The Net has ears and eyes. - The Firearms Forum

Haligan · 06-25-2009, 06:40 AM

Ok, we all know people are watching what is posted online.

This is more proof.
I'm not condoning anything, defending anything, suggesting anything. All I'm saying is WATCH WHAT YOU SAY ONLINE.
You can see what kind of a "fair" report your gonna get from the mainstream media. And all the little medias as well.
http://www.app.com/article/20090624/...24100/1001/rss

Prosecutors quoted a Turner Internet posting as saying: "Let me be the first......."

45nut · 06-25-2009, 07:59 AM

Well Duh, how can he not expect the alphabets to show up after those comments. It just proves that morons exist in all cultures.

TranterUK · 06-25-2009, 08:22 AM

Without judging a guy, who has said publicly certain people should be killed, I think we should all keep in mind what we write can be read by anyone, anywhere. From your local Fed to an Intel officer in N Korea.

Best kept in mind.

cycloneman · 06-25-2009, 08:41 AM

I have even heard of people getting picked up after saying something stupid in a bar. Most of what people say is just stupid talk and fustration and there is nothing real to it but some people take it too seriously.

carver · 06-25-2009, 08:42 AM

And I might add that what is written on forums can, and may be, interpreted in several different ways!

mrkirker · 06-25-2009, 08:47 AM

All in all, it never hurts that everyone be reminded!
Thanks, Haligan!

cycloneman · 06-25-2009, 08:50 AM

Let me just go on the record and say i love all our elected officials, they are the best thing since sliced bread.

Southern Boy · 06-25-2009, 09:07 AM

Presenting your opinion about what someone deserves is not a crime. However when you give adresses, maps, and bring up a similar crime; you have crossed the line.What did this guy think was gonna happen? Now if some nutjob out there does the deed, his head is gonna roll along with the nutjob. Good post though, it reminds us of that line in the sand.

TranterUK · 06-25-2009, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cycloneman

Let me just go on the record and say i love all our elected officials, they are the best thing since sliced bread.

Well said. I might add the authorities here in Spain are also really nice guys, in case they are reading this, bonshure monsures.

mrkirker · 06-25-2009, 09:30 AM

I love my gubbermint, too!

Trouble 45-70 · 06-25-2009, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Southern Boy

Presenting your opinion about what someone deserves is not a crime. However when you give adresses, maps, and bring up a similar crime; you have crossed the line.What did this guy think was gonna happen? Now if some nutjob out there does the deed, his head is gonna roll along with the nutjob. Good post though, it reminds us of that line in the sand.

Kind of like ACORN?

SaddleSarge · 06-25-2009, 12:26 PM

Yes, a good reminder of unintended results when venting.

However, point to ponder....would as much attention be paid if the same thing was said about an accused murderer who was pending or on trial, or pending culmination of sentence? "Mr. "X" derserves to die." I think not. This is politically charged and trying to be equated to shouting "fire" in a theater.

Police officers have also reaped such for venting, it gets brought out in court and they either lose the case or get sued for that venting that they really didn't mean. There was a fairly recent case/example of this in New York (I think it was).

armedandsafe · 06-25-2009, 01:48 PM

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but some people take it too seriously.

I agree with that statement.

However, having worked for a couple of 3-letters, I understand that some people HAVE to take some things seriously. Fat-mouthing can bring you some serious questioning. Posting intent, ways and means, and advocating beyond just "I'm POed and won't take it any longer" will get you a lot of attention.

Pops

Marlin T · 06-25-2009, 06:45 PM

another long post edited and deleted.

Big ugly · 06-25-2009, 07:14 PM

I will say that this feller should have known better. As far as me, I am not pleased with the way our government is ran. YOU READING THIS FREDDIE THE FED I AM NOT HAPPY, TELL YOUR SUPERIORS TO START USING LUBE CUZ MY BUTTHOLE HURTS. However I do not want to see people offed in mass numbers to fix it either. Mabbe just remove them from power for a while and take away their creditcards, and privlidges. I dont like feeding WHO DAT,s lobster with my tax money. Its the damn whitehouse for crist sake move the cluckin mother in law out jerkoffs I aint feedin this hooker better than my family eats. That nag does not deserve it. Freddie I own guns and I am PISSED OFF. But I have not nor will not threaten nobody.

Bobitis · 06-25-2009, 07:34 PM

The way I read it, 'crying fire' in a crowded theater is akin to threatening bodily harm. People would be hurt in the ensueing rampage to the exits.

