FBI to tax new firearms sells.

flannelman · 06-08-2009, 09:52 PM

http://www.gunlaws.com/fgogup.htm

FLORIDA ESCAPES NEW FEDERAL GUN TAX
FBI To Levy Tax By End Of Year

Only 20 States Exempted $13-$16 Applies to
Retail Gun Sales

Under the general banner of crime reduction, and citing the Brady law for its authority, the FBI plans to tax the retail sale of handguns and long guns, starting Nov. 30, if their new computer systems are ready in time. The proposed tax could generate $1 million per week nationally, based on the bureau's estimates. Detailed information is included in a report just issued by Phoenix-based Bloomfield Press, a book publisher specializing in gun law [Ed.: Summary of Findings on request and website].

Perhaps more significant than a surprising new tax from the Justice Department -- without any apparent Congressional approval -- is the FBI's announced plans to record complete identifying information on every person who purchases a firearm from a licensed dealer. Any regulation that requires such recording has been prohibited under the McClure-Volkmer Act since 1986. Neither the tax nor the gun-buyer registration scheme appear to be legal, according to Alan Korwin, co-author of The Florida Gun Owner's Guide. Korwin has written seven books on gun law. His Florida guide, released in February, has all the state's gun laws and is his latest.

The federal registration and tax plan are being rolled out under the guise of the National Instant Check System, required when Part 1 of the Brady law expires this year. Under Brady Part 2, all retail handgun and long gun sales will have to run through the system, which the FBI has based at its Clarksburg, W. Va., data center. They are hiring 500 people to handle the anticipated load.

The FBI intends to waive the tax for any state that sets up an FBI-approved central firearms clearance center. Florida's background check system has been approved, placing its state police under a degree of FBI control. In other states, each dealer will have to "enroll" with the FBI to legally make a sale, and pay the tax on every purchase. The Bureau will accept credit cards or will arrange to bill dealers, and those who don't pay (or are real late on the invoice) will be literally out of business. Several authorities have indicated that they expect enough clamor from the taxed dealers to compel their states to comply. When 100 Arizona dealers were told at a government meeting in June, that they would not be taxed, they cheered, apparently oblivious to the implications of federalizing their local police.

armedandsafe · 06-08-2009, 10:42 PM

They don't have to obey the law. They ARE the law. Just ask them.

Pops

Hardballer · 06-09-2009, 01:04 AM

Some day, there will be outrage. I hope it won't be to late.

ponycar17 · 06-09-2009, 05:52 AM

When their own dang studies show that criminals aren't buying guns legally, it's awful difficult to believe that this is being done for crime control...

45nut · 06-09-2009, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ponycar17

When their own dang studies show that criminals aren't buying guns legally, it's awful difficult to believe that this is being done for crime control...

Oh yeah, it's for crime control. For the future crime of speaking or acting against Fedzilla.

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Originally Posted by Hardballer

Some day, there will be outrage. I hope it won't be to late.

Lock and load brothers (& sisters) our time's coming.

cycloneman · 06-09-2009, 07:57 AM

Dont we pay taxes allready? Why do they need another tax to do their job?

user · 06-09-2009, 08:06 AM

I'd sure like to know what their authority is for the imposition of a tax. I don't believe anyone other than the Dept. of the Treasury can impose or collect taxes, and no executive agency can impose taxes without specific authorization from Congress. So I'd like to see where they get the idea they can levy a tax. And how they're going to get around the fact that all taxes must be paid into the general treasury, and using any money received without going through the Treasurer of the U.S. is a crime, misappropriation of federal funds.

RunningOnMT · 06-09-2009, 08:16 AM

This has to be a hoax. The constitution only permits congress to levy taxes. the F.B.I. simply does not have this authority. Think about it for a min...it's absurd.

Southern Boy · 06-09-2009, 08:30 AM

WOW a tax on the 2nd amendment. Dont think any other rights are taxed.

GMFWoodchuck · 06-09-2009, 09:18 AM

What kills me is how all of these agencies think they have juridiction over guns. DEA, ATF, FBI, IRS, and etc... It's getting to be a little stupid.

Trouble 45-70 · 06-09-2009, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by GMFWoodchuck

What kills me is how all of these agencies think they have juridiction over guns. DEA, ATF, FBI, IRS, and etc... It's getting to be a little stupid.

Not stupid. We gotem they wantem. They gaota getem before they can put the rest of their plan in place, what ever it is to enslave the nation. FBI is just a small cog in that machine.

bcj1755 · 06-09-2009, 09:41 AM

What's the date on that? The link says it's "older material."

The FBI does NOT have the authority to impose or levy taxes. Congress has the power to impose and levy taxes under the Constitution, not the Dept. of Justice. That's why BATFE (which is nothing but an overblown, bloated tax collection organization) was originally part of the Treasury Dept. Since BATFE is now part of DHS, would they still have authority to collect taxes? Hmmm...

