Just wondering about retirement programs. - The Firearms Forum

Trouble 45-70 · 07-03-2009, 01:13 PM

I think the Teddycare health bill is going to force my former employer to drop healtcare at least for retires and probably for current employees. I think most employers would like to get out from under healthcare requirements so they won't have have that expense. I would be surprised if compensation for lost coverage was provided. Now for the kicker; if that works well for the govt. then why not force employers to drop pensions and take over that income stream and add it to SS payments giving recipiants 30 cents on the dollar or something like that. The remaining 70 cents going into the General Fund. Boy that would be great. Just think if you are retired and oppose govt. policies then govt. can threaten to shut off SS and healthcare. They would realy have us by the short hairs if they could also grab our personal retirement accounts too. Just wondering. What do you folks think?

45nut · 07-03-2009, 01:33 PM

Well I think that's the plan isn't it? Get everyone dependent on Fedzilla, then no one will vote to take the money out of their pocket. Sounds like a good..er I mean really nasty and nearly foolproof plan to me.

armedandsafe · 07-03-2009, 06:21 PM

I'm beginning to think the term "DC" is outmoded. Shall we all start to refer to it as "DK?" Kremlin does start with a "K," does it not?

Pops

Blackhawk Dave · 07-04-2009, 08:33 AM

My company will offload it's health insurance the day this thing passes.

kingcuke · 07-04-2009, 10:04 AM

Sadly a number of companies had started dropping healthcare before Obama even ran.
The percentage of large companies offering health benefits dropped from 69% in 2000 to 60% last year. Only 45% of small companies offer health benefits.
http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_r...fm?DR_ID=47450

I often hear comments about how taxpayers shouldn't fund healthcare for the uninsured, but wonder how many people with employer sponsored healthcare realize that the untaxed employer contribution is in effect a subsidy.
The healthcare market is dysfunctional in that success is not related to providing a good product (healthy people) and instead is driven by stockholder return. IMHO this is what has driven the economic crisis short term gain at the expense of long term viability.

07-03-2009, 01:13 PM	#1
Trouble 45-70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NE Ar. W. of Black River Contributor Posts: 2,703	Just wondering about retirement programs. I think the Teddycare health bill is going to force my former employer to drop healtcare at least for retires and probably for current employees. I think most employers would like to get out from under healthcare requirements so they won't have have that expense. I would be surprised if compensation for lost coverage was provided. Now for the kicker; if that works well for the govt. then why not force employers to drop pensions and take over that income stream and add it to SS payments giving recipiants 30 cents on the dollar or something like that. The remaining 70 cents going into the General Fund. Boy that would be great. Just think if you are retired and oppose govt. policies then govt. can threaten to shut off SS and healthcare. They would realy have us by the short hairs if they could also grab our personal retirement accounts too. Just wondering. What do you folks think? -->

07-03-2009, 01:33 PM	#2
45nut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,428	Re: Just wondering about retirement programs. Well I think that's the plan isn't it? Get everyone dependent on Fedzilla, then no one will vote to take the money out of their pocket. Sounds like a good..er I mean really nasty and nearly foolproof plan to me. __________________ A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that. Shane Nemo me impune lacesset We recall the case of the Shoshone war band which showed up complete with one 30-30 rifle per man the week after Pearl Harbor, and simply wanted to have the enemy pointed out to them. "We hear there's a war going on and we want to go fight it." Jeff Cooper *KCCO*

07-03-2009, 06:21 PM	#3
armedandsafe Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Moses Lake, WA Posts: 10,344	Re: Just wondering about retirement programs. I'm beginning to think the term "DC" is outmoded. Shall we all start to refer to it as "DK?" Kremlin does start with a "K," does it not? Pops

07-04-2009, 08:33 AM	#4
Blackhawk Dave Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Denton, TX Posts: 593	Re: Just wondering about retirement programs. My company will offload it's health insurance the day this thing passes.

07-04-2009, 10:04 AM	#5
kingcuke V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Cucumber Island Posts: 154	Re: Just wondering about retirement programs. Sadly a number of companies had started dropping healthcare before Obama even ran. The percentage of large companies offering health benefits dropped from 69% in 2000 to 60% last year. Only 45% of small companies offer health benefits. http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_r...fm?DR_ID=47450 I often hear comments about how taxpayers shouldn't fund healthcare for the uninsured, but wonder how many people with employer sponsored healthcare realize that the untaxed employer contribution is in effect a subsidy. The healthcare market is dysfunctional in that success is not related to providing a good product (healthy people) and instead is driven by stockholder return. IMHO this is what has driven the economic crisis short term gain at the expense of long term viability. __________________ Giving every man a vote has no more made men wise and free than Christianity has made them good. H. L. Mencken It is not in the nature of politics that the best men should be elected. The best men do not want to govern their fellowmen. George MacDonald