I gotta wonder - The Firearms Forum

Bobitis · 08-05-2009, 07:26 PM

Bill Clinton goes to North Korea, and 'Poof', two American criminals are released. In my 52 years, I've never seen this happen.
Hillary is in Africa?

Is it not HER job to deal with foreign problems?

What was sacrificed/gained in this matter?
I understand that 2 criminals of American decent were freed. That's a plus/gain? I spose...

What did we give up?

Only time will tell....

armedandsafe · 08-05-2009, 07:35 PM

The Clinton's saw an opportunity to get back on the front page. The North Koreans saw it as a way to get some good press for the first time since 1996. Win-WIn?

Pops

Bobitis · 08-05-2009, 08:24 PM

I wish I could believe that.

bcj1755 · 08-05-2009, 09:10 PM

Well, Comrade Hillary is busy in Kenya doing somethign more important, you know, making sure Barry's real birth certificate never sees the light of day again.

cycloneman · 08-05-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bcj1755

Well, Comrade Hillary is busy in Kenya doing somethign more important, you know, making sure Barry's real birth certificate never sees the light of day again.

NO NO NO! Everybody knows she is bisy. She is practicing saying "I am sorry" in many different languages.

So many countries to see so little time.

bcj1755 · 08-05-2009, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cycloneman

NO NO NO! Everybody knows she is bisy. She is practicing saying "I am sorry" in many different languages.

So many countries to see so little time.

Oh yeah, that too.

ponycar17 · 08-05-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cycloneman

NO NO NO! Everybody knows she is bisy. She is practicing saying "I am sorry" in many different languages.

So many countries to see so little time.

If so, I hope she does a better job at translating than she did with this gift...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sudCmrAsF4

artabr · 08-05-2009, 11:07 PM

I wounder how come their boss, Algore didn't fly to the rescue. Shame he couldn't have been part of a prisoner swap.

Art

ponycar17 · 08-06-2009, 05:55 AM

I think that Kim Jung-Il wanted the most powerful figure he could get to figuratively grovel at his knees in the international scene. He knew that a sitting President wouldn't come to see him, and he also knew that he hated GWB with the feelings being mutual. Therefore he chose the rock star President, Bill Clinton.

Having Hilary, a woman, come to the rescue would have made Kim Jung-Il look weak in the Asian community. That brings up a good question... Why the heck have our past 3 Secretaries of State been women when all our enemies have a low respect for women? I'm not bashing women here but our enemies certainly do. Did Albright, Rice or Clinton make any sense whatsoever as SOS picks?... I think not.

dbrodin · 08-06-2009, 06:08 AM

Kim Jung-Il loved Bill Clinton when he was president. They made many "ground breaking" agreements that were highly beneficial to the north, then Kim Jung-Il promptly ignored his side of the deal.

carver · 08-06-2009, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by artabr

I wounder how come their boss, Algore didn't fly to the rescue. Shame he couldn't have been part of a prisoner swap.

Art

I like this prisoner swap idea, we need to work on this one some more. There has just got to be other politicians, besides AG that we could possibly swap for something or other!

artabr · 08-06-2009, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by carver

I like this prisoner swap idea, we need to work on this one some more. There has just got to be other politicians, besides AG that we could possibly swap for something or other!

Other possible trades:

Obozo - the McDonald's clown, still a clown, less dangerous to the country

Pelosi - roll of toilet paper

Barbara Boxer - a chihuahua (sticking with the dog theme but a little less yappie)

Biden - we keep around for laughs

Art

SpazFreak1911 · 08-06-2009, 03:22 PM

well isnt this the reporters faults anyway? the illegally got in to the country from china so i guess north korea being north korea can be crazy and arrest em

PharmrJohn · 08-06-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cycloneman

NO NO NO! Everybody knows she is bisy. She is practicing saying "I am sorry" in many different languages.

So many countries to see so little time.

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Originally Posted by artabr

.........
Biden - we keep around for laughs

Art

He will be good for that. Even better than Dan Quayle. And Dan was pretty good at it. Actually, Bush (the younger) did a pretty good job as well. Granted, you speak enough, you will get caught looking like a dufus.....but he did better than most.

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Originally Posted by SpazFreak1911

well isnt this the reporters faults anyway? the illegally got in to the country from china so i guess north korea being north korea can be crazy and arrest em

Yes it was. Absolutely. What they did was stupid beyond compare. WTF were they thinking? You don't mess with SK. At all.