I can get angry and spout off to take you to court. No physical harm in that. I can get po'd about your dog crapping in my yard and claim I'm calling the pound. I can threaten to call the cops cuz you're making too much noise.
Again, no bodily harm or destruction of property.

However, when someone says 'someone should die, or 'burn their house down'', I have a problem with that.

If this guy made the same statements against you or your family, how would you feel? Threatened perhaps? Should the Judge feel less intimidated?

Seriously, what is the point of a restraining order?
Some get caught, some don't. Do YOU wanna be the one at the butt end of the one that gets missed?

Marlin T · 06-25-2009, 10:27 PM

Sorry, did it again.
Self edit

Hardballer · 06-26-2009, 12:05 AM

The only threat I have spoken of is the threat to the United States Constitution. The promise I make is to defend the United States Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

SaddleSarge · 06-26-2009, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobitis

However, when someone says 'someone should die, or 'burn their house down'', I have a problem with that.

Absolutely. My point was to chose the words carefully when venting because when we're angry about something, the emotions rule and once they have left your tongue (or keyboard in this case), you cannot take them back.

How often do we hurt a loved one in the same manner?

Haligan · 06-26-2009, 10:36 AM

My mother gave me some advise early on in my life and it is as true as ever.

"Never photograph, or write down(put online), anything that you wouldn't want the whole world to see."

(my addition)

mrkirker · 06-26-2009, 10:53 AM

Or,
"Say it with flowers,
Say it with mink,
Say it with feeling,
But NEVER in ink!"

06-25-2009, 06:40 AM	#1
Haligan Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: FEMA Region II Posts: 1,900	The Net has ears and eyes. Ok, we all know people are watching what is posted online. This is more proof. I'm not condoning anything, defending anything, suggesting anything. All I'm saying is WATCH WHAT YOU SAY ONLINE. You can see what kind of a "fair" report your gonna get from the mainstream media. And all the little medias as well. http://www.app.com/article/20090624/...24100/1001/rss Prosecutors quoted a Turner Internet posting as saying: "Let me be the first......." __________________ "He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falshoods and errors." - Thomas Jefferson --> Last edited by Haligan; 06-25-2009 at 06:49 AM..

06-25-2009, 07:59 AM	#2
45nut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,428	Re: The Net has ears and eyes. Well Duh, how can he *not* expect the alphabets to show up after those comments. It just proves that morons exist in all cultures. __________________ A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that. Shane Nemo me impune lacesset We recall the case of the Shoshone war band which showed up complete with one 30-30 rifle per man the week after Pearl Harbor, and simply wanted to have the enemy pointed out to them. "We hear there's a war going on and we want to go fight it." Jeff Cooper *KCCO*

06-25-2009, 08:22 AM	#3
TranterUK Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cambridge UK Posts: 5,103	Re: The Net has ears and eyes. Without judging a guy, who has said publicly certain people should be killed, I think we should all keep in mind what we write can be read by anyone, anywhere. From your local Fed to an Intel officer in N Korea. Best kept in mind. __________________ DVC - Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas - Accuracy, Power, Speed. The light at the end of the recession tunnel IS a train coming the other way!

06-25-2009, 08:41 AM	#4
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,404	Re: The Net has ears and eyes. I have even heard of people getting picked up after saying something stupid in a bar. Most of what people say is just stupid talk and fustration and there is nothing real to it but some people take it too seriously. __________________ Who are you going to serve today?

06-25-2009, 08:42 AM	#5
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,271	Re: The Net has ears and eyes. And I might add that what is written on forums can, and may be, interpreted in several different ways! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

06-25-2009, 08:47 AM	#6
mrkirker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,067	Re: The Net has ears and eyes. All in all, it never hurts that everyone be reminded! Thanks, Haligan! __________________ *I don't know if dogs have a heaven, but there will be dogs in mine.*

06-25-2009, 08:50 AM	#7
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,404	Re: The Net has ears and eyes. Let me just go on the record and say i love all our elected officials, they are the best thing since sliced bread. __________________ Who are you going to serve today?

