Return of the Militias - The Firearms Forum

22WRF · 08-13-2009, 11:16 AM

SPLC Special Report: After virtually disappearing from public view a decade ago, the antigovernment militia movement is surging across the country – fueled by fears of a black president, the changing demographics of the country and fringe conspiracy theories increasingly spread by mainstream figures.

http://www.splcenter.org/index.jsp

kingchip · 08-13-2009, 11:18 AM

the problem isn't that he's black, it's that he sees RED !!!!

22WRF · 08-13-2009, 11:37 AM

Conservative Groups Dismiss Report on Rise of Militias
Right-leaning groups say the evidence of a distinct rise in militia-type activity is spotty and that the Southern Poverty Law Center is unfairly lumping isolated extremists in the same category as those who are protesting the administration's economic and social policies

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...ias-anecdotal/

USMC-03 · 08-13-2009, 12:36 PM

I read SPLC report, the first 2/3 in detail and then scanned over the rest. The basic gist is "federal agents good, organized resistance to the Obama administration bad."

It's really little more than a hit piece and has little to no citations for their factual assertions; they do get some of it right but only in part. I certainly agree that there are some radical criminal elements that have attached themselves to the anti-statist movement, and they should be dealt with and prosecuted for any real crimes, but the authors really just gloss over the real issues of contention.

Race may have something to do with it for a small minority, but it is in no way prevalent despite the assertions of the SPLC and other useful idiots of the statist currently in power. They do get one thing right, there is a lot of anger out there, but just don't get why; not that I expected anything less.

armedandsafe · 08-13-2009, 12:36 PM

I was introduced to Southern Poverty Law Center when we were fighting the "It's a Crime, Bill." The "Poverty" is in their intelligence. They never met a "control the peasants" rule they didn't automatically support.

Pops

Trouble 45-70 · 08-13-2009, 01:50 PM

The militias only show up when Progressive Democrats are in control of the White House and the Congress. Like mushrooms after a rain. Question, when was the last time a State chartered militia attacked anyone?

bcj1755 · 08-13-2009, 02:39 PM

The SPLC always screams that everything is because of racism

They are all for more gov't control over the people. SPLC can kiss my Southern a**

I mean really, how many of the people involved with the SOUTHERN Poverty Law Center are actually SOUTHERN? They all sound like New England or California liberals to me

I agree, when WAS the last time one of these "militia" groups attacked in an organized manner? And when was the last time that the federal gov't attacked someone in an organized manner? When was the last time the federal gov't and the puppet "fair and impartial" media attacked and demonized those who disagree? To be perfectly honest, I'd trust most of these "dangerous right-wing extremist militias" more than I'd trust the federal gov't.

Oh dear, I guess I'm on more of the watchlists now

Rocket J Squirl · 08-13-2009, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kingchip

the problem isn't that he's black, it's that he sees RED !!!!

Better said then the rant I had.

doug66 · 08-13-2009, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingchip

the problem isn't that he's black, it's that he sees RED !!!!

+2 on that

kerk · 08-13-2009, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bcj1755

Oh dear, I guess I'm on more of the watchlists now

I wouldn't worry about it bcj...............I think the 'watchlists' have grown beyond their ability to watch. And I would venture a guess that even those who would be 'watching' are now closing one eye.

It's beginning to look like big brother has run into a bigger brother.

sewerman · 08-13-2009, 11:39 PM

kool....

....i'm getting some tee shirts made

sewerman

jacksonco · 08-14-2009, 12:03 AM

I went to the sight and have decided I do not like this group of people. They have a hate map showing the number of hate groups in each state. They hate Lou Dobbs. I figure it will only be a matter of time before Lou ends up on Fox News.

I did find out that Ravenswood WV, my home town, has a KKK chapter. Came as a surprise to me. There are only between 3000 and 4000 people at the most in Ravenswood and I didn't think anything went on there without it being known across the whole county. Perhaps I should get out more?

The SPLC can just dig a hole and jump in it. I'll fill it in for them.

Rocket J Squirl · 08-14-2009, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by sewerman

kool....

....i'm getting some tee shirts made

Bro, Alex beat you to it

http://infowars-shop.stores.yahoo.net/obamashirts.html

artabr · 08-14-2009, 02:02 AM

What a bunch of hypocrites, you go on their site and one of the first things you see is their magazine called "Teaching Tolerance". What a load of load of crap. Sure they're real "tolerant" as long as you're a leftist. I've been watching these jerks for years.