I have been wondering about why Clinton was able to do this. There had to be an upside. Perhaps it gives SK some sort of recognition with other countries.....that a former president came over for a visit. A pure PR thing.

In terms of a rescue (diplomatic), Carter usually gets the nod. Clinton getting the 'mission' really confused me.

ponycar17 · 08-06-2009, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PharmrJohn

In terms of a rescue (diplomatic), Carter usually gets the nod....

And why not... Carter never rescued anyone while in office. In fact, a condition to the release of hostages from the US embassy in Iran was that Carter be OUT of office.

It makes sense to use him as a diplomatic negotiator now...

artabr · 08-06-2009, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PharmrJohn

He will be good for that. Even better than Dan Quayle. And Dan was pretty good at it. Actually, Bush (the younger) did a pretty good job as well. Granted, you speak enough, you will get caught looking like a dufus.....but he did better than most.

Yes it was. Absolutely. What they did was stupid beyond compare. WTF were they thinking? You don't mess with SK. At all.

I have been wondering about why Clinton was able to do this. There had to be an upside. Perhaps it gives SK some sort of recognition with other countries.....that a former president came over for a visit. A pure PR thing.

In terms of a rescue (diplomatic), Carter usually gets the nod. Clinton getting the 'mission' really confused me.

I'm guessing that you met NK rather than SK, but no matter, you are correct, they are not to be screwed with.
From what I understand this has been in the works for a while.
Myself, I think Kim just wanted to get pointers from Bill on the ladies.
What is up with this Hollywood guy, Bing (?), bankrolling the flight in order to do a documentary on this? Stranger things have happened I guess.

Art

08-05-2009, 07:26 PM	#1
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	I gotta wonder Bill Clinton goes to North Korea, and 'Poof', two American criminals are released. In my 52 years, I've never seen this happen. Hillary is in Africa? Is it not HER job to deal with foreign problems? What was sacrificed/gained in this matter? I understand that 2 criminals of American decent were freed. That's a plus/gain? I spose... What did we give up? Only time will tell.... __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all -->

08-05-2009, 07:35 PM	#2
armedandsafe Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Moses Lake, WA Posts: 10,344	Re: I gotta wonder The Clinton's saw an opportunity to get back on the front page. The North Koreans saw it as a way to get some good press for the first time since 1996. Win-WIn? Pops

08-05-2009, 08:24 PM	#3
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: I gotta wonder I wish I could believe that. __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

08-05-2009, 09:10 PM	#4
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08-05-2009, 11:07 PM	#8
artabr Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Iberia, Louisiana Contributor Posts: 7,859	Re: I gotta wonder I wounder how come their boss, Algore didn't fly to the rescue. Shame he couldn't have been part of a prisoner swap. Art __________________ God and the soldier we like adore, In times of trouble, not before. When troubles ended and all things righted, God is forgotten and the soldier is slighted. Francis Quarles 1592 - 1644 __________________ When asked for my race, I answer CauCajun. Hope is not a plan, and not all change is good. The resistance is here; the resistance is now. RESIST! These hands are neither cold nor are they dead!!

08-06-2009, 05:55 AM	#9
ponycar17 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Carolina Contributor Posts: 4,884	Re: I gotta wonder I think that Kim Jung-Il wanted the most powerful figure he could get to figuratively grovel at his knees in the international scene. He knew that a sitting President wouldn't come to see him, and he also knew that he hated GWB with the feelings being mutual. Therefore he chose the rock star President, Bill Clinton. Having Hilary, a woman, come to the rescue would have made Kim Jung-Il look weak in the Asian community. That brings up a good question... Why the heck have our past 3 Secretaries of State been women when all our enemies have a low respect for women? I'm not bashing women here but our enemies certainly do. Did Albright, Rice or Clinton make any sense whatsoever as SOS picks?... I think not. __________________ Arm yourself with intellectual Ammunition! Gunfacts 5.1 Myth-Busting Facts JustFacts.com on Gun Control Stopping Power, the Downloadable Book

08-06-2009, 06:08 AM	#10
dbrodin V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Duluth MN Posts: 427	Re: I gotta wonder Kim Jung-Il loved Bill Clinton when he was president. They made many "ground breaking" agreements that were highly beneficial to the north, then Kim Jung-Il promptly ignored his side of the deal.

08-06-2009, 03:22 PM	#13
SpazFreak1911 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: New york city Posts: 357	Re: I gotta wonder well isnt this the reporters faults anyway? the illegally got in to the country from china so i guess north korea being north korea can be crazy and arrest em