1911 Made for Camp Perry - The Firearms Forum

ysacres · 03-07-2003, 08:04 PM

stanmail
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(8/1/02 12:27:17 am)
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Hey guys, I'm new but I've corresponded with some of you and I know there's no finer on earth.
I'm waiting out the Brady period before taking home a 1911 Government Model which was bought by a policeman for target shooting and on-the-job in 1950-something. He had it expertly set up as a National-Match-like and took it to Camp Perry for the trials 40 years ago, and he sold it to me with the "Welcome to Camp Perry" and other documents because he was proud to remember his and the pistol's past. Tells a profound story.
Purportedly, the gun has not been fired since Camp Perry and may have been "tuned up" by some expert smith established enough to have left a mark inside the action.
Question is: can I treat this pistol as a "shooter" or is it better to set it aside as a collector's goodie. Should I have someone check it out to help me make that decision? I've got a good pistol to take to the range now, but I've wanted John M. Browning's best for awhile. I could wait and buy another 1911/1911A1 sometime, but not now sez the Mrs.
Thanks for your helpful insights.

ladr
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(8/1/02 9:18:46 am)
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Shoot it.
NO GUTS NO GLORY

Zigzag2
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(8/1/02 11:56:23 am)
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it was built to shoot

what ladr said...

SHOOT IT!
In this age where truth is fleeting and mass manipulation is common, the ability to detect when something doesn't make sense is a valuable one.

stanmail
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(8/1/02 3:57:04 pm)
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Thanks for your opinions!
I'm inclined to agree. there are firearms appropriate to collect and not fire, but this tackdriver (like my dog) is just a great mutt.

LIKTOSHOOT
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(8/1/02 5:08:50 pm)
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If he gave you all the history, but made no claim of the smith, then shoot it. Now if you crack it open and it has Swenson stamped inside the slide......shoot it carefully. LTS

stanmail
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(8/1/02 5:28:34 pm)
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I haven't taken the pistol home yet. This fellow lived in Pennsylvania and seems like he had the best smith he could find install the N.M. barrel/bushing, adjustable trigger, fixed sights, and I'm not sure what was done inside the slide, of course. The name Paul Jagaer came up but I'm not sure Jaeger did pistols.
I'll share what I learn, but I'm still inclined to see if it shoots tighter groups than my old Browning Medalist. No doubt it shoots tighter groups than me.

Xracer
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(8/7/02 8:31:18 am)
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I'd say shoot it.......but treat it very well.

stanmail
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(8/8/02 2:08:44 pm)
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I'm inclined to agree.
Still don't have the pistol in my posession. I'm looking forward to seeing what marks are on the slide inside it. There were many skilled gunsmiths who set up these pieces 40 years ago, but the concensus is that modern versions surpass their best efforts.
Thanks for your replies.

Tac401
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Glad to see you finally got yourself that 45 Stan!
TFF VMBB Email Tac

stanmail
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(8/9/02 2:53:00 am)
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Thanks Tac! I looked at about 500 of 'em but only saw 350 or so that I wanted, you know.

03-07-2003, 08:04 PM	#1
ysacres Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Wazzu WA Posts: 2,413	1911 Made for Camp Perry stanmail Member Posts: 6 (8/1/02 12:27:17 am) Reply 1911 Made for Camp Perry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey guys, I'm new but I've corresponded with some of you and I know there's no finer on earth. I'm waiting out the Brady period before taking home a 1911 Government Model which was bought by a policeman for target shooting and on-the-job in 1950-something. He had it expertly set up as a National-Match-like and took it to Camp Perry for the trials 40 years ago, and he sold it to me with the "Welcome to Camp Perry" and other documents because he was proud to remember his and the pistol's past. Tells a profound story. Purportedly, the gun has not been fired since Camp Perry and may have been "tuned up" by some expert smith established enough to have left a mark inside the action. Question is: can I treat this pistol as a "shooter" or is it better to set it aside as a collector's goodie. Should I have someone check it out to help me make that decision? I've got a good pistol to take to the range now, but I've wanted John M. Browning's best for awhile. I could wait and buy another 1911/1911A1 sometime, but not now sez the Mrs. Thanks for your helpful insights. ladr Member Posts: 27 (8/1/02 9:18:46 am) Reply Re: 1911 Made for Camp Perry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shoot it. NO GUTS NO GLORY Zigzag2 TFF Senior Staff Posts: 3946 (8/1/02 11:56:23 am) Reply Re: 1911 Made for Camp Perry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- it was built to shoot what ladr said... SHOOT IT! In this age where truth is fleeting and mass manipulation is common, the ability to detect when something doesn't make sense is a valuable one. stanmail Member Posts: 7 (8/1/02 3:57:04 pm) Reply 1911 Made for Camp Perry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for your opinions! I'm inclined to agree. there are firearms appropriate to collect and not fire, but this tackdriver (like my dog) is just a great mutt. LIKTOSHOOT TFF Senior Staff Posts: 5599 (8/1/02 5:08:50 pm) Reply Re: 1911 Made for Camp Perry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If he gave you all the history, but made no claim of the smith, then shoot it. Now if you crack it open and it has Swenson stamped inside the slide......shoot it carefully. LTS stanmail Member Posts: 8 (8/1/02 5:28:34 pm) Reply 1911 Made for Camp Perry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I haven't taken the pistol home yet. This fellow lived in Pennsylvania and seems like he had the best smith he could find install the N.M. barrel/bushing, adjustable trigger, fixed sights, and I'm not sure what was done inside the slide, of course. The name Paul Jagaer came up but I'm not sure Jaeger did pistols. I'll share what I learn, but I'm still inclined to see if it shoots tighter groups than my old Browning Medalist. No doubt it shoots tighter groups than me. Xracer TFF Senior Staff Posts: 2538 (8/7/02 8:31:18 am) Reply Re: 1911 Made for Camp Perry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd say shoot it.......but treat it very well. stanmail Member Posts: 9 (8/8/02 2:08:44 pm) Reply Re: 1911 Made for Camp Perry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm inclined to agree. Still don't have the pistol in my posession. I'm looking forward to seeing what marks are on the slide inside it. There were many skilled gunsmiths who set up these pieces 40 years ago, but the concensus is that modern versions surpass their best efforts. Thanks for your replies. Tac401 Administrator Posts: 5659 (8/8/02 3:06:18 pm) Reply Re: 1911 Made for Camp Perry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Glad to see you finally got yourself that 45 Stan! TFF VMBB Email Tac stanmail Member Posts: 10 (8/9/02 2:53:00 am) Reply Re: 1911 Made for Camp Perry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks Tac! I looked at about 500 of 'em but only saw 350 or so that I wanted, you know. -->