Art

Danwin22 · 08-14-2009, 09:38 AM

I don't like Obama and it has nothing to do with his color.

I don't like Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Ted Kennedy or Harry Reid.

You might say I'm an Anti-Liberal type of guy.

Shooter45 · 08-15-2009, 07:02 AM

I had heard about this the first part of the week on XM radio. As I recall, the research and report was made by the NAACP. Go figure.

Rocket J Squirl · 08-15-2009, 11:53 AM

What the liberals are trying to do is create a racial devide.

The problem with that is there are black and latino groups forming in hte urban regions, who would rather shoot at UN peace keepers, than whitie.

doug66 · 08-15-2009, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by artabr

What a bunch of hypocrites, you go on their site and one of the first things you see is their magazine called "Teaching Tolerance". What a load of load of crap. Sure they're real "tolerant" as long as you're a leftist. I've been watching these jerks for years.

Art

Yeah, that is the last thing I need; so wack job from either an inner city or the east or west coast telling me what to do. This is Kansas, where some us still think we are in the wild west. Leave us rednecks alone.

graehaven · 08-15-2009, 12:59 PM

It's called, "looking for any excuse whatsoever" to disarm the public, the law abiding ones.

So concerned are they about a few fringe individuals (who probably aren't so fringe - they're just constitutional), rather than being concerned about those whizzing all over the constitution - as in Obama and nearly every member of congress (except Ron Paul). They all need to go. They had their chance.

They just confirmed one of the most anti- 2nd amendment judges in the history of the supreme court. Unbe-freakin-lievable. Every republican who confirmed her should be thrown out of office, and of course, every democrat too.

Any of them who have voted for ANY tax increase or ANY increase in spending, while they've been in office, whether for 2 years or decades, should be thrown out. ALL OF THEM!!!!!!!!

dge479 · 08-15-2009, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graehaven

It's called, "looking for any excuse whatsoever" to disarm the public, the law abiding ones.

So concerned are they about a few fringe individuals (who probably aren't so fringe - they're just constitutional), rather than being concerned about those whizzing all over the constitution - as in Obama and nearly every member of congress (except Ron Paul). They all need to go. They had their chance.

They just confirmed one of the most anti- 2nd amendment judges in the history of the supreme court. Unbe-freakin-lievable. Every republican who confirmed her should be thrown out of office, and of course, every democrat too.

Any of them who have voted for ANY tax increase or ANY increase in spending, while they've been in office, whether for 2 years or decades, should be thrown out. ALL OF THEM!!!!!!!!

I aint far off from you there.

prebanjoe · 08-16-2009, 01:02 AM

The SPLC is a scam. Worthless reds and pinkos that have found yet another way to exploit our good nature. Problem is that they have been designated as an "intell" source to Homeland Security Fusion Centers. While most LE and Mil are good joes that just toss the crap that SPLC spews in their publications, I'm not sure about the administrators and leaders, i.e. National Police Chiefs.

The key to everything is preserving the 2nd Amend. When it's gone, so are we.

Islandboy · 08-16-2009, 10:13 AM

It strikes me that if they can "label" every conscientious objector as part of an organized enemy, they create a hate group in the minds of sheep.

Any objector who gets near a Mic or camera should first declare that they are independently minded, and are not part of This group or that.
They should also declare that they are a Law abiding American citizen.
That should help, because then they have to claim that these individuals are lying, which means attacking individual citizens. It is easier when they can lump people into these groups that they target.

Islandboy · 08-16-2009, 10:29 AM

Actually, what about the designation "conscientious objector"
That in itself declares a measure of independent thinking, and if attacked, is an attack on individuals, not a group per se.
There has to be a level of organization, but on a very personal level.
Just thinking aloud.....

armedandsafe · 08-16-2009, 12:06 PM

"Concientious Objector" cuts both ways. When I joined the Army (transfer from National Guard) I declared my affiliation as Quaker. It took intervention by my state's Senator to get them to allow me to take an MOS which would potentially put me in combat as anything but a medic.

I have often wondered what a real criminal investigator might turn up if the spotlight was really put on the SPLC. My dealings with them got pretty hot for awhile, including a late night visit I could never prove was actually sponsored by them.

