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TranterUK · 06-21-2009, 10:59 AM

Pistols thread 'Words of wisdom' c/o Clint Smith made me think, what lessons have we learned that would be of use to others finding themselves in a difficult situation or actual armed contact.

I heard of a guy being interviewed by his boss after a shooting who, when asked what he was thinking during the contact replied 'front sight, front sight, front sight'.

Cant say if the story is true, but it sounds good advice.

For myself, I would say the words 'get angry' have helped a lot. Most of us are by nature gentle people who would be reluctant to hurt another. 'Get angry' seems to work.

Anyone else have any useful lessons they have learned?

Pistolenschutze · 06-21-2009, 11:51 AM

One of the most important I think, Tranter, is to force yourself to focus on the potential threat; that's obvious, but also to be situationally aware of your surroundings as well. Notice carefully, for example, what lies behind the assailant because you may have to shoot and you must know if you can do so safely without undue danger to innocent bystanders. And most especially you need to be aware of whether there is potentially more than one threat present . . . you might have to shoot more than once!

Yeah, and focusing on the front sight is definitely right. At 20 feet or less, that's the only one that matters.

kutaho · 06-21-2009, 11:54 AM

Thought real hard on that one Martin,
thought back and realized the thoughts in my head were
watch him, watch him

TOOHSOTKIL · 06-21-2009, 04:21 PM

Very simple..FRONT SIGHT

zfk55 · 06-21-2009, 05:39 PM

Anger clouds your perception, concentration and reactions.

Latigo

FTK87 · 06-21-2009, 11:40 PM

Take the safety off...

carver · 06-22-2009, 05:28 AM

Him or me! Him or me! Him or me! Him or me!

woolleyworm · 06-22-2009, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by FTK87

Take the safety off...

What's a safety???

Decocked.... One in the Hole - actually 3 safeties used here, the brain, the training and the DA pull. Probably already a thread on this subject, I'm going to have to do some searching as see what I can find.

TranterUK · 06-22-2009, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by woolleyworm

What's a safety???

OK, I can help here, its also called a 'holster'.

FTK87 · 06-22-2009, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by woolleyworm

What's a safety???

Decocked.... One in the Hole - actually 3 safeties used here, the brain, the training and the DA pull. Probably already a thread on this subject, I'm going to have to do some searching as see what I can find.

I should of mentioned i carry a 1911...

kilogulf59 · 06-24-2009, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Pistolenschutze

One of the most important I think, Tranter, is to force yourself to focus on the potential threat; that's obvious, but also to be situationally aware of your surroundings as well. Notice carefully, for example, what lies behind the assailant because you may have to shoot and you must know if you can do so safely without undue danger to innocent bystanders. And most especially you need to be aware of whether there is potentially more than one threat present . . . you might have to shoot more than once!

Yeah, and focusing on the front sight is definitely right. At 20 feet or less, that's the only one that matters.

I have to wholeheartedly agree with the first paragraph is that statement...

As far as "front sight" is concerned, IF, repeat, IF you can see it you don't want to get consumed by it i.e mentally escaping into the sight.

carver · 06-24-2009, 07:36 AM

Maybe I've got some bad habits, I'm no expert, and surely haven't had the training some of you have had, no training here at all really. But I don't look for sights at 20' or less. My technech is self taught, and I point shoot. I fix on the place I want my bullet to go, and fire at that point, thinking my bullet to the target. Is this a bad idea? Works great on targets!

OBrien · 06-24-2009, 03:53 PM

Stay calm, keep moving or get cover, what is between you and the target, is there any other threats around, what is beyond the target, safety off (if not using a glock

) and trigger squeeze.

If you take out the gun stuff it is almost the same mind set as you need for hand to hand.

40CalJoe · 06-30-2009, 05:45 PM

That is why range time is so important. You have to be so in tuned with your weapon, everything that happens must be instinct. That can only come from putting rounds down range.

TranterUK · 06-30-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 40CalJoe

That is why range time is so important. You have to be so in tuned with your weapon, everything that happens must be instinct. That can only come from putting rounds down range.

