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JDS · 01-18-2009, 12:20 PM

You've incorrectly assumed an understanding of what I think. Perhaps you don't care to examine any assumptions at all.

Here is one relevant section of article I initially recommended by Freeman Dyson, a 90+ year-old British physicist, regarded by many as a genius in his scientific field, and with a long history of thoughtful essays on society as well as a distinguished war record.

"The Zedillo book covers a much wider range of topics and opinions than the Nordhaus book, and is addressed to a wider circle of readers. It includes "Is the Global Warming Alarm Founded on Fact?," by Richard Lindzen, professor of atmospheric sciences at MIT, answering that question with a resounding no. Lindzen does not deny the existence of global warming, but considers the predictions of its harmful effects to be grossly exaggerated.

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Answering Lindzen in the next chapter, "Anthropogenic Climate Change: Revisiting the Facts," is Stefan Rahmstorf, professor of physics of the oceans at Potsdam University in Germany. Rahmstorf sums up his opinion of Lindzen's arguments in one sentence: "All this seems completely out of touch with the world of climate science as I know it and, to be frank, simply ludicrous." These two chapters give the reader a sad picture of climate science. Rahmstorf represents the majority of scientists who believe fervently that global warming is a grave danger. Lindzen represents the small minority who are skeptical. Their conversation is a dialogue of the deaf. The majority responds to the minority with open contempt.

In the history of science it has often happened that the majority was wrong and refused to listen to a minority that later turned out to be right. It may—or may not—be that the present is such a time. The great virtue of Nordhaus's economic analysis is that it remains valid whether the majority view is right or wrong.

bcj1755 · 01-18-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ponycar17

As a comedic aside, those of us who have seen Pinky and The Brain, the cartoon, will remember that Pinky would ask Brain (two lab mice of varying intelligence) every day, "what are we gon' 'ta do today Brain?"... Brain would reply, "The same thing we do every day Pinky... Try to take over the wooooorld!!!"

The following is Brain... And since Waxman sort of looks like Brain... Well, I couldn't resist!...

The more I look at that, the more I laugh

RunningOnMT · 01-18-2009, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AL MOUNT

Waxman promises quick action on climate

God Help Us

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

Is it just me or does Henry Waxman bear a resemblance to Heinrich Himmler?

JDS · 01-19-2009, 10:07 PM

Is "energy independence" such an anathema to the far right wing?

allmons · 01-20-2009, 03:59 AM

We'd love energy independence, but we'll never get it from Waxman or any of the clowns in Washington today. We need to drill our own while increasing the use of coal, natural gas and nuclear.

The dumb butts in DC want to kill all those ideas. But until somebody increases the storage capabilities of batteries by a factor of 10 or 12, increases photovoltaic cells efficiency by at LEAST 250%, or invents a perpetual motion machine, our choices are coal, natural gas, nuclear and drilling for own oil. Otherwise, no energy independence for many, many years. Perhaps obamamessiah will make clean oil flow from the rocks, but I can assure you that no one in congress can even comprehend what the hell we're talking about.

bcj1755 · 01-20-2009, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by allmons

We'd love energy independence, but we'll never get it from Waxman or any of the clowns in Washington today. We need to drill our own while increasing the use of coal, natural gas and nuclear.

The dumb butts in DC want to kill all those ideas. But until somebody increases the storage capabilities of batteries by a factor of 10 or 12, increases photovoltaic cells efficiency by at LEAST 250%, or invents a perpetual motion machine, our choices are coal, natural gas, nuclear and drilling for own oil. Otherwise, no energy independence for many, many years. Perhaps obamamessiah will make clean oil flow from the rocks, but I can assure you that no one in congress can even comprehend what the hell we're talking about.

Exactly!

JDS · 01-20-2009, 03:43 PM

Maybe the crack (ed) reporter Jerome Corsi got it right in his book:

"Jerome R. Corsi and Craig R. Smith expose the fraudulent science that has been sold to the American people in order to enslave them: the belief that oil is a fossil fuel and a finite resource. On the contrary, this book presents authoritative research, currently known mostly in the scientific community, that oil is not a product of decaying dinosaurs and prehistoric forests. Rather, it is a natural product of the earth. The scientific evidence cited by Corsi and Smith suggests that oil is constantly being produced by the earth, far below the planet's surface, and that it is brought to attainable depths by the centrifugal forces of the earth's rotation.[64]

satellite66 · 01-20-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JDS

Is "energy independence" such an anathema to the far right wing?

Who says the left gets to decide the definition of energy independence? How is it that drilling and refining our own oil or mining our own coal not energy independence? How come nuclear is not in the lefts vocabulary?
Someday I'm sure that we will be off the fossil fuel train but it will not happen in our lifetimes I am sure. When it does happen it will happen because of risk taker capitalists and not because Obama and a bunch of liberal socialists.

JDS · 01-20-2009, 06:38 PM

When the oil geniuses from Texas had the chance, they did zip.

