Primary Carry......

[azsigman]

I have tried various autos over the years. I always come back to Sig. I love them. For all of my LEO career, we carried revolvers. Sig is as close to that as I feel I can get. I still have wheel guns, but I carry my Sig....just my .02. Also, consider that there might be a reason your instructor hemmed and hawed.....

[Powderhorn]

Originally Posted by glocknut

I have heard bad things about Taurus autos... I cringe every time i hear someone get excited about having bought one.

mike
gn

I'm going to make a flat-out declarative statement, one which will probably get me into hot water: Taurus sucks dead goat butt. The only Taurus I ever owned was a 1911. I was unhappy with it. Fit and finish sucked real bad. It'd be better to save a few bucks and get the Rock Island Armory 1911. I have a friend with over 10k flawless rounds shot through his. I handled a Judge at the shop, and it seems like a quality gun.

I'm a Sig man myself. I have two P220s and a P239. Can't go wrong there. Finest quality handgun made these days in my opinion.

I will admit that I've been having a load of fun with my Beretta 92FS. Seems like the old days when I carried an M9 everywhere. Bought four Mec-gar 18rd mags for it. Fireworks!

[ponycar17]

Originally Posted by 358 winchester

Carry a gun not a toy just my two cents

A 'toy' in the pocket is much more of a deterrent than a hand cannon back in the truck... Most people won't carry a full-size CC weapon at all times because it's inconvenient or they have a job in which they must have tucked shirts. Tuckable holsters are like saying, "hey, guess what I've got under my shirt..." While I respect the use of a full-size pistol as a CC gun, it does no good if the carrier deems it too inconvenient to carry. After all, we never know when the situation where we have to defend our lives may occur. If we knew, we'd stay home that day...

[johnlives4christ]

Originally Posted by glocknut

I have heard bad things about Taurus autos... I cringe every time i hear someone get excited about having bought one.

mike
gn

same here, although i havent had any experiance with them. it seems like to me they are guns to carry a lot and shoot a little. while a glock or a good 1911 will take all the shooting you can give it.

[PharmrJohn]

Dead Goat Butt? OK.....I'll save up for a Sig and do it right. Your right.....there was a reason he hummed and hawed. I just wanted to get off cheap. It's just like T5 lighting in the saltwater world. Taurus=Odyssea (OK maybe not THAT bad....let's say Nova Extreme) & Sig=ATI.

Now I just need to figure out what kind of Sig to get. I wanna stick with 9mm. Less kick. More control for the newb.

[ponycar17]

If you purchase a large CC weapon it will definitely be a learning experience... I don't know why I offer advice any more on these issues as I've seen far too many people ignore me and buy a larger pistol that they do not carry...

[PharmrJohn]

Originally Posted by ponycar17

If you purchase a large CC weapon it will definitely be a learning experience... I don't know why I offer advice any more on these issues as I've seen far too many people ignore me and buy a larger pistol that they do not carry...

And that is where my inexperience may get the best of me, because I want the largest comfortable CC I can get my hands onto. I don't need to carry in my pocket. I am planning on an IBH (right acronym?). I am 6"2 and 210lbs with some fat around the middle if that makes a difference.

So let's stick with Sig. What are some good recommendations in 9mm and .45 for the hell of it. My preference is a 9.

[Doc1911]

Originally Posted by PharmrJohn

So let's stick with Sig. What are some good recommendations in 9mm and .45 for the hell of it. My preference is a 9.

I only like German SIGs - I feel their quality is better than a US SIG (Exeter). You can pick up either a German 239 or 245 from Dan's Ammo. I believe shipping is free to your FFL and he is a good person to do business with ...

[ponycar17]

Originally Posted by PharmrJohn

And that is where my inexperience may get the best of me, because I want the largest comfortable CC I can get my hands onto. I don't need to carry in my pocket. I am planning on an IBH (right acronym?). I am 6"2 and 210lbs with some fat around the middle if that makes a difference.

So let's stick with Sig. What are some good recommendations in 9mm and .45 for the hell of it. My preference is a 9.

I think that you mean IWB (In Waist Band) carry. I'd get a Kahr PM45 in that case but I'm far too slanted by experimental evidence in what I'll carry. That shouldn't be a factor here...

If you're set on a Sig, I'd recommend a P-239 in either 9mm or .40 S&W. They're very compact, have a good feel and will fit in a waist band... I don't know what good that will be for you if you decide that IWB carry is not for you. Good luck...

[Doc1911]

I forgot to mention that a good - and I mean a good - holster can make all the difference in IWB carry - or any other kind of carry. - you probably already know this, but a new gun deserves a new quality holster ...

[woolleyworm]

Originally Posted by Doc1911

I only like German SIGs - I feel their quality is better than a US SIG (Exeter). You can pick up either a German 239 or 245 from Dan's Ammo. I believe shipping is free to your FFL and he is a good person to do business with ...

+1 to the German made Sigs, although I have no issues with their current models, I do have an affinity for those made in W.Germany. The P220-1 two tone that I bought earlier this year was made in 1983 and had 22 rounds through it, the rest of the box shot just fine. Paid $550 for it, I think I got quite a bargain ! Had all the original paperwork and box with it, it had been kept in a closet for 99.99% of it's life

"So let's stick with Sig. What are some good recommendations in 9mm and .45 for the hell of it. My preference is a 9."

