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Pistolenschutze · 06-20-2009, 05:10 PM

. . . on Chiltepin peppers. I read that these grow wild in Texas and are one of the hottest peppers available, right up there with scotch bonnets and habaneros. Have you tried these? The reason I ask is that the plants are available from the local garden store and I was thinking about planting one just for the hell of it, or maybe that should be "just for the hot of it."

45nut · 06-20-2009, 05:20 PM

Chili pequin peppers? These are hot and go a long way. I don't know if we are talking about the same pepper though.

Chiltepins are extremely hot, measuring between 50,000 and 100,000 Scoville Units. In Mexico, the heat of the Chiltepin is called arrebatado ("rapid" or "violent"), because, while the heat is intense, it is not very enduring. This stands in contrast to the Chili Piquin, which is somewhat similar in size and shape to the Chiltepin, but delivers a decidedly different experience. Piquins are not as hot as Chiltepins (only about 30,000-50,000 Scoville Units[3]), but they have a much slower and longer-lasting effect.

I was wrong Pistol. Different pepper, but I have had some that were dried and they were smoking hot.

Crpdeth · 06-21-2009, 01:37 AM

Hmmmm... I've never even heard of them! This is news to me, I am, as you know, outdoors a lot and have never seen a wild pepper in my life.

I'll have to do some research here.

Crpdeth

Pistolenschutze · 06-21-2009, 09:54 AM

I'm surprised you haven't seen them, Donny. According to my research, they grow wild all over the Southwest and in Mexico. Supposedly, the Chiltepin is considered by botanists to be the "mother of all chili peppers," i.e., the variety from which all of the other capsicum annum peppers were derived.

Hey, if I do plant a couple and they bear, perhaps I can send you a few to try, or at least dry some and send you some of the pepper. They are supposed to be quite a small pepper, but rate about 100,000 to 150,000, perhaps more, on the Scoville hotness scale.

kutaho · 06-21-2009, 11:41 AM

My grandmother lived out mescal road in southern arizona,
she had one potted in her kitchen window.
my cousin's and i will attest to the extreme heat of those little guys,
we were all talked into taking a bite at one time or another

Pistolenschutze · 06-21-2009, 01:45 PM

OK, I done took the plunge and planted a couple of Chiltepins.

I just couldn't resist.

I understand these peppers are excellent for drying and making pepper for use in the winter. Donny, if I get a decent crop of them, I will dehydrate a bunch, grind them, and send you some of the pepper if you like. I might also try sending you some of the fresh ones if they'll keep well enough to get from Colorado to Texas.

Crpdeth · 06-21-2009, 03:57 PM

Sounds good to me, Rich!

kutaho · 06-23-2009, 10:42 AM

Sorry for the drift, but the wife got me a new hot sauce for my fathers day breakfast, it says its a salsa on the jar, but i consider it more of a sauce.
Its called Mrs. Renfro's habanero salsa. out of Ft. Worth Texas.
Ever try it, pretty good, even made me sweat a little.

Crpdeth · 06-24-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kutaho

Sorry for the drift, but the wife got me a new hot sauce for my fathers day breakfast, it says its a salsa on the jar, but i consider it more of a sauce.
Its called Mrs. Renfro's habanero salsa. out of Ft. Worth Texas.
Ever try it, pretty good, even made me sweat a little.

Nope, never tried it, but if it made you sweat... I'll be on the look for it!

Oh, BTW... I just picked up 7 fresh Anaheim from a local grower and roasted them for later use in some spicy green chile/habanero salsa. Cant wait.

Crpdeth

Crpdeth · 06-27-2009, 02:49 PM

Rich

I have done a little research on these Chiltepin peppers and have kept an eye out for them growing wild... No luck, but I'll keep you up to date if I happen across any.

I did get to thinking though, if they are native, or should I say "Prone to growing wild" here, it might not be a bad idea to plant some here and there at various locations just to get them a little thicker in my area while taking what I want in the mean time.

Crpdeth

Pistolenschutze · 06-27-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Crpdeth

Rich

I have done a little research on these Chiltepin peppers and have kept an eye out for them growing wild... No luck, but I'll keep you up to date if I happen across any.

I did get to thinking though, if they are native, or should I say "Prone to growing wild" here, it might not be a bad idea to plant some here and there at various locations just to get them a little thicker in my area while taking what I want in the mean time.

