Help needed with markings - The Firearms Forum

ngonyama · 10-02-2009, 04:43 PM

Hi:
I'm new to the forum and any help will be greatly appreciated.
I have a Remington 1875 that has on the right side of the frame the inscription
C.F.P.A., Does anybody has any idea of what these mean?
Thanks in advance!!

jondar · 10-03-2009, 04:28 PM

That's a tough one. In the firearms world C. F. usually stands for Center Fire which the 1875 would be. P.A., I don't know. One other thing may be one of the owner's initials. You find these not uncommon on British Webley revolvers with the initials of the officer who owned it inscribed into the backstrap. Do these look like engraving or something stamped in at the factory?

woolleyworm · 10-03-2009, 05:12 PM

Could be that the PA is a date mark, put it in the 1980's.

Do have any pics?

ngonyama · 10-05-2009, 07:12 PM

Here are some photos. I would like to know what is the approximate value of this revolver, a ball park figure.
It has the following markings: Barrel: the Remington & Sons mark. Lt. trigger guard: 44, Lt butt frame: (a batch #) 884 and the already mentioned C.F.P.A.
The revolver had the finish removed, showing miriads of tiny scratches all over as well as dings. The original finish appears to have been blue, since there are remainders of it in the crevices. The grips are good, not cracked and well fitting. The action is pretty smooth and locks nice, very little play in it. the barrel rifling is blunt but visible, I would say 50% worn, with some pitting and darkening. The barrel and the cylinder shows pitting as well. This revolver was supposedly manufactured between 1882 and 1886.
Photos are included.
Thank you for any help!!
J.C.

ngonyama · 10-05-2009, 07:13 PM

A couple of additional pics of Remington 1875

56/50 · 10-05-2009, 08:32 PM

ngonyama; I've finally found someone else with a Rem. 1875 (original) YOU!! Mine is Identical to yours but mine is a .44 rimfire and I've got 26 rounds all copper cases! The action is perfect even though the left side is pretty rough but the right side is about like yours. All the cartridges like the gun are rough on one side only, which to me looks like the gun and cartridges rested on one side for many years, from it's numbers was out on the plains in the 1880's or their abouts,lost by a soldier! My book on Rem. says C.F. is centerfire and P.A. maybe a inspector initials. I'll work on it for you! Joe

ngonyama · 10-05-2009, 09:28 PM

Joe:
If you like these revolvers, go to the "Remington Society" website. They have a forum for old revolvers there with some more information. I'm puzzled by your statement that the revolver is a 44 rimfire. I know that the first batches were chambered in 44 Remington caliber. Was this a rimfire cartridge?
Thank you for your help!
J. Cardenas

56/50 · 10-06-2009, 05:50 PM

I'm pretty sure it's the Remington caliber, but even the book I have on Rem. handguns only states, I quote" The original shell for which this model was chambered, the .44 Remington pistol cartridge, is scarce and information about it both scarce and obscure. In size and general form, it is a very slightly smaller edition of the .44 Colt. The ammunition was made only by E. Remington and Sons, never gained widespread use and expired at or before the time the Remington firm changed hands in 1888." end quote!! I do follow The Remington Society as well as others but you are the first from the Forum or Northeast shooters to have one!! Still working on the initials C.P. stay in touch! Joe

56/50 · 10-09-2009, 09:18 PM

J.Cardenas: I checked out P.A. for inspector initial's none listed as yet, but I've got so many books I'm still looking for a few more hidden around here!! Where there is no space between C.F. and P.A. it's really an interesting problem! Joe

45Auto · 10-12-2009, 03:18 PM

The CFPA looks more like an ownership mark to me. It could be for a freight company, rail road, law enforcement, prison etc.

mark_baron · 10-12-2009, 04:08 PM

excuse me.

TRAP55 · 10-17-2009, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 45Auto

The CFPA looks more like an ownership mark to me. It could be for a freight company, rail road, law enforcement, prison etc.

That's what it is, so the question is who and what CFPA is or was.
I don't know if Remington has the records on the 1875 like Colt has, but if they do, it may show who it was shipped to.

56/50 · 10-18-2009, 08:43 PM

I was told by Remington people that they don't have records that far back!! But I'm going to try another connection and maybe I'll get lucky! Maybe the first person I talked to just didn't know how to check on the old record's, I'll try again. Joe

10-02-2009, 04:43 PM	#1
ngonyama Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4	Help needed with markings Hi: I'm new to the forum and any help will be greatly appreciated. I have a Remington 1875 that has on the right side of the frame the inscription C.F.P.A., Does anybody has any idea of what these mean? Thanks in advance!! -->

10-03-2009, 04:28 PM	#2
jondar V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 461	Re: Help needed with markings That's a tough one. In the firearms world C. F. usually stands for Center Fire which the 1875 would be. P.A., I don't know. One other thing may be one of the owner's initials. You find these not uncommon on British Webley revolvers with the initials of the officer who owned it inscribed into the backstrap. Do these look like engraving or something stamped in at the factory?