Absolutely correct. Instinct. Big bad guy steps out in front of you with knife, or gun in hand, bang, bang. Thats your gun, not his and your at the ready position looking for his friends. He never got pass 'give me your wallet'. And like not realising you drove some of the route to work, it all just happened as it has so many times before.

Controversial? There are times and places where it's the only way.

Maximilian II · 07-01-2009, 04:06 PM

Anything you have to take the time to think about may have used up the time you needed to keep from getting killed.

06-21-2009, 10:59 AM	#1
TranterUK Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cambridge UK Posts: 5,103	Good ideas? Pistols thread 'Words of wisdom' c/o Clint Smith made me think, what lessons have we learned that would be of use to others finding themselves in a difficult situation or actual armed contact. I heard of a guy being interviewed by his boss after a shooting who, when asked what he was thinking during the contact replied 'front sight, front sight, front sight'. Cant say if the story is true, but it sounds good advice. For myself, I would say the words 'get angry' have helped a lot. Most of us are by nature gentle people who would be reluctant to hurt another. 'Get angry' seems to work. Anyone else have any useful lessons they have learned? __________________ DVC - Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas - Accuracy, Power, Speed. The light at the end of the recession tunnel IS a train coming the other way! --> Last edited by TranterUK; 06-21-2009 at 11:02 AM..

06-21-2009, 11:51 AM	#2
Pistolenschutze Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 13,094	Re: Good ideas? One of the most important I think, Tranter, is to force yourself to focus on the potential threat; that's obvious, but also to be situationally aware of your surroundings as well. Notice carefully, for example, what lies behind the assailant because you may have to shoot and you must know if you can do so safely without undue danger to innocent bystanders. And most especially you need to be aware of whether there is potentially more than one threat present . . . you might have to shoot more than once! Yeah, and focusing on the front sight is definitely right. At 20 feet or less, that's the only one that matters. __________________ --Pistolenschutze (Pistol Shooter)

06-21-2009, 11:54 AM	#3
kutaho Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Peoples Republic of the Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,852	Re: Good ideas? Thought real hard on that one Martin, thought back and realized the thoughts in my head were watch him, watch him __________________ No man stands in the same river twice If all else fails grab a rock Mi Taku oyasin

06-21-2009, 04:21 PM	#4
TOOHSOTKIL V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Curracus Posts: 318	Re: Good ideas? Very simple..FRONT SIGHT

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zfk55 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lost Prairie Montana Posts: 237	Re: Good ideas? Anger clouds your perception, concentration and reactions. Latigo __________________ Latigo A Montanan and an actual American with a real American Birth Certificate.

06-21-2009, 11:40 PM	#6
FTK87 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chouteau, Oklahoma Posts: 481	Re: Good ideas? Take the safety off...

06-22-2009, 05:28 AM	#7
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,227	Re: Good ideas? Him or me! Him or me! Him or me! Him or me! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

06-24-2009, 07:36 AM	#12
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,227	Re: Good ideas? Maybe I've got some bad habits, I'm no expert, and surely haven't had the training some of you have had, no training here at all really. But I don't look for sights at 20' or less. My technech is self taught, and I point shoot. I fix on the place I want my bullet to go, and fire at that point, thinking my bullet to the target. Is this a bad idea? Works great on targets! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

06-24-2009, 03:53 PM	#13
OBrien Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Bangor Maine Posts: 554	Re: Good ideas? Stay calm, keep moving or get cover, what is between you and the target, is there any other threats around, what is beyond the target, safety off (if not using a glock ) and trigger squeeze. If you take out the gun stuff it is almost the same mind set as you need for hand to hand.

06-30-2009, 05:45 PM	#14
40CalJoe V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: In the middle Posts: 421	Re: Good ideas? That is why range time is so important. You have to be so in tuned with your weapon, everything that happens must be instinct. That can only come from putting rounds down range. __________________ *I will give hussein obama exactly the same respect liberals gave George W Bush: NONE.*

07-01-2009, 04:06 PM	#16
Maximilian II Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Northwest GA Posts: 1,381	Re: Good ideas? Anything you have to take the time to think about may have used up the time you needed to keep from getting killed. __________________ Karma is just justice, without the satisfaction. And I don't believe in justice. -Joe Sarno, bagman.