Alternative weapons - The Firearms Forum

ampaterry · 05-22-2009, 01:38 PM

OK, I just have to bring this up.
I have nunchucks, and enjoy flailing around with them.
I have a shogun sword that is a real hoot to slash imagined enemies with.
I have a three blade 'shredder' throwing knife that opens up when thrown, spinning like a lawn mower as it goes through the air.
I have half a dozen ninja throwing stars that I mess around with.

Now the question.
Does ANYONE actually use any of this crap against a genuine assailant?
I mean, the nunchucks sure would hurt, and the sword can do someone in, but the shredder and the throwing stars? It looks to me like they would just make someone mad if they got hit with them -

graehaven · 05-22-2009, 01:45 PM

Not to mention that a jury would convict you of manslaughter, or aggravated assault to use these as a defense mechanism. I could see the sword, if you didn't have a gun handy. Just remember, don't bring a knife/sword/blade to a gun fight.

The throwing knives and stars are fun, but that's about it.

As for the chucks, naw man, that means you're up close and personal. Distance is your friend. I'd rather have 30 inches of blade between myself and an attacker than those chucks. Just my humble opinion.

Of course, here in NY, you can't use/own any of that crap.

FTK87 · 05-22-2009, 02:46 PM

Just remember this, there is no such thing as a fair fight, if your in any danger, grab the nearest object that can be used to slash, stab, blugeon, impail, and so on and thats the end of the fight.

My 2 cents

Big ugly · 05-22-2009, 04:31 PM

I got a nice 34 ounce metal soft ball bat,

kutaho · 05-22-2009, 10:04 PM

Have you ever handled a marlin spike, used for working rope and cable.
I can pin a mans head to a tree with my marlin spike, A little known weapon of the high seas. argh..

Jimdo · 06-02-2009, 05:20 PM

I think that it is prolly more of a question of having 'chucks on your person when one needs 'em in a defensive situation. I don't know anyone ... ANYONE , who has ever daily carried a set of nunchucks.
Or a sword , throwing stars, etc. for that matter. Though the term 'alternative weapons' can embrace many, many things that have been used as weapons I'm sure.
When it hits the fan, use whatever ya can to defend yourself if your afraid that your life is in danger.

johnlives4christ · 06-02-2009, 06:24 PM

i keesterstash half a dozen ninja stars on a regular basis, i feel very well armed, and noone knows... although they think i might have messed myself by the way i walk

oscarmayer · 06-03-2009, 04:45 AM

keester-stash

TranterUK · 06-03-2009, 05:05 AM

I have no real opinion or experience of them, but at least one CQB instructor I know, an Israeli, speaks highly of the sword. It wont replace the 12g, but might make a good back up.

The big problem with most alternatives is that to be effective you need to put in a lot of practice. And practice is ony useful if you have had some decent instruction, much like firearms.

oscarmayer · 06-03-2009, 06:36 AM

most every american has pratice and experience with a louisville slugger

. and i have a asp ( retractable baton) i love that thing and it rides with me in the car between the console and the drivers seat.

ampaterry · 06-03-2009, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnlives4christ

i keesterstash half a dozen ninja stars on a regular basis, i feel very well armed, and noone knows... although they think i might have messed myself by the way i walk

That sounds a bit uncomfortable -

I have gone for walks with a pair of chucks draped around my neck, but more for one of the nieghbors nasty dogs than for human encounters.

My wife thinks a 66 year old guy walking down the road with nun-chucks looks sort of weird, though.
Perhaps it would look better if I wore my nice white gee and colored belt?

45nut · 06-03-2009, 08:48 AM

I like the samurai sword, but have no training in its use. I carry a Boker Automat Kalashnikov 74 clipped in my strong side back pocket. It's fast and sharp and quite handy. I need to get some more training with it though.

I like the ASP idea. They are very handy and deliver a lot of punch.

Just One Shot · 06-03-2009, 12:28 PM

As a teenager I was pretty proficient with a set of chucks and I carried them everywhere.

I had an incident where my girl friend (who is now my wife) and I were walking by the Senior High School after dark and 2 guys, who were standing on the steps to a side entrance, decided to make a comment about my girl.

I instructed her to keep walking as I turned around to face the 2 smart mouths. I pulled the chucks and did a few twirls around my body while moving towards them. Both guys saw that I wasn't in the mood for any of their crap and bolted through the door while offering an apology as they fled.

Don't be fooled into thinking that chucks aren't deadly. They can generate over 1300 lbs. of force which is more than enough to crush a skull or break a bone.

I still have a set somewhere but it's been a long time since I took the time to practice with them. As you know, practice is needed to keep up any self defense skill but I would venture to say that I could still dish out some pain with a set if I had to. Granted, some of the pain could end up being my own depending on just how rusty I am.

ampaterry · 06-03-2009, 01:54 PM

Good Job, Just One Shot!

They say learning is a painful experience.
I know for a fact that learning the Chucks from a book certainly is.

05-22-2009, 01:38 PM	#1
ampaterry TFF Admin Staff Chaplain Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: West Tennessee Contributor Posts: 6,378	Alternative weapons OK, I just have to bring this up. I have nunchucks, and enjoy flailing around with them. I have a shogun sword that is a real hoot to slash imagined enemies with. I have a three blade 'shredder' throwing knife that opens up when thrown, spinning like a lawn mower as it goes through the air. I have half a dozen ninja throwing stars that I mess around with. Now the question. Does ANYONE actually use any of this crap against a genuine assailant? I mean, the nunchucks sure would hurt, and the sword can do someone in, but the shredder and the throwing stars? It looks to me like they would just make someone mad if they got hit with them - __________________ Reason given by one of Obama's more intellectual supporters when asked why she voted for him: *"He gave me a PHONE!!"* -->

05-22-2009, 01:45 PM	#2
graehaven Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 2,853	Re: Alternative weapons Not to mention that a jury would convict you of manslaughter, or aggravated assault to use these as a defense mechanism. I could see the sword, if you didn't have a gun handy. Just remember, don't bring a knife/sword/blade to a gun fight. The throwing knives and stars are fun, but that's about it. As for the chucks, naw man, that means you're up close and personal. Distance is your friend. I'd rather have 30 inches of blade between myself and an attacker than those chucks. Just my humble opinion. Of course, here in NY, you can't use/own any of that crap. __________________ The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." - Thomas Jefferson RESISTANCE IS FEUDAL... PREPARE TO SERVE.