I would recommend looking at the P226 for a full size, the P229 is a bit smaller and then the P239 is a nice compact. Personnaly, I think the P239 makes for a good carry choice. I've been trying to find a P229 Elite Dark model with the srt trigger. As far as new Sigs go, the srt trigger has been the best idea they've come up with. I'm not a big fan of the dak triggers, but with enough practice, I've heard good things about them. I prefer a da/sa trigger, I put in the time on the range to deal with the heavy da pull. No different to me than most revolvers, practice is everything.

[PharmrJohn]

Originally Posted by woolleyworm

+1 to the German made Sigs, although I have no issues with their current models, I do have an affinity for those made in W.Germany. The P220-1 two tone that I bought earlier this year was made in 1983 and had 22 rounds through it, the rest of the box shot just fine. Paid $550 for it, I think I got quite a bargain ! Had all the original paperwork and box with it, it had been kept in a closet for 99.99% of it's life

"So let's stick with Sig. What are some good recommendations in 9mm and .45 for the hell of it. My preference is a 9."

I would recommend looking at the P226 for a full size, the P229 is a bit smaller and then the P239 is a nice compact. Personnaly, I think the P239 makes for a good carry choice. I've been trying to find a P229 Elite Dark model with the srt trigger. As far as new Sigs go, the srt trigger has been the best idea they've come up with. I'm not a big fan of the dak triggers, but with enough practice, I've heard good things about them. I prefer a da/sa trigger, I put in the time on the range to deal with the heavy da pull. No different to me than most revolvers, practice is everything.

OK, just got lost. I am familiar with the da/sa and dao, what they stand for and what they mean. But what do srt and dak stand for and represent?

[woolleyworm]

Originally Posted by PharmrJohn

OK, just got lost. I am familiar with the da/sa and dao, what they stand for and what they mean. But what do srt and dak stand for and represent?

srt is sigs Short Reset Trigger, shorter length to reset the sear. The DAK is a proprietary double action only trigger that is set around 6-7# pull. much less than the normal DA pull. Alot of different options that you can go with. What does your instructor have ?

[PharmrJohn]

Don't know. My wife and I were just over shooting the **** when he offered to take me under his tutelage. I would guess his Sig is a 226 just by the way it fit my hand. I meant to ask, but when the conversation shifted to guns I got a little overwhelmed with it all and forgot to ask.

I am going to walk over tomorrow and see what he has. Meant to get over there today but got busy cleaning my garage. It got a little out of hand. I want my music room back.

OK so DAK I understand. Larry gave me a book to go through and I was just reading about that. But the SRT....Does this mean once the firearm is discharged, the sear resets quicker as the trigger moves to it's rest state, making it possible to discharge another round as soon as another round is chambered rather than the trigger moving all the way forward?

Forgive me if I am off on this. I googled the word sear and have 20% understanding of what it actually is and does.

[woolleyworm]

Originally Posted by PharmrJohn

But the SRT....Does this mean once the firearm is discharged, the sear resets quicker as the trigger moves to it's rest state, making it possible to discharge another round as soon as another round is chambered rather than the trigger moving all the way forward?

Yes, it allows for the trigger to reset quicker, as soon as your finger allows it to reset, you can take the next shot. The effects of the srt are only seen on subsequent shots, the first shot is always full pull dependant upon da or sa.

The sear is the most critical component to how a trigger assy works and most importantly, feels. A little late in the evening to go into too much detail, but in simple terms, it's what you're releasing each time you pull the trigger, it's release allows the hammer to fall. Depending on it's design, size, shape etc, this is what is most affecting your #'s of pull and smoothness of pull.

[glocknut]

Originally Posted by ponycar17

If you purchase a large CC weapon it will definitely be a learning experience... I don't know why I offer advice any more on these issues as I've seen far too many people ignore me and buy a larger pistol that they do not carry...

Uh...hey man... your advice is appreciated....except when you are using my own posts against me at a later time......

mike
gn

[glocknut]

Originally Posted by ponycar17

I think that you mean IWB (In Waist Band) carry. I'd get a Kahr PM45 in that case but I'm far too slanted by experimental evidence in what I'll carry. That shouldn't be a factor here...

If you're set on a Sig, I'd recommend a P-239 in either 9mm or .40 S&W. They're very compact, have a good feel and will fit in a waist band... I don't know what good that will be for you if you decide that IWB carry is not for you. Good luck...

I am thinking something more potent...like a Kimber ultra carry in 45acp. Why? Because after i have shot the dog that was attacked me...i might need to deal with its beligerant owner.... in fact thats allmost a guarantee.

I went over to a friends place one time. He lived in a trailer park. The dog came over and gave me the kind of growl where they show the teeth....
I was unarmed but i stood my ground thinking the dog was going to attack...and in the background was the trailer trash dog owner yacking something about not hurting his dog....
It never ceases to amaze me how BELIGERANT some of these dog owners can be....

One time back in Arkansas i was helping a friend with his car that was overheating. We were trying to drive it back to his place in short drives... we planned on doing this over a 3 hour period to make sure we never got the car too hot. We stopped by the side of the road on Hwy 62 and a big ol dog comes up growling... i stood my ground wondering what i should do. The F***ing owner comes down there with a 9mm to find out what was going on. His house was a good 300' off the highway and we were NOT on his property.....but since his dawg had come down there he also had to come down with a pistol.....
We explained why we were on the side of the road and he got his dog and took him back up to the house.
I hate dogs and some of their stupid owners that act beligerant.....

mike
gn