Obomba on abortion

[Bobitis]

Let me know if I get this right.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...est=latestnews

Yet he supports abortion in ObombaCare?

How does THAT work?

Shooting an inocent protester across the street is bad, but taking my taxes to support abortion is ok?

What on EARTH am I missing here???

[Trouble 45-70]

To Obama its' just a piece of tissue. Whenever we got pregnant, it was always a baby not a tissue, fetus it was a baby! Guess what. it was always a baby 6 times. My wife never gave birth to a tissue or fetus, just babies. Not even a watermelon, always a baby. If he could have politically gotten away with praising the slaying of a pro-lifer I think he would have. I might be wrong but I don't think so or he never would have appointed some of his czars some of whom favor post postpartum abortion.

[graehaven]

He doesn't care. He won. He gets to remake America. He got a mandate.

what's not to understand. man ur thick. [sarcasm]

..when evil rules, the people mourn. Proverbs. Whole lot of mourning going on. We have evil rulers.

It's going to get a lot worse.

[momo]

I only wish Obama's mother had praticed what he preaches about abortion.

[JohnBrainard]

Anyone notice the headline of that article uses the term Anti-Abortion rather than Pro-Life? You'll never see a headline that refers to someone that's Anti-Life.

Human Events has it right... Obama's more pro-choice than NARAL.

[red14]

Originally Posted by JohnBrainard

Anyone notice the headline of that article uses the term Anti-Abortion rather than Pro-Life? You'll never see a headline that refers to someone that's Anti-Life.

Human Events has it right... Obama's more pro-choice than NARAL.

That's a good point. Anti-abortion sounds worse than Pro Life. Just as Pro Choice sounds better than Anti Life, or more appropriately, ................. Unborn Baby Murderer!

I believe that's the Liberal agenda, to put a happy face on an evil view.

[Huck Finn]

He's just trying to keep long term costs down. An abortion is a cheap proceedure, in the $200 range. One simple procedure will save money on a life time of free medical care, a life time of welfare, 12 years of a free public education that will be wasted.

It may save the life of a police officer at best. At the least, it will save hundreds of thousands of dollars in storing the unwanted child in jails and prisons, and court costs will be nill. Then when this unwanted welfare rat finally contracts AIDS or Cancer, it will save hundreds of thousands more in end of life care.

On a more personal note, it may save your car being stolen or your home broken into. There's a 50/50 chance it will prevent a rape. All in all, it will go a long way in being able to lower the national debt to the Clinton levels and may even lower taxes for us hard workin' tax payin' men with out having to cut out a single program.

I say we all get behind it and take a big dent out of the uncontrolled spending that's been going on for 8 1/2 years!
I will now take any questions you might have....

[glocknut]

Originally Posted by Huck Finn

He's just trying to keep long term costs down. An abortion is a cheap proceedure, in the $200 range. One simple procedure will save money on a life time of free medical care, a life time of welfare, 12 years of a free public education that will be wasted.

It may save the life of a police officer at best. At the least, it will save hundreds of thousands of dollars in storing the unwanted child in jails and prisons, and court costs will be nill. Then when this unwanted welfare rat finally contracts AIDS or Cancer, it will save hundreds of thousands more in end of life care.

On a more personal note, it may save your car being stolen or your home broken into. There's a 50/50 chance it will prevent a rape. All in all, it will go a long way in being able to lower the national debt to the Clinton levels and may even lower taxes for us hard workin' tax payin' men with out having to cut out a single program.

I say we all get behind it and take a big dent out of the uncontrolled spending that's been going on for 8 1/2 years!
I will now take any questions you might have....

Just goes to show how fast a bad case of roids can sneak up on a person.... about the same frequency as Huck showing up on TFF.

mike
gn

[Huck Finn]

Originally Posted by glocknut

Just goes to show how fast a bad case of roids can sneak up on a person.... about the same frequency as Huck showing up on TFF.

mike
gn

Mike, you've got me with the whole roid thing. If you're implying that I'm a roid, I'll take that as a compliment as a roid is the only non lethal cure for homosexuality. So it looks like we're preventing sin and saving a big chunk a change so far in this little give and take. I appreciate your input.
I did throw open the floor to questions and I'd be honoured to entertain any you might have. Just jump right in big guy.

[glocknut]

Originally Posted by Huck Finn

Mike, you've got me with the whole roid thing. If you're implying that I'm a roid, I'll take that as a compliment as a roid is the only non lethal cure for homosexuality. So it looks like we're preventing sin and saving a big chunk a change so far in this little give and take. I appreciate your input.
I did throw open the floor to questions and I'd be honoured to entertain any you might have. Just jump right in big guy.

Ewww... 2 posts in one day. I must have riled you up a bit?

mike
gn

[Huck Finn]

Originally Posted by glocknut

Ewww... 2 posts in one day. I must have riled you up a bit?

mike
gn

Riled? No. I'm a beacon of light, helping my fellow Americans to find a BIG way to trim a ton of fat out of the health care budget, the police budget and to make our great country a safer place to live. I'm amazed that my theory has recieved such a warm welcome because I haven't hear a word of dissent. The ball's in your court pard...