But wait...If Jerome "Swiftboat" Corsi is correct, there is more oil being made all the time and we've got nothing to worry about. All those petroleum geologists are participating in another conspiracy.

satellite66 · 01-20-2009, 07:10 PM

A chance to do what? Who are the oil geniuses you are whining about?
No conspiracy could ever top the global warming BS we hear.
Government is not the answer to almost any problem we face in this country. Free enterprise and capitalism is our best hope.

ponycar17 · 01-20-2009, 07:48 PM

Satellite, it's simply not worth arguing.... It's kind of boring after a while.

satellite66 · 01-21-2009, 06:05 AM

I disagree and to me that is why the GOP is such a mess because they won't fight back against the liberal BS. Our very institutions and foundations are being assaulted by liberalism.

JDS · 01-21-2009, 02:24 PM

What "they" didn't do was define "energy independence." Bush's idea of energy policy was "the market," which is fine if you're a Saudi prince.

I don't believe "energy independence" is achievable, it's just a feel-good slogan...but domestic production of fossil fuels certainly won't do it unless one tolerates vastly more air pollution, via lots of low-grade coal-burning, than is presently or has ever been the case. No credible source contradicts this.

To "define" "drill baby drill" as energy independence, or as a meaningful route to such, is to define nothing at all. Any sort of realistic energy policy, yeah, imposed by the elected government, is better than nothing.

satellite66 · 01-21-2009, 02:46 PM

JDS do you have a good dental plan because you will need it for all the liberal kool aid you drink.
You sound like an Al Gore talking point.
You are so right. The free market is evil and we need central planning to save us comrade.
Capitalism needs to be stamped out and replaced by government run everything. After all only the government can fix or supply what is needed.
If only we submit to the wisdom that is Obama we will all be saved from ourselves.
To guys like you energy independence is lowering us to the level of a third world country.

ponycar17 · 01-21-2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by satellite66

I disagree and to me that is why the GOP is such a mess because they won't fight back against the liberal BS. Our very institutions and foundations are being assaulted by liberalism.

I've been told I'd argue with a fence post, so when I stop arguing with someone... Well, there's something to be said about that.

satellite66 · 01-21-2009, 05:54 PM

I know Pony but I feel like if maybe we all spoke up more over the last 8 years we would be better off. I have decided not to be silent and to be on the offense. They have done it to us forever and we have allowed it. To much is at stake to allow them to set the rules.
I apologize if that offends some but the future of my children and my nation is in jeopardy.

ponycar17 · 01-21-2009, 09:45 PM

Satellite, I've got a kid too. I too, worry greatly about his future and how it will compare to my past and current lifestyle. The most important thing I'm going to TRY to teach him is that one should think for himself. If you can't think for yourself, don't form an opinion based on your friends' opinions. That's bandwagon mentality, and one should reserve that for sports...

Lately when someone exhibits the bandwagon style thinking, and I've tried to sway them already, it's easy to give up. It reminds me of the article I read the other day.

01-18-2009, 12:20 PM	#26
JDS Former Guest Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 151	Re: Stupid.. Has a Face You've incorrectly assumed an understanding of what I think. Perhaps you don't care to examine any assumptions at all. Here is one relevant section of article I initially recommended by Freeman Dyson, a 90+ year-old British physicist, regarded by many as a genius in his scientific field, and with a long history of thoughtful essays on society as well as a distinguished war record. "The Zedillo book covers a much wider range of topics and opinions than the Nordhaus book, and is addressed to a wider circle of readers. It includes "Is the Global Warming Alarm Founded on Fact?," by Richard Lindzen, professor of atmospheric sciences at MIT, answering that question with a resounding no. Lindzen does not deny the existence of global warming, but considers the predictions of its harmful effects to be grossly exaggerated. ..... Answering Lindzen in the next chapter, "Anthropogenic Climate Change: Revisiting the Facts," is Stefan Rahmstorf, professor of physics of the oceans at Potsdam University in Germany. Rahmstorf sums up his opinion of Lindzen's arguments in one sentence: "All this seems completely out of touch with the world of climate science as I know it and, to be frank, simply ludicrous." These two chapters give the reader a sad picture of climate science. Rahmstorf represents the majority of scientists who believe fervently that global warming is a grave danger. Lindzen represents the small minority who are skeptical. Their conversation is a dialogue of the deaf. The majority responds to the minority with open contempt. In the history of science it has often happened that the majority was wrong and refused to listen to a minority that later turned out to be right. It may—or may not—be that the present is such a time. The great virtue of Nordhaus's economic analysis is that it remains valid whether the majority view is right or wrong. Last edited by JDS; 01-18-2009 at 02:49 PM..

01-19-2009, 10:07 PM	#29
JDS Former Guest Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 151	Re: Stupid.. Has a Face Is "energy independence" such an anathema to the far right wing?