05-22-2009, 02:46 PM	#3
FTK87 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chouteau, Oklahoma Posts: 481	Re: Alternative weapons Just remember this, there is no such thing as a fair fight, if your in any danger, grab the nearest object that can be used to slash, stab, blugeon, impail, and so on and thats the end of the fight. My 2 cents

05-22-2009, 04:31 PM	#4
Big ugly Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Knoxville Tennessee Contributor Posts: 2,603	Re: Alternative weapons I got a nice 34 ounce metal soft ball bat, __________________ "You say the Devil made do it with a smile. Raisin' hell and howlin at the moon. Well I'm gonna put your @$$ back in line. I'm gonna scare the Devil out of you." BlackBerry Smoke Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R513dA4peMg Nothing is "proof" against a truly talented fool. Swanshot

05-22-2009, 10:04 PM	#5
kutaho Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Peoples Republic of the Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,852	Re: Alternative weapons Have you ever handled a marlin spike, used for working rope and cable. I can pin a mans head to a tree with my marlin spike, A little known weapon of the high seas. argh.. __________________ No man stands in the same river twice If all else fails grab a rock Mi Taku oyasin

06-02-2009, 05:20 PM	#6
Jimdo V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: So. IL. Posts: 51	Re: Alternative weapons I think that it is prolly more of a question of having 'chucks on your person when one needs 'em in a defensive situation. I don't know anyone ... ANYONE , who has ever daily carried a set of nunchucks. Or a sword , throwing stars, etc. for that matter. Though the term 'alternative weapons' can embrace many, many things that have been used as weapons I'm sure. When it hits the fan, use whatever ya can to defend yourself if your afraid that your life is in danger.

06-02-2009, 06:24 PM	#7
johnlives4christ Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,828	Re: Alternative weapons i keesterstash half a dozen ninja stars on a regular basis, i feel very well armed, and noone knows... although they think i might have messed myself by the way i walk

06-03-2009, 04:45 AM	#8
oscarmayer Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Contributor Posts: 2,387	Re: Alternative weapons keester-stash

06-03-2009, 05:05 AM	#9
TranterUK Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cambridge UK Posts: 5,103	Re: Alternative weapons I have no real opinion or experience of them, but at least one CQB instructor I know, an Israeli, speaks highly of the sword. It wont replace the 12g, but might make a good back up. The big problem with most alternatives is that to be effective you need to put in a lot of practice. And practice is ony useful if you have had some decent instruction, much like firearms. __________________ DVC - Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas - Accuracy, Power, Speed. The light at the end of the recession tunnel IS a train coming the other way! Last edited by TranterUK; 06-03-2009 at 05:07 AM..

06-03-2009, 06:36 AM	#10
oscarmayer Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Contributor Posts: 2,387	Re: Alternative weapons most every american has pratice and experience with a louisville slugger . and i have a asp ( retractable baton) i love that thing and it rides with me in the car between the console and the drivers seat.

06-03-2009, 08:48 AM	#12
45nut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,433	Re: Alternative weapons I like the samurai sword, but have no training in its use. I carry a Boker Automat Kalashnikov 74 clipped in my strong side back pocket. It's fast and sharp and quite handy. I need to get some more training with it though. I like the ASP idea. They are very handy and deliver a lot of punch. __________________ A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that. Shane Nemo me impune lacesset We recall the case of the Shoshone war band which showed up complete with one 30-30 rifle per man the week after Pearl Harbor, and simply wanted to have the enemy pointed out to them. "We hear there's a war going on and we want to go fight it." Jeff Cooper *KCCO* Last edited by 45nut; 06-03-2009 at 12:30 PM..

06-03-2009, 12:28 PM	#13
Just One Shot V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 432	Re: Alternative weapons As a teenager I was pretty proficient with a set of chucks and I carried them everywhere. I had an incident where my girl friend (who is now my wife) and I were walking by the Senior High School after dark and 2 guys, who were standing on the steps to a side entrance, decided to make a comment about my girl. I instructed her to keep walking as I turned around to face the 2 smart mouths. I pulled the chucks and did a few twirls around my body while moving towards them. Both guys saw that I wasn't in the mood for any of their crap and bolted through the door while offering an apology as they fled. Don't be fooled into thinking that chucks aren't deadly. They can generate over 1300 lbs. of force which is more than enough to crush a skull or break a bone. I still have a set somewhere but it's been a long time since I took the time to practice with them. As you know, practice is needed to keep up any self defense skill but I would venture to say that I could still dish out some pain with a set if I had to. Granted, some of the pain could end up being my own depending on just how rusty I am. Last edited by Just One Shot; 06-03-2009 at 12:33 PM..

06-03-2009, 01:54 PM	#14
ampaterry TFF Admin Staff Chaplain Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: West Tennessee Contributor Posts: 6,378	Re: Alternative weapons Good Job, Just One Shot! They say learning is a painful experience. I know for a fact that learning the Chucks from a book certainly is. __________________ Reason given by one of Obama's more intellectual supporters when asked why she voted for him: *"He gave me a PHONE!!"*