Carrying-cocked and locked? - The Firearms Forum

tntrucker · 10-11-2009, 09:13 PM

Been playing in the safe. I swear; I think my surplus CZ-82 fits my hand better than anything I have. I had never considered it for carry. But ,it fits my hand great- ambi. safety and mag. release(I'm a lefty)- it's a good shooter. I had become sort of a miser about my ammo. Find I'm flush with 9x18 including self- defence. Seriously thinking about swapping to the CZ from Kahr CW-40 (13 rd. compared to 7).
My QUESTION: CZ safety is designed for cocked and locked. This isn't a 1911. It's a USED CZ. The safety clicks on and off good! But I've never carried anything cocked and locked (to my shame I don't own a 1911). The CZ has a a really sweet D/A pull.
Which would be Safer; cocked and locked or safety off-hammer down. Hope someone has info, cause I'm not going to carry unless I'm sure it's safe!

Alpo · 10-11-2009, 10:02 PM

I have no experience with the 82. I do know that the CZ75 was designed so it could be carried cocked and locked. That gave you the option of carrying hammer down (DA) or condition 1 (SA), depending on how you were trained and what you felt more comfortable with. Either way is safe.

I presume that if the 82 can be carried cocked and locked, it was designed the same way.

woolleyworm · 10-11-2009, 11:42 PM

I think my signature tells it all here. Only guns I own with manual safeties are long ones! A friend recently picked up 3 of the CZ82's and I got to shoot one for the first time last month. I was quite impressed with it; very solid and darn accurate. He paid a little under $300 ea for it, a pretty good deal IMO after shooting it.

user · 10-12-2009, 07:23 AM

The Kahr is a (trigger-cocking) double-action only; there is no external safety, and no external decocking mechanism. So there's no hammer to cock; it's like carrying cocked-and-locked all the time, anyway. So that's a nonissue.

Helix_FR · 10-12-2009, 11:43 AM

Don't have a 82 but I have a 83. Same gun, different caliber. I know a few guys that carry the 82 cocked and locked. The 82's are equipped with a very clever internal hammer block safety. It sits along with the sear. If the gun is dropped say right on the hammer it will not fire. The hammer block will not allow the hammer to contact the pin unless the trigger is at full rear position. Many people complain about the CZ's overtravel but the reason for this is the hammer safety being moved down in that over travel.
The sear notches are very robust and at a positive engagement. Some are so deep and angled that if you watch closely you can actually see the hammer fall back a little further in SA mode. Some people have had this corrected to lighten the trigger pull so check yours to see if that is the case.
Along with using the safety IMO I believe your pretty safe to carry C&L

Lost One · 10-17-2009, 09:47 AM

I dont have the CZ but I am running into something similar. I have had a permit for about 15 years and got out of carrying for about the last 10 years. I just recently started to carry again.

Back when carrying I carried a 1991 with one in the pipe and the hammer down, then switched to a Browning HP and carried the same as the 1991 both of those being SA I would have to pull the hammer back to be able to use it. I then went to a Beretta Chetta that had DA so I was able to put one in the pipe but with hammer down I was able to fire it using the DA.

I just bought a Ruger SR9 for carry and now I dont have the ability to put the hammer down and its not DA only so if I put one in the pipe and the safety on I am carrying in the cocked and locked mode basically. I guess I will just have to get over the idea of a mechanical failure in the safety and accept that the guns safety will do its job. From reading its the same design principle as the Glock (striker fire) but with the option of a thumb safety.