Pops

08-13-2009, 11:16 AM	#1
22WRF Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pea Ridge, FL Contributor Posts: 4,253	Return of the Militias SPLC Special Report: After virtually disappearing from public view a decade ago, the antigovernment militia movement is surging across the country – fueled by fears of a black president, the changing demographics of the country and fringe conspiracy theories increasingly spread by mainstream figures. http://www.splcenter.org/index.jsp __________________ NRA GOA CCRKBA Happiness is a warm barrel -->

08-13-2009, 11:18 AM	#2
kingchip Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Marble Falls, Texas Posts: 541	Re: Return of the Militias the problem isn't that he's black, it's that he sees RED !!!!

08-13-2009, 11:37 AM	#3
22WRF Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pea Ridge, FL Contributor Posts: 4,253	Re: Return of the Militias Conservative Groups Dismiss Report on Rise of Militias Right-leaning groups say the evidence of a distinct rise in militia-type activity is spotty and that the Southern Poverty Law Center is unfairly lumping isolated extremists in the same category as those who are protesting the administration's economic and social policies http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...ias-anecdotal/ __________________ NRA GOA CCRKBA Happiness is a warm barrel

08-13-2009, 12:36 PM	#4
USMC-03 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Peoples Republic of the Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,825	Re: Return of the Militias I read SPLC report, the first 2/3 in detail and then scanned over the rest. The basic gist is "federal agents good, organized resistance to the Obama administration bad." It's really little more than a hit piece and has little to no citations for their factual assertions; they do get some of it right but only in part. I certainly agree that there are some radical criminal elements that have attached themselves to the anti-statist movement, and they should be dealt with and prosecuted for any real crimes, but the authors really just gloss over the real issues of contention. Race may have something to do with it for a small minority, but it is in no way prevalent despite the assertions of the SPLC and other useful idiots of the statist currently in power. They do get one thing right, there is a lot of anger out there, but just don't get why; not that I expected anything less. __________________ Let not the rifles of good and free men be reforged into plowshares, but may they rest in a place of honor; ready, well oiled and God willing unused. For if the price of peace becomes licking the boots of tyrants, then "To Arms!" I say, and may the fortunes of war smile upon patriots. - Fortes Fortuna Javat -

08-13-2009, 12:36 PM	#5
armedandsafe Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Moses Lake, WA Posts: 10,344	Re: Return of the Militias I was introduced to Southern Poverty Law Center when we were fighting the "It's a Crime, Bill." The "Poverty" is in their intelligence. They never met a "control the peasants" rule they didn't automatically support. Pops

08-13-2009, 01:50 PM	#6
Trouble 45-70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NE Ar. W. of Black River Contributor Posts: 2,703	Re: Return of the Militias The militias only show up when Progressive Democrats are in control of the White House and the Congress. Like mushrooms after a rain. Question, when was the last time a State chartered militia attacked anyone?

08-13-2009, 02:39 PM	#7
bcj1755 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: A wretched hive of scum and villiany Posts: 4,357	Re: Return of the Militias The SPLC always screams that everything is because of racism They are all for more gov't control over the people. SPLC can kiss my Southern a** I mean really, how many of the people involved with the SOUTHERN Poverty Law Center are actually SOUTHERN? They all sound like New England or California liberals to me I agree, when WAS the last time one of these "militia" groups attacked in an organized manner? And when was the last time that the federal gov't attacked someone in an organized manner? When was the last time the federal gov't and the puppet "fair and impartial" media attacked and demonized those who disagree? To be perfectly honest, I'd trust most of these "dangerous right-wing extremist militias" more than I'd trust the federal gov't. Oh dear, I guess I'm on more of the watchlists now __________________ History is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace, and revolution continue on forever. Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges - Cicero If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. - Samuel Adams

08-13-2009, 11:39 PM	#11
sewerman V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: hurricane ally florida Posts: 231	Re: Return of the Militias kool........i'm getting some tee shirts made sewerman

08-14-2009, 12:03 AM	#12
jacksonco Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Jackson County West Virginia Posts: 2,237	Re: Return of the Militias I went to the sight and have decided I do not like this group of people. They have a hate map showing the number of hate groups in each state. They hate Lou Dobbs. I figure it will only be a matter of time before Lou ends up on Fox News. I did find out that Ravenswood WV, my home town, has a KKK chapter. Came as a surprise to me. There are only between 3000 and 4000 people at the most in Ravenswood and I didn't think anything went on there without it being known across the whole county. Perhaps I should get out more? The SPLC can just dig a hole and jump in it. I'll fill it in for them.

