FEMA calls Founding Fathers TERRORISTS - The Firearms Forum

45nut · 03-13-2009, 10:46 AM

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Some of the comments are downright nasty.... mean, not dirty.

islenos · 03-13-2009, 11:23 AM

Founding Fathers would have been Terrorists only if they were to loose their bid for Independence. Patriots if you win, Rebels and Terrorist if you loose.

Aside from that, I don't remember ever reading about the systematic assassination of British Officials .

Also the date stamp is 7/19/2001, Homeland Security wasn't conceived as of yet so who knows who the video is of.

topper · 03-13-2009, 12:16 PM

if it was not for those "terrorists" back then, we would not have freedom now. terrorism can be labeled by anyone toward anyone depending on point of view. apparently terrorism is used by some politicians in order to obtain more 'control' from the populance.

Big ugly · 03-13-2009, 05:41 PM

I know history and I know of Zero deth warrents sighned by Washinton or Jefferson aganst british officials. I do know of the manipulation of the media and the other things done but come on. We first need to find out who the dip-*&%$ was who was teaching that class and give his @$$ a true history lesson. My family was history, My Great Grandfather several generations back was the Swamp Fox Francis Marion. My family has been fighting for this country for hundreds of years. Terrorist comes in many forms and this D^%$ smoker is sohing the most basic form. PROPAGANDA!!!!!!

SaddleSarge · 03-13-2009, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by islenos

Founding Fathers would have been Terrorists only if they were to loose their bid for Independence. Patriots if you win, Rebels and Terrorist if you loose.

“Why, Mr. Dickinson, I’m surprised at you! You should know that rebellion is always legal in the first person – such as ‘our’ rebellion. It is only in the third person – ‘their’ rebellion – that it is illegal.” - Benjamin Franklin from the musical, "1776"

RunningOnMT · 03-14-2009, 05:52 PM

I do think a lot of what you view as terrorism depends on your perspective and who wins or loses. Wasn't Sherman's campaign terrorism of a sort? His "total war" on his march to the sea was an attempt to make the destruction so terrible and demoralizing that the south would lose the will to fight. It was calculated to make every southern man, woman, and child lose all hope. Fighting a war against soldiers is one thing but intentionally depriving women and children of food and shelter is quite another. So was it worth it to end the war sooner? I bet we'd have a wide range of opinions about that.

That said, I am a bit incensed about the comparison of our founders to the insane muslim terrorists we are facing today that take great joy in the suffering of their enemies. To them it isn't an ugly necessity of war but an act of pleasure. Damn them all to hell.

Vasily Zaytsev · 03-17-2009, 10:49 AM

Cutting down the cherry tree is a myth

Flintlocks were the first assult rifles

millwright · 03-17-2009, 04:13 PM

Strewth !! Shows a very poor grasp of the history of America. Most of the "colonists" were loyal to the Crown but, OTOH, the Crown wasn't very loyal to them.

The "Stamp Act" (no not for letters, dummies), prohibitions against domestic manufacture of all sorts of common tools like shovels f'r instance, gunpowder, ships etc. IOW the mother country wanted to keep its colony a captive market and supplier of essential raw materials. To that end it employed a number of methods. "Bond Slavery" was a way to guarantee new "plantations" in America had a continuing labor force to grow/harvest product for the "folks back home".

Surprised ? Yes, slavery has a long history in America - and not just among blacks - as anyone tracing their family tree can soon discover. [But Liberals don't want to talk about "white/bond slavery" - or that a very large segment of the American shipping economy voluntarily gave up a profitable black slave trade circa the 1820's , now do they ? ]

So the "Revolution", (and the rise of the so-called terrorists comes down to is English subjects protesting, (as was their traditional right) "special treatment" on the part of the Crown/Parliment discriminating against them.

As for the military aspects, one Englishman could have changed the course of world history. A Major Fergenson, armed with a breech loading rifle of his own inventionhad George Washington in his sights with yet declined to shoot, deeming it an "unchivilarous act". Major Fergenson later died on mountaintop in what is now SC. >MW

bcj1755 · 03-17-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by millwright

Strewth !! Shows a very poor grasp of the history of America. Most of the "colonists" were loyal to the Crown but, OTOH, the Crown wasn't very loyal to them.

The "Stamp Act" (no not for letters, dummies), prohibitions against domestic manufacture of all sorts of common tools like shovels f'r instance, gunpowder, ships etc. IOW the mother country wanted to keep its colony a captive market and supplier of essential raw materials. To that end it employed a number of methods. "Bond Slavery" was a way to guarantee new "plantations" in America had a continuing labor force to grow/harvest product for the "folks back home".

Surprised ? Yes, slavery has a long history in America - and not just among blacks - as anyone tracing their family tree can soon discover. [But Liberals don't want to talk about "white/bond slavery" - or that a very large segment of the American shipping economy voluntarily gave up a profitable black slave trade circa the 1820's , now do they ? ]

So the "Revolution", (and the rise of the so-called terrorists comes down to is English subjects protesting, (as was their traditional right) "special treatment" on the part of the Crown/Parliment discriminating against them.

As for the military aspects, one Englishman could have changed the course of world history. A Major Fergenson, armed with a breech loading rifle of his own inventionhad George Washington in his sights with yet declined to shoot, deeming it an "unchivilarous act". Major Fergenson later died on mountaintop in what is now SC. >MW

All true. As a side note, I've been to the King's Mountain battleground. Cowpens too. They're both within an hour of my house and are nice places in which to go and walk around and look and take in the history.

jim summers · 03-22-2009, 10:14 PM

I have heard some stupid stuff in my life time but i think this takes the cake. Not sure you can put any confidence in what FEMA says.

