FOUNDED: February 9, 2001
|02-13-2008, 06:29 AM||#1|
Join Date: Feb 2008
Watercooled tripod mounted 10-22
(Be sure to scroll down and check out pics, links for pics and video test firing links.)
These are not for sale at this time and this is not an advertisement. I am simply asking for opinions from the firearms community on what they think of the concept and what I have created so far.
Beat ammo prices & still have tripod mounted fun
With 308 up to .45 and .50 cents a round, shooting is getting expensive. If someone takes their browning 1917 or 1919 to a mg shoot and fires a few hours they can easily eat up 20 belts of 100rds each, that's 2000 rds. At .45 cents a rd that's $900.00 and at .50 cents a rd that's $1000.00 they just threw downrange with nothing to take home to show for it other than the fun they had in one afternoon's shooting.
That may be ok for some folks, but suspose someone could show people how to have almost the same amount of fun with a mg style tripod mounted semi auto gun that could either utilize the trigger as normally or with a crankfire and still shoot 2000 rds for a total ammo cost of $36.00 would that interest people?
My air cooled and water cooled (aluminum with some steel) mini browning style dress up stock prototypes for the ruger 10-22 work by using the trigger normally or with an accessory crankfire device. Aside from one model being truly watercooled (I use antifreeze) they are dress up stocks only and do not have anything to do with changing the cyclic rate of fire of the ruger 10-22. The 10-22 is totally unmodified and is semi auto only. By attaching the bmf activator crankfire device manufactured by bmf and not me, they can fire legally and unregulated like a gatling gun. Bmf has manufactured their crankfire device since 1981 and have been approved by the BATFE since that time. My dress up stocks are over 26 inches long and use an over 16 inch threaded bull barrel. They will fit on the full size M2 tripods and the 1928 tripods as well as other 1919/1917 full size tripods. They utilize an unmodified ruger 10-22 as the host firearm.
Actually they are not smaller semi auto exact copy versions of a browning or any one type of mg. They are my own designs that are intended to resemble without being a copy of, some mg's such as my air cooled one resembling a browning 1919a4, but the watercooled one resembles not only the browning 1917 but also the maxim/vickers and other water cooled machine guns of the early 20th century. I call them my mini browning ruger 10-22 dress up stocks because it would take too long to call them...."my mini ruger 10-22 dress up stocks that resemble some particular mg's while also resembling a family of other watercooled ones". Lol. I still haven't come up with a name that aptly describes them in a short sentence.
I can change to different full size tripods quickly and easily. My adaptor for attaching them to full size tripods is removable from the dress up stock. I can fire by pulling the trigger normally or by installing an accessory crankfire device like the bmf activator. So if I lived in a state that does not allow rapid fire crankfire devices, I could still enjoy this dress up stock by pulling the trigger normally. I can replace any worn out ruger 10-22 parts inexpensively and easily from a host of suppliers. I can use any banana mag or the MWG 50 rd mag. It requires no modification to my host ruger 10-22.
The air cooled model was my first attempt. It came out with a fake shell receiver that has a bit of a long "tongue" projecting from the bottom front of the fake shell receiver that I am not happy with the looks of. This will be changed and will look like the watercooled model's fake shell receiver on my yet to be built 3rd model.
My third yet to be built model will incorporate improvements and changes I learned from making the first two protos. It will standardize the shell receiver and enable a quick change between a water jacket and the perforated air cooling shroud so I can change it from a working water cooled that uses a ladder sight, to an air cooled that uses an antiaircraft style spider sight in a few minutes.
The air cooled model uses a windage drift adjustable (by tapping it left or right in its dovetail) M60 d rear sight that flips up and down, with the tall front sight being my design with a bead that screws out for elevation. The watercooled model uses a design of my own for its front sight that closely resembles a browning 1917 front sight while the rear sight on the watercooled is my design for modifying a 1917 enfield rifle's ladder sight to be able to effect windage. It also flips up and down under spring tension so you can use the battle sight arperture, or the ladder arperture.
These are just my own personal dress up stock prototypes for now but I would like to know what the firearms community's opinion is of them in case I decide to produce them in the future and that is why I am posting. These are not affiliated with Akins Group Inc in any way and I will not comment on any questions or comments related to Akins Group Inc or their product the Akins accelerator and I respectfully ask that no one hijack this thread to do so.
As to what any projected retail price will be if I did produce these dress up stocks, at this point I actually have no projection for that.
These are not in production, not on the shelf and I am not taking orders at this time. They are not for sale at this time and this is not an advertisement. I am simply asking for opinions from the firearms community on what they think of the concept and what I have created so far.
Here's pics and a link to videos of test firings. Sorry for the lighting in the videos, the indoor range was not well lit. Will take better outside videos soon. All opinions accepted for consideration. Please keep in mind the above features it accomplishes when stating your opinion and how it differs from features accomplished with any similar system.
Link to video test firings.
Link to still photos.
All finished except for rear sight height spacer. MWG 50 rd teardrop mag in gun
Rear sight height spacer completed & mounted. Watercooled totally finished
Another pic of rear sight height spacer finished. Watercooled model completed
Another shot of the same.
