Attn NY! Micro-Stamping Bill Tomorrow!! - The Firearms Forum

SaddleSarge · 06-01-2009, 05:19 PM

New York: Micro-Stamping Bill To Be Heard In Senate Codes Committee Tomorrow!

Monday, June 01, 2009

Contact Your State Senator Immediately!

Senate Bill 4397, sponsored by State Senator Eric Schneiderman (D-31), is a bill that would ban the sale of all semi-automatic handguns not equipped with micro-stamping technology.

Micro-stamping is an unproven technology that would require unique identifying information from the firearm, including the make, model, and serial number to be etched into the firing pin and breech face in such a manner that those identifiers are imprinted on the cartridge case upon firing. The technology can easily be defeated with common household tools, has no public safety value, and adds substantially to the cost of the firearm.

If S4397 is passed, it will become ILLEGAL to sell or transfer any semi-automatic pistol that is not capable of micro-stamping. This would mean that any semi-automatic handgun that you currently own could never be sold or transferred in New York. This would ban the sale of used semi-automatic handguns without the technology and would prohibit estates from bequeathing semi-automatic handguns that do not include micro-stamping technology.

No manufacturers currently incorporate micro-stamping technology in their firearms, which would result in a de facto ban on all semi-automatic handguns in New York if this legislation passes.

It’s companion bill, Assembly Bill 6468, sponsored by State Assemblywoman Michelle Schimel (D-16), has already passed the Assembly Floor.

S4397 has been added to the Senate Codes Committee agenda for tomorrow, Tuesday June 2 at 10:30 A.M.

It is critical that you contact members your State Senator TODAY and respectfully urge them to OPPOSE this measure! Your State Senator can be contacted through the Senate switchboard at (518) 455-2800. To find your State Senator, please click here.

dge479 · 06-03-2009, 06:35 PM

did this pass or fail??

Marlin T · 06-04-2009, 01:22 PM

Kimber Mfg., Inc. Opposes Microstamping Legislation Proposed by NY State General Assembly

YONKERS, N.Y., June 3 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Given what is known today about microstamping technology, Kimber Mfg. is opposed to the microstamping legislation proposed by the NY State General Assembly.

Microstamping is a patented technology which purportedly allows a manufacturer to laser-engrave a firearm's make, model and serial number on the firing pin of each firearm. Independent study of this technology has been unable to substantiate its efficacy. In fact, studies have shown that the technology is flawed and requires further testing, analysis, and evaluation.

In addition, Kimber is unaware of any study or findings that show microstamping technology to be an effective means of reducing the criminal misuse of firearms.

And finally, in the event this technology is deployed it would likely increase costs and compromise our ability to provide the same level of full benefit manufacturing jobs in the State of New York.

Company information is available at www.kimberamerica.com.

SOURCE Kimber Mfg., Inc.

graehaven · 06-04-2009, 02:47 PM

STATUS:
S4397-A SCHNEIDERMAN Same as A 6468-A Schimel (MS)
Penal Law
TITLE....Requires semiautomatic pistols manufactured or delivered to any licensed dealer in this state to be capable of microstamping ammunition

04/22/09 REFERRED TO CODES
06/02/09 1ST REPORT CAL.572
06/03/09 AMENDED 4397A
06/03/09 2ND REPORT CAL.
06/04/09 ADVANCED TO THIRD READING

graehaven · 06-04-2009, 02:50 PM

Third reading...

ß 2. Reading of bills. a. Every bill shall receive three readings previ-
ous to its being passed.

b. Upon the third reading of a bill, the question upon its final passage
shall be taken immediately thereafter; provided, however, that any bill may
be committed prior to the final reading thereof.

ß 3. Third reading calendar. a. The Calendar of bills on the order of
third reading shall consist of all bills which have been advanced to a
third reading from the order of second report or the order of special
report.

Basically, it's ready to come to a vote now.

Bobitis · 06-04-2009, 06:23 PM

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought the process was applied to the ammo, not the firearm.

In either case, the sheer stupidity/ignorance of anyone that would vote for this is mind numbing.

Tony22-250 · 06-05-2009, 01:21 PM

It is a proven fact that Micro stamping on firing pins does not work! you can file down the micro stamping with out affecting the function of the firearm! or just simply replace the firing pin....

graehaven · 06-05-2009, 01:24 PM

This is NY! Legislators here don't care about facts. Don't confuse them with facts, that just screws up their stupid ideology!

Trouble 45-70 · 06-05-2009, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobitis

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought the process was applied to the ammo, not the firearm.

In either case, the sheer stupidity/ignorance of anyone that would vote for this is mind numbing.

Stupidity/ignorance have nothing to do with it. Harassment and failure to comply is the crux of the matter. Gun control by any means available. Vote against anyone who votes for stuff like this and spread the word.

alhefner · 06-06-2009, 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trouble 45-70

Stupidity/ignorance have nothing to do with it. Harassment and failure to comply is the crux of the matter. Gun control by any means available. Vote against anyone who votes for stuff like this and spread the word.

10-4!

dbrodin · 06-09-2009, 06:43 PM

I read this morning that two Democrats in the New York Senate changed sides and all bills are uncertain for a while.