Crpdeth

Here's a brief article on them you might find interesting, Donny. Apparently, Texas named the Chiltepin it's state native pepper. I gather they grow wild in Texas, but are found mostly in rocky areas and in with other plants. If I get some this year, I will send you some seeds along with the pepper I make up.

http://www.shgresources.com/tx/symbols/peppernative/

Crpdeth · 06-27-2009, 07:05 PM

Very interesting read indeed, Rich... The Scoville reading on it really surprises me, pleasantly. Now I realize why I've never seen these things growing wild, the areas I run in are more bottom land type environments, certainly not steep and rocky, then there's the shrubbery thing, I guess it likes partial shade? I don't see any information on that.

I'll be very happy to take a few peppers and seeds.

Crpdeth

Pistolenschutze · 06-27-2009, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Crpdeth

I'll be very happy to take a few peppers and seeds.

Crpdeth

No problem on that, Donny. Any other varieties of pepper you want seeds for as well? It's easy enough to save them and send them to you. I plan to do that for myself as well. Right now I have 20 different varieties of pepper growing.

Crpdeth · 06-27-2009, 11:23 PM

No Sir, I think I am okay as far as other seeds go, but I really like the idea of trying my hand at growing these Chiltepin peppers... Hey, let us know how the roasting process goes would ya? I think you are going to enjoy doing it, not to mention the wonderful flavor.

Crpdeth

JUNKKING · 06-28-2009, 08:02 AM

Are these the little peppers they call Christmas peppers or ornamental peppers? They are like 1/2 inch in length and look like a house plant? If so those things are so hot they Nummed one of my teeth for a day.

Crpdeth · 06-28-2009, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JUNKKING

Are these the little peppers they call Christmas peppers or ornamental peppers? They are like 1/2 inch in length and look like a house plant? If so those things are so hot they Nummed one of my teeth for a day.

They may be a close relative, but the first difference I notice is that these plants are quite large compared to the ornamental plants. I've eaten one of those raw as well... Phew!

Crpdeth

Pistolenschutze · 06-28-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Crpdeth

No Sir, I think I am okay as far as other seeds go, but I really like the idea of trying my hand at growing these Chiltepin peppers...

If I get 'em, you got 'em Donny, both whole peppers and seeds if possible. The two Chiltepins I put down look healthy enough, but I have not seen any blossoms on them as yet. These seem very straight and tall for pepper plants, but without a lot of the foliage you see on most varieties.

Crpdeth · 06-28-2009, 09:35 AM

Rich, did you happen to read how tall they can grow in one season? I hope you have room! Also, greenhouse plants were yielding 50 to 100 pods per year and blooming all year.

Maybe you should just call them shrubbery and plant them all around the house.

Crpdeth

Pistolenschutze · 06-28-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Crpdeth

Rich, did you happen to read how tall they can grow in one season? I hope you have room! Also, greenhouse plants were yielding 50 to 100 pods per year and blooming all year.

Maybe you should just call them shrubbery and plant them all around the house.

Crpdeth

Yup, I read about that, Donny.

I have them planted in large pots actually, and I can always stake them if they get really tall. If they produce well, I may try starting a few indoors from seeds during the winter and see how they do as house plants. That would be kind of fun, I think, and if they get too large, I can always set them out in the garden next spring.

rosierita · 06-29-2009, 03:46 PM

how do y'all roast your peppers?

my mema grew a jalepeno as a house plant for a few yrs... she may still have it.

you gotta get a q-tip to pollinate it tho.

Crpdeth · 06-29-2009, 08:39 PM

Hey Rosie welcome to the recipe forum... Yay! We actually got a woman in here talking about cooking! I fully intend to learn stuff!

We were just discussing the fun of roasting peppers here... Check it out!

Crpdeth

rosierita · 06-30-2009, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Crpdeth

Hey Rosie welcome to the recipe forum... Yay! We actually got a woman in here talking about cooking! I fully intend to learn stuff!

We were just discussing the fun of roasting peppers here... Check it out!

Crpdeth

thanks

358 winchester · 07-08-2009, 06:02 AM

Hey Rich if you get enough of them peppers to grow I wouldn't mind adding some to my pepper bed. I am always willing to try a new pepper. I like to watch them grow as much as eating them peppers are pretty

kutaho · 07-13-2009, 07:55 PM

Ya man, pretty yummie

Pistolenschutze · 07-13-2009, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 358 winchester

Hey Rich if you get enough of them peppers to grow I wouldn't mind adding some to my pepper bed. I am always willing to try a new pepper. I like to watch them grow as much as eating them peppers are pretty

So far the plants seem to be growing well, but I've not noticed any blossoms on them as yet. If I do get peppers, you shall have some as well, Ron.

