposed to be all that large or interesting, from what I've read.

2) Is it often possible at a mediocre show to find anybody selling foreign surplus ammo (i.e. x54R) etc for about 10% less than the lowest prices at the bulk distributors (i.e. AIM or Impactguns), or is a modest amount discounted only in order to 'spice up' a gun deal gun?
Or do some people sell ammo which has been knocked around or left out in humid air for many years?
Don't imagine that anybody sells new, basic Wolf or Bear/Tiger .223 at a serious discount.
Pardon the unrelated questions.

[dglockster]

Pre-ban may no longer exist, but the 922r requirements for imported AK-type rifles is still in effect. For example, any imported AK rifle that you own must have a minimum of 5 U.S. parts installed. If the rifle has a threaded muzzle, then the requirement increases to a minimum of 6 U.S. made parts installed.

[flopshot]

Originally Posted by dglockster

Pre-ban may no longer exist, but the 922r requirements for imported AK-type rifles is still in effect. For example, any imported AK rifle that you own must have a minimum of 5 U.S. parts installed. If the rifle has a threaded muzzle, then the requirement increases to a minimum of 6 U.S. made parts installed.

technically, it's more an issue of not having more than ten imported parts than needing a minimum of five U.S. parts. this is derived from the list of sixteen qualified components and is not up to the builder. for example, you get no credit for using a U.S. made buttplate or dust cover. the most common disgarded oem parts are 1. the receiver in a home build, 2. pistol grip, 3,4,5. FCG, 6. muzzle device, 7. and gas piston. i usually go with the piston and retain the oem pistol grip. some preffer to go with the mag body, follower and floorplats but i don't like the idea of installing the wrong mag in the wrong rifle.

[dglockster]

flopshot is correct. I should have written "compliance" parts because not all U.S. made parts count toward compliance.