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=4952

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...rol-of-senate/

Dale

06-01-2009, 05:19 PM	#1
SaddleSarge Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,025	Attn NY! Micro-Stamping Bill Tomorrow!! New York: Micro-Stamping Bill To Be Heard In Senate Codes Committee Tomorrow! Monday, June 01, 2009 Contact Your State Senator Immediately! Senate Bill 4397, sponsored by State Senator Eric Schneiderman (D-31), is a bill that would ban the sale of all semi-automatic handguns not equipped with micro-stamping technology. Micro-stamping is an unproven technology that would require unique identifying information from the firearm, including the make, model, and serial number to be etched into the firing pin and breech face in such a manner that those identifiers are imprinted on the cartridge case upon firing. The technology can easily be defeated with common household tools, has no public safety value, and adds substantially to the cost of the firearm. If S4397 is passed, it will become ILLEGAL to sell or transfer any semi-automatic pistol that is not capable of micro-stamping. This would mean that any semi-automatic handgun that you currently own could never be sold or transferred in New York. This would ban the sale of used semi-automatic handguns without the technology and would prohibit estates from bequeathing semi-automatic handguns that do not include micro-stamping technology. No manufacturers currently incorporate micro-stamping technology in their firearms, which would result in a de facto ban on all semi-automatic handguns in New York if this legislation passes. It’s companion bill, Assembly Bill 6468, sponsored by State Assemblywoman Michelle Schimel (D-16), has already passed the Assembly Floor. S4397 has been added to the Senate Codes Committee agenda for tomorrow, Tuesday June 2 at 10:30 A.M. It is critical that you contact members your State Senator TODAY and respectfully urge them to OPPOSE this measure! Your State Senator can be contacted through the Senate switchboard at (518) 455-2800. To find your State Senator, please click here. -->

06-03-2009, 06:35 PM	#2
dge479 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Haskell NJ Posts: 618	Re: Attn NY! Micro-Stamping Bill Tomorrow!! did this pass or fail?? __________________ Proud GOA and NRA member. Old Mopars and Guns, About as good as it gets. Guns Dont Kill, Socialized Healthcare does

06-04-2009, 01:22 PM	#3
Marlin T Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Mexico Posts: 7,857	Re: Attn NY! Micro-Stamping Bill Tomorrow!! Kimber Mfg., Inc. Opposes Microstamping Legislation Proposed by NY State General Assembly YONKERS, N.Y., June 3 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Given what is known today about microstamping technology, Kimber Mfg. is opposed to the microstamping legislation proposed by the NY State General Assembly. Microstamping is a patented technology which purportedly allows a manufacturer to laser-engrave a firearm's make, model and serial number on the firing pin of each firearm. Independent study of this technology has been unable to substantiate its efficacy. In fact, studies have shown that the technology is flawed and requires further testing, analysis, and evaluation. In addition, Kimber is unaware of any study or findings that show microstamping technology to be an effective means of reducing the criminal misuse of firearms. And finally, in the event this technology is deployed it would likely increase costs and compromise our ability to provide the same level of full benefit manufacturing jobs in the State of New York. Company information is available at www.kimberamerica.com. SOURCE Kimber Mfg., Inc. __________________ "But the simple truth--born of experience--is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people." Judge Alex Kozinski - United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. - Thomas Paine Did you read todays GOOD shooting? >>>KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM <<<

06-04-2009, 02:47 PM	#4
graehaven Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 2,853	Re: Attn NY! Micro-Stamping Bill Tomorrow!! STATUS: S4397-A SCHNEIDERMAN Same as A 6468-A Schimel (MS) Penal Law TITLE....Requires semiautomatic pistols manufactured or delivered to any licensed dealer in this state to be capable of microstamping ammunition 04/22/09 REFERRED TO CODES 06/02/09 1ST REPORT CAL.572 06/03/09 AMENDED 4397A 06/03/09 2ND REPORT CAL. 06/04/09 ADVANCED TO THIRD READING __________________ The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." - Thomas Jefferson RESISTANCE IS FEUDAL... PREPARE TO SERVE.

06-04-2009, 02:50 PM	#5
graehaven Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 2,853	Re: Attn NY! Micro-Stamping Bill Tomorrow!! Third reading... ß 2. Reading of bills. a. Every bill shall receive three readings previ- ous to its being passed. b. Upon the third reading of a bill, the question upon its final passage shall be taken immediately thereafter; provided, however, that any bill may be committed prior to the final reading thereof. ß 3. Third reading calendar. a. The Calendar of bills on the order of third reading shall consist of all bills which have been advanced to a third reading from the order of second report or the order of special report. Basically, it's ready to come to a vote now. __________________ The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." - Thomas Jefferson RESISTANCE IS FEUDAL... PREPARE TO SERVE.

06-04-2009, 06:23 PM	#6
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: Attn NY! Micro-Stamping Bill Tomorrow!! Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought the process was applied to the ammo, not the firearm. In either case, the sheer stupidity/ignorance of anyone that would vote for this is mind numbing. __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

06-05-2009, 01:21 PM	#7
Tony22-250 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Snellville, GA Posts: 1,146	Re: Attn NY! Micro-Stamping Bill Tomorrow!! It is a proven fact that Micro stamping on firing pins does not work! you can file down the micro stamping with out affecting the function of the firearm! or just simply replace the firing pin.... __________________ Bullets change governments far surer than votes. The most powerful weapon you can buy isn't a .50 caliber. It's a Senate Seat.... "When injustice becomes law, then resistance becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson

06-05-2009, 01:24 PM	#8
graehaven Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 2,853	Re: Attn NY! Micro-Stamping Bill Tomorrow!! This is NY! Legislators here don't care about facts. Don't confuse them with facts, that just screws up their stupid ideology! __________________ The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." - Thomas Jefferson RESISTANCE IS FEUDAL... PREPARE TO SERVE.

06-09-2009, 06:43 PM	#11
dbrodin V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Duluth MN Posts: 426	Re: Attn NY! Micro-Stamping Bill Tomorrow!! I read this morning that two Democrats in the New York Senate changed sides and all bills are uncertain for a while. http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=4952 http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...rol-of-senate/ Dale