06-20-2009, 05:10 PM	#1
Pistolenschutze Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 13,094	Question for Crpdeth . . . . . . on Chiltepin peppers. I read that these grow wild in Texas and are one of the hottest peppers available, right up there with scotch bonnets and habaneros. Have you tried these? The reason I ask is that the plants are available from the local garden store and I was thinking about planting one just for the hell of it, or maybe that should be "just for the hot of it." __________________ --Pistolenschutze (Pistol Shooter) -->

06-20-2009, 05:20 PM	#2
45nut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,428	Re: Question for Crpdeth . . . Chili pequin peppers? These are hot and go a long way. I don't know if we are talking about the same pepper though. Chiltepins are extremely hot, measuring between 50,000 and 100,000 Scoville Units. In Mexico, the heat of the Chiltepin is called arrebatado ("rapid" or "violent"), because, while the heat is intense, it is not very enduring. This stands in contrast to the Chili Piquin, which is somewhat similar in size and shape to the Chiltepin, but delivers a decidedly different experience. Piquins are not as hot as Chiltepins (only about 30,000-50,000 Scoville Units[3]), but they have a much slower and longer-lasting effect. I was wrong Pistol. Different pepper, but I have had some that were dried and they were smoking hot. __________________ A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that. Shane Nemo me impune lacesset We recall the case of the Shoshone war band which showed up complete with one 30-30 rifle per man the week after Pearl Harbor, and simply wanted to have the enemy pointed out to them. "We hear there's a war going on and we want to go fight it." Jeff Cooper *KCCO* Last edited by 45nut; 06-20-2009 at 05:24 PM..

06-21-2009, 01:37 AM	#3
Crpdeth Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Location: Location Contributor Posts: 8,247	Re: Question for Crpdeth . . . Hmmmm... I've never even heard of them! This is news to me, I am, as you know, outdoors a lot and have never seen a wild pepper in my life. I'll have to do some research here. Crpdeth __________________ Our greatest pretenses are built up not to hide the evil and the ugly in us, but our emptiness. The hardest thing to hide is something that is not there. ~Eric Hoffer

06-21-2009, 09:54 AM	#4
Pistolenschutze Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 13,094	Re: Question for Crpdeth . . . I'm surprised you haven't seen them, Donny. According to my research, they grow wild all over the Southwest and in Mexico. Supposedly, the Chiltepin is considered by botanists to be the "mother of all chili peppers," i.e., the variety from which all of the other capsicum annum peppers were derived. Hey, if I do plant a couple and they bear, perhaps I can send you a few to try, or at least dry some and send you some of the pepper. They are supposed to be quite a small pepper, but rate about 100,000 to 150,000, perhaps more, on the Scoville hotness scale. __________________ --Pistolenschutze (Pistol Shooter) Last edited by Pistolenschutze; 06-21-2009 at 11:11 AM.. Reason: Correct grammar

06-21-2009, 11:41 AM	#5
kutaho Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Peoples Republic of the Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,852	Re: Question for Crpdeth . . . My grandmother lived out mescal road in southern arizona, she had one potted in her kitchen window. my cousin's and i will attest to the extreme heat of those little guys, we were all talked into taking a bite at one time or another __________________ No man stands in the same river twice If all else fails grab a rock Mi Taku oyasin

06-21-2009, 01:45 PM	#6
Pistolenschutze Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 13,094	Re: Question for Crpdeth . . . OK, I done took the plunge and planted a couple of Chiltepins. I just couldn't resist. I understand these peppers are excellent for drying and making pepper for use in the winter. Donny, if I get a decent crop of them, I will dehydrate a bunch, grind them, and send you some of the pepper if you like. I might also try sending you some of the fresh ones if they'll keep well enough to get from Colorado to Texas. __________________ --Pistolenschutze (Pistol Shooter)

06-21-2009, 03:57 PM	#7
Crpdeth Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Location: Location Contributor Posts: 8,247	Re: Question for Crpdeth . . . Sounds good to me, Rich! __________________ Our greatest pretenses are built up not to hide the evil and the ugly in us, but our emptiness. The hardest thing to hide is something that is not there. ~Eric Hoffer