03-13-2009, 10:46 AM	#1
45nut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,428	FEMA calls Founding Fathers TERRORISTS you tube link here Some of the comments are downright nasty.... mean, not dirty. __________________ A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that. Shane Nemo me impune lacesset We recall the case of the Shoshone war band which showed up complete with one 30-30 rifle per man the week after Pearl Harbor, and simply wanted to have the enemy pointed out to them. "We hear there's a war going on and we want to go fight it." Jeff Cooper *KCCO* -->

03-13-2009, 11:23 AM	#2
islenos Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: West Texas Posts: 1,244	Re: FEMA calls Founding Fathers TERRORISTS Founding Fathers would have been Terrorists only if they were to loose their bid for Independence. Patriots if you win, Rebels and Terrorist if you loose. Aside from that, I don't remember ever reading about the systematic assassination of British Officials . Also the date stamp is 7/19/2001, Homeland Security wasn't conceived as of yet so who knows who the video is of. __________________ Last edited by islenos; 03-13-2009 at 11:27 AM..

03-13-2009, 12:16 PM	#3
topper Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: deep in the woods Posts: 748	Re: FEMA calls Founding Fathers TERRORISTS if it was not for those "terrorists" back then, we would not have freedom now. terrorism can be labeled by anyone toward anyone depending on point of view. apparently terrorism is used by some politicians in order to obtain more 'control' from the populance.

03-13-2009, 05:41 PM	#4
Big ugly Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Knoxville Tennessee Contributor Posts: 2,603	Re: FEMA calls Founding Fathers TERRORISTS I know history and I know of Zero deth warrents sighned by Washinton or Jefferson aganst british officials. I do know of the manipulation of the media and the other things done but come on. We first need to find out who the dip-*&%$ was who was teaching that class and give his @$$ a true history lesson. My family was history, My Great Grandfather several generations back was the Swamp Fox Francis Marion. My family has been fighting for this country for hundreds of years. Terrorist comes in many forms and this D^%$ smoker is sohing the most basic form. PROPAGANDA!!!!!! __________________ "You say the Devil made do it with a smile. Raisin' hell and howlin at the moon. Well I'm gonna put your @$$ back in line. I'm gonna scare the Devil out of you." BlackBerry Smoke Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R513dA4peMg Nothing is "proof" against a truly talented fool. Swanshot

03-14-2009, 05:52 PM	#6
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Re: FEMA calls Founding Fathers TERRORISTS I do think a lot of what you view as terrorism depends on your perspective and who wins or loses. Wasn't Sherman's campaign terrorism of a sort? His "total war" on his march to the sea was an attempt to make the destruction so terrible and demoralizing that the south would lose the will to fight. It was calculated to make every southern man, woman, and child lose all hope. Fighting a war against soldiers is one thing but intentionally depriving women and children of food and shelter is quite another. So was it worth it to end the war sooner? I bet we'd have a wide range of opinions about that. That said, I am a bit incensed about the comparison of our founders to the insane muslim terrorists we are facing today that take great joy in the suffering of their enemies. To them it isn't an ugly necessity of war but an act of pleasure. Damn them all to hell.

03-17-2009, 10:49 AM	#7
Vasily Zaytsev Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 72	Re: FEMA calls Founding Fathers TERRORISTS Cutting down the cherry tree is a myth Flintlocks were the first assult rifles

03-17-2009, 04:13 PM	#8
millwright Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,436	Re: FEMA calls Founding Fathers TERRORISTS Strewth !! Shows a very poor grasp of the history of America. Most of the "colonists" were loyal to the Crown but, OTOH, the Crown wasn't very loyal to them. The "Stamp Act" (no not for letters, dummies), prohibitions against domestic manufacture of all sorts of common tools like shovels f'r instance, gunpowder, ships etc. IOW the mother country wanted to keep its colony a captive market and supplier of essential raw materials. To that end it employed a number of methods. "Bond Slavery" was a way to guarantee new "plantations" in America had a continuing labor force to grow/harvest product for the "folks back home". Surprised ? Yes, slavery has a long history in America - and not just among blacks - as anyone tracing their family tree can soon discover. [But Liberals don't want to talk about "white/bond slavery" - or that a very large segment of the American shipping economy voluntarily gave up a profitable black slave trade circa the 1820's , now do they ? ] So the "Revolution", (and the rise of the so-called terrorists comes down to is English subjects protesting, (as was their traditional right) "special treatment" on the part of the Crown/Parliment discriminating against them. As for the military aspects, one Englishman could have changed the course of world history. A Major Fergenson, armed with a breech loading rifle of his own inventionhad George Washington in his sights with yet declined to shoot, deeming it an "unchivilarous act". Major Fergenson later died on mountaintop in what is now SC. >MW

03-22-2009, 10:14 PM	#10
jim summers Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: I reside in southern Indiana, you can almost step out of my back door and be setting on Patoka Lake Posts: 1,056	Re: FEMA calls Founding Fathers TERRORISTS I have heard some stupid stuff in my life time but i think this takes the cake. Not sure you can put any confidence in what FEMA says. __________________ To Whom Much Is Given, Much Is Required.