Prototype #1 air cooled finished. Very first attempt and first model made. Foldable & driftable M60d rear spider sight installed in shroud's dovetail base. Front sight my own design, bead unscrews for elevation. Future models will not have "tongue" projecting from fake shell receiver bottom front, and will be able to swap from air cooled to water cooled in a few minutes. BMF activator crankfire not installed in this photo.
Air cooled mounted on tripod adaptor and on M2 tripod with 25rd mag inserted. Front sight not yet made at that time and rear sight not installed yet & just sitting on fake shell receiver to give an idea. BMF activator crankfire installed.
Air cooled mounted on tripod adaptor and on 1928 colt/browning tripod. Front sight not yet made at that time and rear sight not installed yet & just sitting on fake shell receiver to give an idea. BMF activator crankfire installed. 50 rd MWG teardrop mag in gun partially hidden by belt of empty linked cartridges clipped onto ejection port strictly for fun and looks. From the right side it totally hides mag. Does same on watercooled. Will fire fine with belt clipped on. Makes people wonder what kind of gun it is! Lol.
Couple more pics.
|03-01-2009, 08:25 PM||#3|
Join Date: Feb 2008
Third, final, pre production water cooled Ruger 10/22 prototype.
PROVISIONAL PATENT PENDING.
The 3rd improved, pre production water cooled Ruger 10/22 prototype Browning style, machine gun dress up kit is coming along nicely and is almost finished.
This 3rd prototype of mine, incorporates all the things I learned in making the first two prototypes. It also has numerous improvements built into it.
As with the first two prototypes, it will be crank fired like a gatling gun using an accessory crank fire trigger attachment.
The same standardized aluminum stock, can be quick changed between being a Browning style air cooled 1919, to a 1917 TRULY water cooled model in just a minute. It also has a built in bolt recoil buffer and has a one inch longer receiver and water jacket that cools one inch more of the barrel than my previous water cooled prototype did. It also has a redesigned top cover as well as redesigned back and front fake receiver covers. It is the best of the three prototypes and incorporates all the good features of the first two prototypes, with simplification and improvements over them as well.
As with the first two prototypes, there is no modification to the Ruger 10/22 receiver in any way.
Below are some pictures taken yesterday of the 3rd prototype as it is progressing to an almost finished point. Hopefully it will be completely finished by next week or the week after that. Then it will be polished out and anodized.
Below, my friend Pete, holding it.
These are not yet for sale. There will be four of these built soon to start with. Cost has not yet been determined. Let me know if you want one and I will put you on a list to contact when they are done and we have pricing. You can contact me at Akins_Bill@yahoo.com
THE HEAVY BULL BARREL WILL COME WITH THE KIT. You will have to have your own Ruger 10/22 receiver and trigger group. We will have a mount that comes with the kit that allows you to attach the kit to a full size M2 tripod, the Browning 1917 or 1928 tripod and also an adapter block as an optional accessory to allow you to attach the kit to a standard camera tripod since not everyone has a machine gun tripod and the camera tripod works great. I use one on my air cooled prototype. You can find the "BMF activator" crank fire trigger attachment at Cabella's or other dealers online for an average of about $25.00
Last edited by Bill Akins; 03-02-2009 at 06:30 PM..
|03-02-2009, 11:16 AM||#4|
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: SW PA
Re: Watercooled tripod mounted 10-22
How is it going to cool once the water jacket is hot?
I see this posted on many forums.
Is this marketing or sharing info with others?
How much will these sell for?
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~Captain John Parker, to his Minute Men on Lexington Green, April 19, 1775.
Last edited by GunHugger; 03-02-2009 at 11:18 AM..
|03-02-2009, 11:51 AM||#5|
Join Date: Feb 2008
Re: Watercooled tripod mounted 10-22
The AVERAGE water cooled machine gun did not circulate the water through the water jacket, but used a steam chest. When the water heated up in the water jacket, it would go into a tube that would go to a can or "chest" where the steam would condense back into water and the can could be picked up allowing the water to gravity fall back into the water jacket.
That is the typical configuration of how most water cooled machine gun's water jackets worked. My water cooled Ruger likewise has a water inlet and outlet with a tube that goes to a can for the water to condense and cool and can be poured back into the water jacket just like the full size ones did. I can also easily hook another tube to my water inlet and attach an aquarium pump to that tube and also attach the other tube to the aquarium pump, and drop the pump into a bucket of water. Then I can also CIRCULATE water through the water jacket it necessary.
See how the Browning water cooled in this below pic has a steam tube that goes to the condensing can?
Now see the same tube on my water cooled Ruger below, going to a container in the same way as the Browning water cooled did?
See also below a cooling radiator I made from a heater core I sometimes use if I know I am going to be firing an extreme amount of rounds rapidly.
I did a lot of research on water cooling before I ever put pen to paper on designing these prototypes.
If you google up "water cooled machine gun steam chests", you can learn about how water cooled machine guns reclaimed their steam back into water.
None of these are currently for sale so for now I'm just sharing this with others. But they will be available for sale soon so if anyone is interested they can contact me at my e mail Akins_Bill@yahoo.com to be put on a contact list to contact them when they do become available since I cannot keep track of everyone's posted interest in forums, but can do so via my e mail.
When they are finally available, I will have pricing available.
Last edited by Bill Akins; 03-02-2009 at 11:57 AM..