10-11-2009, 09:13 PM	#1
tntrucker V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 119	Carrying-cocked and locked? Been playing in the safe. I swear; I think my surplus CZ-82 fits my hand better than anything I have. I had never considered it for carry. But ,it fits my hand great- ambi. safety and mag. release(I'm a lefty)- it's a good shooter. I had become sort of a miser about my ammo. Find I'm flush with 9x18 including self- defence. Seriously thinking about swapping to the CZ from Kahr CW-40 (13 rd. compared to 7). My QUESTION: CZ safety is designed for cocked and locked. This isn't a 1911. It's a USED CZ. The safety clicks on and off good! But I've never carried anything cocked and locked (to my shame I don't own a 1911). The CZ has a a really sweet D/A pull. Which would be Safer; cocked and locked or safety off-hammer down. Hope someone has info, cause I'm not going to carry unless I'm sure it's safe! -->

10-11-2009, 10:02 PM	#2
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,662	Re: Carrying-cocked and locked? I have no experience with the 82. I do know that the CZ75 was designed so it could be carried cocked and locked. That gave you the option of carrying hammer down (DA) or condition 1 (SA), depending on how you were trained and what you felt more comfortable with. Either way is safe. I presume that if the 82 can be carried cocked and locked, it was designed the same way. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

10-11-2009, 11:42 PM	#3
woolleyworm TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SW Fort Worth Contributor Posts: 4,885	Re: Carrying-cocked and locked? I think my signature tells it all here. Only guns I own with manual safeties are long ones! A friend recently picked up 3 of the CZ82's and I got to shoot one for the first time last month. I was quite impressed with it; very solid and darn accurate. He paid a little under $300 ea for it, a pretty good deal IMO after shooting it. __________________ . What are you gonna do, talk the alien to death? -- (on Sigourney Weaver's worry about Guns in Aliens) "Safety is something that happens between your ears, not something you hold in your hands." "I carry a small gun to compensate for my huge Blue press." .

10-12-2009, 07:23 AM	#4
user Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northern piedmont of Va. and Middle of Nowhere, West Virginia Posts: 1,013	Re: Carrying-cocked and locked? The Kahr is a (trigger-cocking) double-action only; there is no external safety, and no external decocking mechanism. So there's no hammer to cock; it's like carrying cocked-and-locked all the time, anyway. So that's a nonissue. __________________ ===== Daniel L. Hawes - 540 347 2430 - HTTP://www.VirginiaLegalDefense.com By the way, nothing I say on this website as "user" should be taken as either advertising for attorney services or legal advice. Everyone having a question regarding the application of law to the facts of their situation should seek the advice of an attorney competent in the subject matter of the issues presented and licensed to practice in the relevant state.

10-12-2009, 11:43 AM	#5
Helix_FR TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Imperial, MO Posts: 3,625	Re: Carrying-cocked and locked? Don't have a 82 but I have a 83. Same gun, different caliber. I know a few guys that carry the 82 cocked and locked. The 82's are equipped with a very clever internal hammer block safety. It sits along with the sear. If the gun is dropped say right on the hammer it will not fire. The hammer block will not allow the hammer to contact the pin unless the trigger is at full rear position. Many people complain about the CZ's overtravel but the reason for this is the hammer safety being moved down in that over travel. The sear notches are very robust and at a positive engagement. Some are so deep and angled that if you watch closely you can actually see the hammer fall back a little further in SA mode. Some people have had this corrected to lighten the trigger pull so check yours to see if that is the case. Along with using the safety IMO I believe your pretty safe to carry C&L

10-17-2009, 09:47 AM	#6
Lost One V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: SLC, Ut. Posts: 64	Re: Carrying-cocked and locked? I dont have the CZ but I am running into something similar. I have had a permit for about 15 years and got out of carrying for about the last 10 years. I just recently started to carry again. Back when carrying I carried a 1991 with one in the pipe and the hammer down, then switched to a Browning HP and carried the same as the 1991 both of those being SA I would have to pull the hammer back to be able to use it. I then went to a Beretta Chetta that had DA so I was able to put one in the pipe but with hammer down I was able to fire it using the DA. I just bought a Ruger SR9 for carry and now I dont have the ability to put the hammer down and its not DA only so if I put one in the pipe and the safety on I am carrying in the cocked and locked mode basically. I guess I will just have to get over the idea of a mechanical failure in the safety and accept that the guns safety will do its job. From reading its the same design principle as the Glock (striker fire) but with the option of a thumb safety.