10-03-2009, 05:12 PM	#3
woolleyworm TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SW Fort Worth Contributor Posts: 4,887	Re: Help needed with markings Could be that the PA is a date mark, put it in the 1980's. Do have any pics? __________________ . What are you gonna do, talk the alien to death? -- (on Sigourney Weaver's worry about Guns in Aliens) "Safety is something that happens between your ears, not something you hold in your hands." "I carry a small gun to compensate for my huge Blue press." .

10-05-2009, 07:12 PM	#4
ngonyama Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4	Re: Photos of revolver Here are some photos. I would like to know what is the approximate value of this revolver, a ball park figure. It has the following markings: Barrel: the Remington & Sons mark. Lt. trigger guard: 44, Lt butt frame: (a batch #) 884 and the already mentioned C.F.P.A. The revolver had the finish removed, showing miriads of tiny scratches all over as well as dings. The original finish appears to have been blue, since there are remainders of it in the crevices. The grips are good, not cracked and well fitting. The action is pretty smooth and locks nice, very little play in it. the barrel rifling is blunt but visible, I would say 50% worn, with some pitting and darkening. The barrel and the cylinder shows pitting as well. This revolver was supposedly manufactured between 1882 and 1886. Photos are included. Thank you for any help!! J.C. Attached Images

10-05-2009, 07:13 PM	#5
ngonyama Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4	Re: Help needed with markings A couple of additional pics of Remington 1875 Attached Images

10-05-2009, 08:32 PM	#6
56/50 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 35	Re: Help needed with markings ngonyama; I've finally found someone else with a Rem. 1875 (original) YOU!! Mine is Identical to yours but mine is a .44 rimfire and I've got 26 rounds all copper cases! The action is perfect even though the left side is pretty rough but the right side is about like yours. All the cartridges like the gun are rough on one side only, which to me looks like the gun and cartridges rested on one side for many years, from it's numbers was out on the plains in the 1880's or their abouts,lost by a soldier! My book on Rem. says C.F. is centerfire and P.A. maybe a inspector initials. I'll work on it for you! Joe

10-05-2009, 09:28 PM	#7
ngonyama Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4	Re: Help needed with markings Joe: If you like these revolvers, go to the "Remington Society" website. They have a forum for old revolvers there with some more information. I'm puzzled by your statement that the revolver is a 44 rimfire. I know that the first batches were chambered in 44 Remington caliber. Was this a rimfire cartridge? Thank you for your help! J. Cardenas

10-06-2009, 05:50 PM	#8
56/50 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 35	Re: Help needed with markings I'm pretty sure it's the Remington caliber, but even the book I have on Rem. handguns only states, I quote" The original shell for which this model was chambered, the .44 Remington pistol cartridge, is scarce and information about it both scarce and obscure. In size and general form, it is a very slightly smaller edition of the .44 Colt. The ammunition was made only by E. Remington and Sons, never gained widespread use and expired at or before the time the Remington firm changed hands in 1888." end quote!! I do follow The Remington Society as well as others but you are the first from the Forum or Northeast shooters to have one!! Still working on the initials C.P. stay in touch! Joe

10-09-2009, 09:18 PM	#9
56/50 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 35	Re: Help needed with markings J.Cardenas: I checked out P.A. for inspector initial's none listed as yet, but I've got so many books I'm still looking for a few more hidden around here!! Where there is no space between C.F. and P.A. it's really an interesting problem! Joe

10-12-2009, 03:18 PM	#10
45Auto Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,124	Re: Help needed with markings The CFPA looks more like an ownership mark to me. It could be for a freight company, rail road, law enforcement, prison etc.

10-12-2009, 04:08 PM	#11
mark_baron V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tampa Bay Area, Florida Posts: 112	Re: Help needed with markings excuse me. Last edited by mark_baron; 10-12-2009 at 04:13 PM.. Reason: error in posting

10-18-2009, 08:43 PM	#13
56/50 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 35	Re: Help needed with markings I was told by Remington people that they don't have records that far back!! But I'm going to try another connection and maybe I'll get lucky! Maybe the first person I talked to just didn't know how to check on the old record's, I'll try again. Joe