06-25-2009, 09:07 AM	#8
Southern Boy V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 110	Re: The Net has ears and eyes. Presenting your opinion about what someone deserves is not a crime. However when you give adresses, maps, and bring up a similar crime; you have crossed the line.What did this guy think was gonna happen? Now if some nutjob out there does the deed, his head is gonna roll along with the nutjob. Good post though, it reminds us of that line in the sand. __________________ "The 2nd Amendment is my "concealed carry permit"" Ted Nugent

06-25-2009, 09:30 AM	#10
mrkirker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,067	Re: The Net has ears and eyes. I love my gubbermint, too! __________________ *I don't know if dogs have a heaven, but there will be dogs in mine.*

06-25-2009, 12:26 PM	#12
SaddleSarge Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,025	Re: The Net has ears and eyes. Yes, a good reminder of unintended results when venting. However, point to ponder....would as much attention be paid if the same thing was said about an accused murderer who was pending or on trial, or pending culmination of sentence? "Mr. "X" derserves to die." I think not. This is politically charged and trying to be equated to shouting "fire" in a theater. Police officers have also reaped such for venting, it gets brought out in court and they either lose the case or get sued for that venting that they really didn't mean. There was a fairly recent case/example of this in New York (I think it was).

06-25-2009, 06:45 PM	#14
Marlin T Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Mexico Posts: 7,857	Re: The Net has ears and eyes. another long post edited and deleted. __________________ "But the simple truth--born of experience--is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people." Judge Alex Kozinski - United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. - Thomas Paine Did you read todays GOOD shooting? >>>KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM <<<

06-25-2009, 07:14 PM	#15
Big ugly Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Knoxville Tennessee Contributor Posts: 2,603	Re: The Net has ears and eyes. I will say that this feller should have known better. As far as me, I am not pleased with the way our government is ran. YOU READING THIS FREDDIE THE FED I AM NOT HAPPY, TELL YOUR SUPERIORS TO START USING LUBE CUZ MY BUTTHOLE HURTS. However I do not want to see people offed in mass numbers to fix it either. Mabbe just remove them from power for a while and take away their creditcards, and privlidges. I dont like feeding WHO DAT,s lobster with my tax money. Its the damn whitehouse for crist sake move the cluckin mother in law out jerkoffs I aint feedin this hooker better than my family eats. That nag does not deserve it. Freddie I own guns and I am PISSED OFF. But I have not nor will not threaten nobody. __________________ "You say the Devil made do it with a smile. Raisin' hell and howlin at the moon. Well I'm gonna put your @$$ back in line. I'm gonna scare the Devil out of you." BlackBerry Smoke Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R513dA4peMg Nothing is "proof" against a truly talented fool. Swanshot

06-25-2009, 07:34 PM	#16
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: The Net has ears and eyes. The way I read it, 'crying fire' in a crowded theater is akin to threatening bodily harm. People would be hurt in the ensueing rampage to the exits. I can get angry and spout off to take you to court. No physical harm in that. I can get po'd about your dog crapping in my yard and claim I'm calling the pound. I can threaten to call the cops cuz you're making too much noise. Again, no bodily harm or destruction of property. However, when someone says 'someone should die, or 'burn their house down'', I have a problem with that. If this guy made the same statements against you or your family, how would you feel? Threatened perhaps? Should the Judge feel less intimidated? Seriously, what is the point of a restraining order? Some get caught, some don't. Do YOU wanna be the one at the butt end of the one that gets missed? __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

06-25-2009, 10:27 PM	#17
Marlin T Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Mexico Posts: 7,857	Re: The Net has ears and eyes. Sorry, did it again. Self edit __________________ "But the simple truth--born of experience--is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people." Judge Alex Kozinski - United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. - Thomas Paine Did you read todays GOOD shooting? >>>KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM <<< Last edited by Marlin T; 06-25-2009 at 10:32 PM..

06-26-2009, 12:05 AM	#18
Hardballer V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Smack dab in da middle Posts: 471	Re: The Net has ears and eyes. The only threat I have spoken of is the threat to the United States Constitution. The promise I make is to defend the United States Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Last edited by Hardballer; 06-26-2009 at 12:06 AM..

06-26-2009, 10:36 AM	#20
Haligan Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: FEMA Region II Posts: 1,900	Re: The Net has ears and eyes. My mother gave me some advise early on in my life and it is as true as ever. "Never photograph, or write down(put online), anything that you wouldn't want the whole world to see." (my addition) __________________ "He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falshoods and errors." - Thomas Jefferson

06-26-2009, 10:53 AM	#21
mrkirker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,067	Re: The Net has ears and eyes. Or, "Say it with flowers, Say it with mink, Say it with feeling, But NEVER in ink!" __________________ *I don't know if dogs have a heaven, but there will be dogs in mine.*