08-14-2009, 02:02 AM	#14
artabr Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Iberia, Louisiana Contributor Posts: 7,859	Re: Return of the Militias What a bunch of hypocrites, you go on their site and one of the first things you see is their magazine called "Teaching Tolerance". What a load of load of crap. Sure they're real "tolerant" as long as you're a leftist. I've been watching these jerks for years. Art __________________ God and the soldier we like adore, In times of trouble, not before. When troubles ended and all things righted, God is forgotten and the soldier is slighted. Francis Quarles 1592 - 1644 __________________ When asked for my race, I answer CauCajun. Hope is not a plan, and not all change is good. The resistance is here; the resistance is now. RESIST! These hands are neither cold nor are they dead!!

08-14-2009, 09:38 AM	#15
Danwin22 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central Florida Posts: 223	Re: Return of the Militias I don't like Obama and it has nothing to do with his color. I don't like Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Ted Kennedy or Harry Reid. You might say I'm an Anti-Liberal type of guy.

08-15-2009, 07:02 AM	#16
Shooter45 Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Contributor Posts: 8,753	Re: Return of the Militias I had heard about this the first part of the week on XM radio. As I recall, the research and report was made by the NAACP. Go figure.

08-15-2009, 11:53 AM	#17
Rocket J Squirl Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 418	Re: Return of the Militias What the liberals are trying to do is create a racial devide. The problem with that is there are black and latino groups forming in hte urban regions, who would rather shoot at UN peace keepers, than whitie.

08-15-2009, 12:59 PM	#19
graehaven Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 2,853	Re: Return of the Militias It's called, "looking for any excuse whatsoever" to disarm the public, the law abiding ones. So concerned are they about a few fringe individuals (who probably aren't so fringe - they're just constitutional), rather than being concerned about those whizzing all over the constitution - as in Obama and nearly every member of congress (except Ron Paul). They all need to go. They had their chance. They just confirmed one of the most anti- 2nd amendment judges in the history of the supreme court. Unbe-freakin-lievable. Every republican who confirmed her should be thrown out of office, and of course, every democrat too. Any of them who have voted for ANY tax increase or ANY increase in spending, while they've been in office, whether for 2 years or decades, should be thrown out. ALL OF THEM!!!!!!!! __________________ The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." - Thomas Jefferson RESISTANCE IS FEUDAL... PREPARE TO SERVE.

08-16-2009, 01:02 AM	#21
prebanjoe Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N. Fl. Posts: 1	Re: Return of the Militias The SPLC is a scam. Worthless reds and pinkos that have found yet another way to exploit our good nature. Problem is that they have been designated as an "intell" source to Homeland Security Fusion Centers. While most LE and Mil are good joes that just toss the crap that SPLC spews in their publications, I'm not sure about the administrators and leaders, i.e. National Police Chiefs. The key to everything is preserving the 2nd Amend. When it's gone, so are we. __________________ "and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

08-16-2009, 10:13 AM	#22
Islandboy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Off the right coast Posts: 676	Re: Return of the Militias It strikes me that if they can "label" every conscientious objector as part of an organized enemy, they create a hate group in the minds of sheep. Any objector who gets near a Mic or camera should first declare that they are independently minded, and are not part of This group or that. They should also declare that they are a Law abiding American citizen. That should help, because then they have to claim that these individuals are lying, which means attacking individual citizens. It is easier when they can lump people into these groups that they target. __________________ A politician can do only that which the law provides,but, a private citizen can do anything that the law does not prohibit. -AR. When they came and got me, I went Peaceful.

08-16-2009, 10:29 AM	#23
Islandboy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Off the right coast Posts: 676	Re: Return of the Militias Actually, what about the designation "conscientious objector" That in itself declares a measure of independent thinking, and if attacked, is an attack on individuals, not a group per se. There has to be a level of organization, but on a very personal level. Just thinking aloud..... __________________ A politician can do only that which the law provides,but, a private citizen can do anything that the law does not prohibit. -AR. When they came and got me, I went Peaceful.

08-16-2009, 12:06 PM	#24
armedandsafe Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Moses Lake, WA Posts: 10,344	Re: Return of the Militias "Concientious Objector" cuts both ways. When I joined the Army (transfer from National Guard) I declared my affiliation as Quaker. It took intervention by my state's Senator to get them to allow me to take an MOS which would potentially put me in combat as anything but a medic. I have often wondered what a real criminal investigator might turn up if the spotlight was really put on the SPLC. My dealings with them got pretty hot for awhile, including a late night visit I could never prove was actually sponsored by them. Pops