Of course, I could see Barry trying to come up with some kind of scheme like this. Anything to generate more oney for his new socialism.

Hey Barry, get a clue you Kenyan Usurper...SOCIALISM SUCKS!!!!!!!

dark_falcon27 · 06-09-2009, 11:07 AM

I know here in Alabama (and many other states as well) a law has been passed that limits Federal Government intervention in the affairs of things such as guns laws and sales. Who knows, maybe this will all turn into a States Rights issue all over again. Circa 1861-1865?

armedandsafe · 06-09-2009, 11:58 AM

Hmmm I thought the "older material" was a link to previous pages in that site. I'll have to go look again, I guess.

Pops

armedandsafe · 06-09-2009, 12:07 PM

This is, indeed older news. I got fooled by it as well. The original "It's a Crime, Bill" called for a 5 day waiting period, but was replaced by the NICS system in 1998. That is when the article above was written. Below from Wiki.

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The five-day waiting period for handgun purchases expired on November 30, 1998 and was replaced by a computerized criminal background check prior to any firearm purchase from a dealer holding a Federal Firearms License (FFL). All dealers, manufacturers and importers must verify the identity of a non-FFL customer and receive authorization from the National Instant Check System (NICS) which often takes only minutes instead of the several-day waiting period. In April 2009, the FBI announced it had completed its 100 millionth NICS approval since its inception 10 years before.[5]

Pops

flannelman · 06-09-2009, 04:57 PM

When I found this I didn't have time to dig deeper. Thanks for the update Pops.

dbrodin · 06-09-2009, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by flannelman

When I found this I didn't have time to dig deeper. Thanks for the update Pops.

Until you dig, you never know. This is the kind of thing they would try. When I read your post without following the link I assumed that it was some kind of fee they were imposing, and the author was calling a spade a spade, and calling it a tax.

Dale

bcj1755 · 06-09-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dbrodin

Until you dig, you never know. This is the kind of thing they would try. When I read your post without following the link I assumed that it was some kind of fee they were imposing, and the author was calling a spade a spade, and calling it a tax.

Dale

Exactly. It would not suprise me one bit if Barry and his closet-commie cronies dug this up and tried it again.

06-08-2009, 09:52 PM	#1
flannelman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rural Arkansas. But isn't all of Arkansas rural? Posts: 1,176	FBI to tax new firearms sells. http://www.gunlaws.com/fgogup.htm FLORIDA ESCAPES NEW FEDERAL GUN TAX FBI To Levy Tax By End Of Year Only 20 States Exempted $13-$16 Applies to Retail Gun Sales Under the general banner of crime reduction, and citing the Brady law for its authority, the FBI plans to tax the retail sale of handguns and long guns, starting Nov. 30, if their new computer systems are ready in time. The proposed tax could generate $1 million per week nationally, based on the bureau's estimates. Detailed information is included in a report just issued by Phoenix-based Bloomfield Press, a book publisher specializing in gun law [Ed.: Summary of Findings on request and website]. Perhaps more significant than a surprising new tax from the Justice Department -- without any apparent Congressional approval -- is the FBI's announced plans to record complete identifying information on every person who purchases a firearm from a licensed dealer. Any regulation that requires such recording has been prohibited under the McClure-Volkmer Act since 1986. Neither the tax nor the gun-buyer registration scheme appear to be legal, according to Alan Korwin, co-author of The Florida Gun Owner's Guide. Korwin has written seven books on gun law. His Florida guide, released in February, has all the state's gun laws and is his latest. The federal registration and tax plan are being rolled out under the guise of the National Instant Check System, required when Part 1 of the Brady law expires this year. Under Brady Part 2, all retail handgun and long gun sales will have to run through the system, which the FBI has based at its Clarksburg, W. Va., data center. They are hiring 500 people to handle the anticipated load. The FBI intends to waive the tax for any state that sets up an FBI-approved central firearms clearance center. Florida's background check system has been approved, placing its state police under a degree of FBI control. In other states, each dealer will have to "enroll" with the FBI to legally make a sale, and pay the tax on every purchase. The Bureau will accept credit cards or will arrange to bill dealers, and those who don't pay (or are real late on the invoice) will be literally out of business. Several authorities have indicated that they expect enough clamor from the taxed dealers to compel their states to comply. When 100 Arizona dealers were told at a government meeting in June, that they would not be taxed, they cheered, apparently oblivious to the implications of federalizing their local police. __________________ What we do in life echoes in eternity! **** Liberals, they make about as much sense as a screen door on a submarine. If you want to be a looser the best way to get there is to hang around with other loosers. -->

06-08-2009, 10:42 PM	#2
armedandsafe Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Moses Lake, WA Posts: 10,344	Re: FBI to tax new firearms sells. They don't have to obey the law. They ARE the law. Just ask them. Pops

06-09-2009, 01:04 AM	#3
Hardballer V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Smack dab in da middle Posts: 471	Re: FBI to tax new firearms sells. Some day, there will be outrage. I hope it won't be to late.