01-20-2009, 03:59 AM	#30
allmons Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tennessee Posts: 43	Re: Stupid.. Has a Face We'd love energy independence, but we'll never get it from Waxman or any of the clowns in Washington today. We need to drill our own while increasing the use of coal, natural gas and nuclear. The dumb butts in DC want to kill all those ideas. But until somebody increases the storage capabilities of batteries by a factor of 10 or 12, increases photovoltaic cells efficiency by at LEAST 250%, or invents a perpetual motion machine, our choices are coal, natural gas, nuclear and drilling for own oil. Otherwise, no energy independence for many, many years. Perhaps obamamessiah will make clean oil flow from the rocks, but I can assure you that no one in congress can even comprehend what the hell we're talking about.

01-20-2009, 03:43 PM	#32
JDS Former Guest Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 151	Re: Stupid.. Has a Face Maybe the crack (ed) reporter Jerome Corsi got it right in his book: "Jerome R. Corsi and Craig R. Smith expose the fraudulent science that has been sold to the American people in order to enslave them: the belief that oil is a fossil fuel and a finite resource. On the contrary, this book presents authoritative research, currently known mostly in the scientific community, that oil is not a product of decaying dinosaurs and prehistoric forests. Rather, it is a natural product of the earth. The scientific evidence cited by Corsi and Smith suggests that oil is constantly being produced by the earth, far below the planet's surface, and that it is brought to attainable depths by the centrifugal forces of the earth's rotation.[64]

01-20-2009, 06:38 PM	#34
JDS Former Guest Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 151	Re: Stupid.. Has a Face When the oil geniuses from Texas had the chance, they did zip. But wait...If Jerome "Swiftboat" Corsi is correct, there is more oil being made all the time and we've got nothing to worry about. All those petroleum geologists are participating in another conspiracy.

01-20-2009, 07:10 PM	#35
satellite66 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Central NJ Posts: 2,068	Re: Stupid.. Has a Face A chance to do what? Who are the oil geniuses you are whining about? No conspiracy could ever top the global warming BS we hear. Government is not the answer to almost any problem we face in this country. Free enterprise and capitalism is our best hope. __________________ “Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not” — Thomas Jefferson. "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

01-20-2009, 07:48 PM	#36
ponycar17 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Carolina Contributor Posts: 4,884	Re: Stupid.. Has a Face Satellite, it's simply not worth arguing.... It's kind of boring after a while.

01-21-2009, 06:05 AM	#37
satellite66 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Central NJ Posts: 2,068	Re: Stupid.. Has a Face I disagree and to me that is why the GOP is such a mess because they won't fight back against the liberal BS. Our very institutions and foundations are being assaulted by liberalism. __________________ “Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not” — Thomas Jefferson. "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

01-21-2009, 02:24 PM	#38
JDS Former Guest Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 151	Re: Stupid.. Has a Face What "they" didn't do was define "energy independence." Bush's idea of energy policy was "the market," which is fine if you're a Saudi prince. I don't believe "energy independence" is achievable, it's just a feel-good slogan...but domestic production of fossil fuels certainly won't do it unless one tolerates vastly more air pollution, via lots of low-grade coal-burning, than is presently or has ever been the case. No credible source contradicts this. To "define" "drill baby drill" as energy independence, or as a meaningful route to such, is to define nothing at all. Any sort of realistic energy policy, yeah, imposed by the elected government, is better than nothing.

01-21-2009, 02:46 PM	#39
satellite66 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Central NJ Posts: 2,068	Re: Stupid.. Has a Face JDS do you have a good dental plan because you will need it for all the liberal kool aid you drink. You sound like an Al Gore talking point. You are so right. The free market is evil and we need central planning to save us comrade. Capitalism needs to be stamped out and replaced by government run everything. After all only the government can fix or supply what is needed. If only we submit to the wisdom that is Obama we will all be saved from ourselves. To guys like you energy independence is lowering us to the level of a third world country. __________________ “Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not” — Thomas Jefferson. "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948 Last edited by satellite66; 01-21-2009 at 02:47 PM..

01-21-2009, 05:54 PM	#41
satellite66 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Central NJ Posts: 2,068	Re: Stupid.. Has a Face I know Pony but I feel like if maybe we all spoke up more over the last 8 years we would be better off. I have decided not to be silent and to be on the offense. They have done it to us forever and we have allowed it. To much is at stake to allow them to set the rules. I apologize if that offends some but the future of my children and my nation is in jeopardy. __________________ “Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not” — Thomas Jefferson. "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948 Last edited by satellite66; 01-21-2009 at 05:55 PM..

01-21-2009, 09:45 PM	#42
ponycar17 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Carolina Contributor Posts: 4,884	Re: Stupid.. Has a Face Satellite, I've got a kid too. I too, worry greatly about his future and how it will compare to my past and current lifestyle. The most important thing I'm going to TRY to teach him is that one should think for himself. If you can't think for yourself, don't form an opinion based on your friends' opinions. That's bandwagon mentality, and one should reserve that for sports... Lately when someone exhibits the bandwagon style thinking, and I've tried to sway them already, it's easy to give up. It reminds me of the article I read the other day. Last edited by ponycar17; 01-22-2009 at 05:35 AM..