06-23-2009, 10:42 AM	#8
kutaho Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Peoples Republic of the Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,852	Re: Question for Crpdeth . . . Sorry for the drift, but the wife got me a new hot sauce for my fathers day breakfast, it says its a salsa on the jar, but i consider it more of a sauce. Its called Mrs. Renfro's habanero salsa. out of Ft. Worth Texas. Ever try it, pretty good, even made me sweat a little. __________________ No man stands in the same river twice If all else fails grab a rock Mi Taku oyasin

06-27-2009, 02:49 PM	#10
Crpdeth Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Location: Location Contributor Posts: 8,247	Re: Question for Crpdeth . . . Rich I have done a little research on these Chiltepin peppers and have kept an eye out for them growing wild... No luck, but I'll keep you up to date if I happen across any. I did get to thinking though, if they are native, or should I say "Prone to growing wild" here, it might not be a bad idea to plant some here and there at various locations just to get them a little thicker in my area while taking what I want in the mean time. Crpdeth __________________ Our greatest pretenses are built up not to hide the evil and the ugly in us, but our emptiness. The hardest thing to hide is something that is not there. ~Eric Hoffer

06-27-2009, 07:05 PM	#12
Crpdeth Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Location: Location Contributor Posts: 8,247	Re: Question for Crpdeth . . . Very interesting read indeed, Rich... The Scoville reading on it really surprises me, pleasantly. Now I realize why I've never seen these things growing wild, the areas I run in are more bottom land type environments, certainly not steep and rocky, then there's the shrubbery thing, I guess it likes partial shade? I don't see any information on that. I'll be very happy to take a few peppers and seeds. Crpdeth __________________ Our greatest pretenses are built up not to hide the evil and the ugly in us, but our emptiness. The hardest thing to hide is something that is not there. ~Eric Hoffer

06-27-2009, 11:23 PM	#14
Crpdeth Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Location: Location Contributor Posts: 8,247	Re: Question for Crpdeth . . . No Sir, I think I am okay as far as other seeds go, but I really like the idea of trying my hand at growing these Chiltepin peppers... Hey, let us know how the roasting process goes would ya? I think you are going to enjoy doing it, not to mention the wonderful flavor. Crpdeth __________________ Our greatest pretenses are built up not to hide the evil and the ugly in us, but our emptiness. The hardest thing to hide is something that is not there. ~Eric Hoffer

06-28-2009, 08:02 AM	#15
JUNKKING Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Just East of Pittsburgh PA Contributor Posts: 1,766	Re: Question for Crpdeth . . . Are these the little peppers they call Christmas peppers or ornamental peppers? They are like 1/2 inch in length and look like a house plant? If so those things are so hot they Nummed one of my teeth for a day. __________________ Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and again!

06-28-2009, 09:35 AM	#18
Crpdeth Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Location: Location Contributor Posts: 8,247	Re: Question for Crpdeth . . . Rich, did you happen to read how tall they can grow in one season? I hope you have room! Also, greenhouse plants were yielding 50 to 100 pods per year and blooming all year. Maybe you should just call them shrubbery and plant them all around the house. Crpdeth __________________ Our greatest pretenses are built up not to hide the evil and the ugly in us, but our emptiness. The hardest thing to hide is something that is not there. ~Eric Hoffer

06-29-2009, 03:46 PM	#20
rosierita Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 5,218	Re: Question for Crpdeth . . . how do y'all roast your peppers? my mema grew a jalepeno as a house plant for a few yrs... she may still have it. you gotta get a q-tip to pollinate it tho. __________________

06-29-2009, 08:39 PM	#21
Crpdeth Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Location: Location Contributor Posts: 8,247	Re: Question for Crpdeth . . . Hey Rosie welcome to the recipe forum... Yay! We actually got a woman in here talking about cooking! I fully intend to learn stuff! We were just discussing the fun of roasting peppers here... Check it out! Crpdeth __________________ Our greatest pretenses are built up not to hide the evil and the ugly in us, but our emptiness. The hardest thing to hide is something that is not there. ~Eric Hoffer

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07-13-2009, 07:55 PM	#24
kutaho Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Peoples Republic of the Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,852	Re: Question for Crpdeth . . . Ya man, pretty yummie __________________ No man stands in the same river twice If all else fails grab a rock Mi Taku oyasin