06-09-2009, 05:52 AM	#4
ponycar17 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Carolina Contributor Posts: 4,884	Re: FBI to tax new firearms sells. When their own dang studies show that criminals aren't buying guns legally, it's awful difficult to believe that this is being done for crime control... __________________ Arm yourself with intellectual Ammunition! Gunfacts 5.1 Myth-Busting Facts JustFacts.com on Gun Control Stopping Power, the Downloadable Book

06-09-2009, 07:57 AM	#6
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,397	Re: FBI to tax new firearms sells. Dont we pay taxes allready? Why do they need another tax to do their job? __________________ Who are you going to serve today?

06-09-2009, 08:06 AM	#7
user Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northern piedmont of Va. and Middle of Nowhere, West Virginia Posts: 1,013	Re: FBI to tax new firearms sells. I'd sure like to know what their authority is for the imposition of a tax. I don't believe anyone other than the Dept. of the Treasury can impose or collect taxes, and no executive agency can impose taxes without specific authorization from Congress. So I'd like to see where they get the idea they can levy a tax. And how they're going to get around the fact that all taxes must be paid into the general treasury, and using any money received without going through the Treasurer of the U.S. is a crime, misappropriation of federal funds. __________________ ===== Daniel L. Hawes - 540 347 2430 - HTTP://www.VirginiaLegalDefense.com By the way, nothing I say on this website as "user" should be taken as either advertising for attorney services or legal advice. Everyone having a question regarding the application of law to the facts of their situation should seek the advice of an attorney competent in the subject matter of the issues presented and licensed to practice in the relevant state.

06-09-2009, 08:16 AM	#8
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Re: FBI to tax new firearms sells. This has to be a hoax. The constitution only permits congress to levy taxes. the F.B.I. simply does not have this authority. Think about it for a min...it's absurd.

06-09-2009, 08:30 AM	#9
Southern Boy V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 110	Re: FBI to tax new firearms sells. WOW a tax on the 2nd amendment. Dont think any other rights are taxed. __________________ "The 2nd Amendment is my "concealed carry permit"" Ted Nugent

06-09-2009, 09:18 AM	#10
GMFWoodchuck Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Binghamton, NY Posts: 1,369	Re: FBI to tax new firearms sells. What kills me is how all of these agencies think they have juridiction over guns. DEA, ATF, FBI, IRS, and etc... It's getting to be a little stupid.

06-09-2009, 09:41 AM	#12
bcj1755 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: A wretched hive of scum and villiany Posts: 4,357	Re: FBI to tax new firearms sells. What's the date on that? The link says it's "older material." The FBI does NOT have the authority to impose or levy taxes. Congress has the power to impose and levy taxes under the Constitution, not the Dept. of Justice. That's why BATFE (which is nothing but an overblown, bloated tax collection organization) was originally part of the Treasury Dept. Since BATFE is now part of DHS, would they still have authority to collect taxes? Hmmm... Of course, I could see Barry trying to come up with some kind of scheme like this. Anything to generate more oney for his new socialism. Hey Barry, get a clue you Kenyan Usurper...SOCIALISM SUCKS!!!!!!! __________________ History is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace, and revolution continue on forever. Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges - Cicero If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. - Samuel Adams

06-09-2009, 11:07 AM	#13
dark_falcon27 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Auburn, Al Posts: 90	Re: FBI to tax new firearms sells. I know here in Alabama (and many other states as well) a law has been passed that limits Federal Government intervention in the affairs of things such as guns laws and sales. Who knows, maybe this will all turn into a States Rights issue all over again. Circa 1861-1865? __________________ "He who stays on the defensive does not make war, he endures it" "...Blessed be the Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle" Psalm 144:1

06-09-2009, 11:58 AM	#14
armedandsafe Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Moses Lake, WA Posts: 10,344	Re: FBI to tax new firearms sells. Hmmm I thought the "older material" was a link to previous pages in that site. I'll have to go look again, I guess. Pops

06-09-2009, 04:57 PM	#16
flannelman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rural Arkansas. But isn't all of Arkansas rural? Posts: 1,176	Re: FBI to tax new firearms sells. When I found this I didn't have time to dig deeper. Thanks for the update Pops. __________________ What we do in life echoes in eternity! **** Liberals, they make about as much sense as a screen door on a submarine. If you want to be a looser the best way to get there is to hang around with other loosers.