[glocknut]

Originally Posted by Huck Finn

Riled? No. I'm a beacon of light, helping my fellow Americans to find a BIG way to trim a ton of fat out of the health care budget, the police budget and to make our great country a safer place to live. I'm amazed that my theory has recieved such a warm welcome because I haven't hear a word of dissent. The ball's in your court pard...

You have not heard any "dissent" because we all know its pointless to argue with a mindless leftist who cannot see what is right in front of his own face...

Beacon of light? Or more like your parents let you back onto their computer so you can make some more harrassing posts on TFF....

mike
gn

[Huck Finn]

Originally Posted by glocknut

You have not heard any "dissent" because we all know its pointless to argue with a mindless leftist who cannot see what is right in front of his own face...

Beacon of light? Or more like your parents let you back onto their computer so you can make some more harrassing posts on TFF....

mike
gn

Well Mike don't argue with a mindless leftist who cannot see what's clearly in front of my face. So instead of argueing with a minless idiot, why not critique the points I made so clearly. Surely they're clear enough for you to understand. I'd really like to get a "Righty Brain Trust" such as yourself to evaluate my theorums and projections. It really will make the world a better place, And if you need my help in clairifying anything, just ask old pard.

[GunHugger]

Originally Posted by Huck Finn

Well Mike don't argue with a mindless leftist who cannot see what's clearly in front of my face. So instead of argueing with a minless idiot, why not critique the points I made so clearly. Surely they're clear enough for you to understand. I'd really like to get a "Righty Brain Trust" such as yourself to evaluate my theorums and projections. It really will make the world a better place, And if you need my help in clairifying anything, just ask old pard.

[GMFWoodchuck]

The only reason why abortions cost 200 dollars is because they are subsidized by your state governments, and now our federal government. The clinic/doctor gets more than that. That's why planned parenthood is able stay in business. It's just like the cash for clunkers program. People were able to get a 20,000 dollar car for 12,000 dollars.

[JohnBrainard]

Originally Posted by Huck Finn

He's just trying to keep long term costs down. An abortion is a cheap proceedure, in the $200 range. One simple procedure will save money on a life time of free medical care, a life time of welfare, 12 years of a free public education that will be wasted.

It may save the life of a police officer at best. At the least, it will save hundreds of thousands of dollars in storing the unwanted child in jails and prisons, and court costs will be nill. Then when this unwanted welfare rat finally contracts AIDS or Cancer, it will save hundreds of thousands more in end of life care.

On a more personal note, it may save your car being stolen or your home broken into. There's a 50/50 chance it will prevent a rape. All in all, it will go a long way in being able to lower the national debt to the Clinton levels and may even lower taxes for us hard workin' tax payin' men with out having to cut out a single program.

I say we all get behind it and take a big dent out of the uncontrolled spending that's been going on for 8 1/2 years!
I will now take any questions you might have....

It could also be killing the cure for cancer.

If it's the money savings you're worried about, why not support dismantling the wasteful programs? They aren't even constitutional anyway... I'd like to know where in the Constitution it gives the federal government power over schools and healthcare.

And if abortion is such a cheap procedure and a great way to save money, then, when you're old and your healthcare costs start rising, you'll be okay with the government aborting you instead of wasting money keeping you alive.

[Doc1911]

Most children do not grow up and kill police officers, fill our courts and jails, or contract AIDS, etc. A pessimistic view of ALL children fails to understand that without OUR children the US has no American future. This view encourages the United States to become the Arab States.

[red14]

Huck, have you ever seen what happens with a late term abortion (partial birth)? It is too grisly for this forum. Maybe you should check it out before you make up your mind.

[Trouble 45-70]

Huck, most of the posters on this forum see abortion for the evil it is. It is the legal murder of the most helpless among us. To prejudge a life before it begins is so sad. It presupposes that many of these babies will turnout as you suggest and for those who won't turn out this way, their demise is the price to improve our society. I have known too many people who have come out of the most hellish environment and become good parents and citizens. Our misleaders will not allow us to deal with the criminal element. We want these people locked up but they keep turning them loose until they kill someone and even then they try to turn these people loose on their communities.

[millwright]

I long ago concluded abortion was private business twixt a woman and her doctor/priest......IOW, none of my damn business......And most certainly not that of politicians, professional pastors and various sanctimonious others preying upon human frailities......

In some three thousand years about all we've accomplished is to reduce mortality figures for women undergoing the procedure. We sure as hell haven't done squat to teach males to do their share and keep it in their pants......>MW

[JohnBrainard]

Originally Posted by millwright

I long ago concluded abortion was private business twixt a woman and her doctor/priest......IOW, none of my damn business......And most certainly not that of politicians, professional pastors and various sanctimonious others preying upon human frailities......

In some three thousand years about all we've accomplished is to reduce mortality figures for women undergoing the procedure. We sure as hell haven't done squat to teach males to do their share and keep it in their pants......>MW

Because women can't be held responsible for doing their part, right?

Why does it always come down to it being a woman's decision? Why does the man never get to decide that the life he created should be allowed to live? Both people know, going into the deed, that a baby could be the result of their actions. The baby shouldn't be punished because mom or dad refuse to take responsibility.

[carver]

Originally Posted by Huck Finn

He's just trying to keep long term costs down. An abortion is a cheap proceedure, in the $200 range. One simple procedure will save money on a life time of free medical care, a life time of welfare, 12 years of a free public education that will be wasted.

It may save the life of a police officer at best. At the least, it will save hundreds of thousands of dollars in storing the unwanted child in jails and prisons, and court costs will be nill. Then when this unwanted welfare rat finally contracts AIDS or Cancer, it will save hundreds of thousands more in end of life care.

On a more personal note, it may save your car being stolen or your home broken into. There's a 50/50 chance it will prevent a rape. All in all, it will go a long way in being able to lower the national debt to the Clinton levels and may even lower taxes for us hard workin' tax payin' men with out having to cut out a single program.

I say we all get behind it and take a big dent out of the uncontrolled spending that's been going on for 8 1/2 years!
I will now take any questions you might have....

I wonder if there would be a 50/50 chance of this health care bill getting rid of trolls, and liberals? No way it could be that easy!

[red14]

Originally Posted by JohnBrainard

Because women can't be held responsible for doing their part, right?

Why does it always come down to it being a woman's decision? Why does the man never get to decide that the life he created should be allowed to live? Both people know, going into the deed, that a baby could be the result of their actions. The baby shouldn't be punished because mom or dad refuse to take responsibility.

I think responsibility is the operative word here. Being responsible is the diference between being a father and a sperm donor. IMO most of our problems with murder and crime is no (or crappy) male parental influence.

Boys seek role models. If a father does not exist, they will choose a gang banger. That's why I coach youth athletics. Maybe, in some small way, I can make a difference in a child's life. On my 12 man roster, only 3 boys have the same biological parents listed on my call sheet. 3 only have mothers listed.

[kingnothingugm]

According to Huck's logic it would be cheaper to abort ALL children...Huck, Do you have any idea the cost of raising a child? Including the children who grow up to become President? I'd say the idea of paying tuition for medical school or law school would be enough for you to punch your pregnant partner in the stomach.

[4EvrLearning]

This is the first I've opened up this thread, and I've only just read the last 4 posts, due to time constraints. Here are my thoughts...

First, this is a hugely personal and polarizing topic. Personal, because I believe few people change their minds once they make their decision about abortion, pro or con...which leads to the polarizing effect. It's not a topic that lends itself easily to middle ground.

I am adamantly against abortion, pure and simple. I know all the "middle ground" arguments, but none of them have changed my opinion, nor will they.

As for men having a say, I agree...it takes 2 to make a baby (we'll presume in vitro wasn't used) and IF the male has the means to monetarily and physically care for the baby, he should be able to override the female's decision to abort.

If neither wants to or can care for the baby, then in my opinion adoption is the way to go. Is it inconvenient to carry a child you don't want? I can only imagine it is. But when you "do the deed" as someone said, you need to realize what the potential outcome of that is before your 15 mins. of thrills. (Time can be adjusted as necessary...)

HuckFinn: If I may be so bold as to presume, you have some serious bitterness (hatred?) that is fueling your opinions, at least in part. And what makes me really sad is that the discussion about a LIFE comes down to $$$. What value, in dollars, lira, or gold, can a person rightly put on a human life? How much are YOU worth? Is that even a fair question? The expenses of raising a child should NOT be what determine that child's worth or value.

My mom wanted to kill herself when she found out she was going to have me, for reasons which I won't divulge here. Perhaps some wish she would have tried harder! Personally...I'm glad she didn't succeed (and she's glad, too). I'd like to think I've added some "value" to my small corner of the world.

I firmly believe that God determines each and every life that is created. There are NO MISTAKES, despite what we may consider a mistake based on circumstances, inconvenience, money, etc. How that life is ultimately treated and cared for makes all the difference in the world. To set arbitrary standards of monetary value or social worth (i.e., should we abort handicapped or "imperfect" babies?) is abominable to me.

Lastly...I realize it's more than likely that someone reading this thread has had an abortion, or had a partner who did. I don't stand in a place of condemnation or judgment; that's not my job. I grieve for the life lost, and have compassion for the residual pain and guilt that person probably carries.

In closing...Psalm 139:13-16

13 For You formed my inward parts;
You wove me in my mother's womb.

14 I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
Wonderful are Your works,
And my soul knows it very well.

15 My frame was not hidden from You,
When I was made in secret,
And skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth;

16 Your eyes have seen my unformed substance;
And in Your book were all written
The days that were ordained for me,
When as yet there was not one of them.