Can a 1911 design last as long as a Sig P220? - Page 2 - The Firearms Forum

12-27-2003, 07:10 PM

In my .44 apc pistol (model 1911 own invention) I think the double recoil spring was a 22 pounder...took a man and a boy to pull the slide open.

I put the gun back in its original .45 acp mode with a single 16 pound recoil spring...smooth as glass to pull open.

Gunguy

elber · 12-29-2003, 09:20 AM

Not to change the subject, but....

How does the cleanup compare between the 1911 and the P220?

-elber

45Smashemflat · 12-29-2003, 12:07 PM

The 220 strips faster - but other than that I'm not sure that there is a difference....

One point, for group training purposes, the 220 design is pretty cool - you can thumb down the slide release, slip the slide and barrel off and then "point" your frame around a classroom for various demonstrations and veiwing angles. This is handy and not nearly as unsafe looking as demonstrating with a fully assembled gun. Just a point, can't do that as spiffy with a 1911.

sig_230 · 12-30-2003, 07:48 PM

Two others that you should consider are the Dan Wessons and the SiG GSR. Supposedly the GSRs have shipped to the distributors. And the Dan Wessons I've shot have been, well, fantastic. I was shooting a Patriot the other day and it was good enouogh to make me consider getting a Bottom Feeder.

45ACP. Way to good a round to waste in a Bottom Feeder.

Woodman · 01-22-2004, 12:06 AM

Mike, I'm really sorry you had a bad, or several, bad experiences with Colt. There was a time in the '80's when US auto workers were leaving soda cans in doors... manure happens, and I don't know your story.

My first Colt was a 40S&W Double Eagle 4" barrel. Lots and lots of metal. Very little recoil. Shot a thousand rounds through it, learned all about the, it didn't fit my general collecting pattern, and I sold it for the Para single stack I pick up tomorrow (just moving on to another gun; nothing personal about the D.E.).

I next bought the Colt 01091, and there were some machining issues I didn't like. I sent it back before firing it, and they made it more than right. A longtime local firearms instructor claims he never felt a sweeter trigger on a Colt. So I guess you can tell I like Colts. I like the way they are put together. There's only one original.

And the LDA Para Ordnance single stack? I think it was designed by angels. It just floats in my hand.

I have not shot the Glocks; I don't care for the styling, but plenty of LEO's trust their lives to Glocks every day, so I have nothing bad to say about them.

P.S. About going 20K+ rounds? I have several guns with over 2K rounds which still look NIB. It will take a few years before I get up to those numbers, but I'd suspect with regular cleaning of the bore and associated parts, wear should be minimal. If a component is going to break, it should fail within the first few hundred rounds. By 300-1000, I'd expect any gun to be 100%.

An exception is my Inox Tomcat. It was 97% for the first 200-250 or so, and it's been 100% since (700+/-).

I hear of guns being 100% out of the box, but I cannot believe it would be consistantly so for each product issued.

Even a Mercedes has a "break-in" period.

VIPERGTSR01 · 01-22-2004, 12:46 AM

i have now shot over 300 rounds through my new para ordnance P18.38S limited without a hitch

12-27-2003, 07:10 PM	#26
Gunguy Adnanced Senior Member Posts: n/a	In my .44 apc pistol (model 1911 own invention) I think the double recoil spring was a 22 pounder...took a man and a boy to pull the slide open. I put the gun back in its original .45 acp mode with a single 16 pound recoil spring...smooth as glass to pull open. Gunguy Attached Images

12-29-2003, 09:20 AM	#27
elber Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 25	How about the cleanup? Not to change the subject, but.... How does the cleanup compare between the 1911 and the P220? -elber

01-22-2004, 12:06 AM	#30
Woodman V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Da' Keystone State Posts: 270	Mike, I'm really sorry you had a bad, or several, bad experiences with Colt. There was a time in the '80's when US auto workers were leaving soda cans in doors... manure happens, and I don't know your story. My first Colt was a 40S&W Double Eagle 4" barrel. Lots and lots of metal. Very little recoil. Shot a thousand rounds through it, learned all about the, it didn't fit my general collecting pattern, and I sold it for the Para single stack I pick up tomorrow (just moving on to another gun; nothing personal about the D.E.). I next bought the Colt 01091, and there were some machining issues I didn't like. I sent it back before firing it, and they made it more than right. A longtime local firearms instructor claims he never felt a sweeter trigger on a Colt. So I guess you can tell I like Colts. I like the way they are put together. There's only one original. And the LDA Para Ordnance single stack? I think it was designed by angels. It just floats in my hand. I have not shot the Glocks; I don't care for the styling, but plenty of LEO's trust their lives to Glocks every day, so I have nothing bad to say about them. P.S. About going 20K+ rounds? I have several guns with over 2K rounds which still look NIB. It will take a few years before I get up to those numbers, but I'd suspect with regular cleaning of the bore and associated parts, wear should be minimal. If a component is going to break, it should fail within the first few hundred rounds. By 300-1000, I'd expect any gun to be 100%. An exception is my Inox Tomcat. It was 97% for the first 200-250 or so, and it's been 100% since (700+/-). I hear of guns being 100% out of the box, but I cannot believe it would be consistantly so for each product issued. Even a Mercedes has a "break-in" period. __________________ www.fiftycal.org http://www.ccrkba.org/

12-29-2003, 12:07 PM	#28
45Smashemflat Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,494	The 220 strips faster - but other than that I'm not sure that there is a difference.... One point, for group training purposes, the 220 design is pretty cool - you can thumb down the slide release, slip the slide and barrel off and then "point" your frame around a classroom for various demonstrations and veiwing angles. This is handy and not nearly as unsafe looking as demonstrating with a fully assembled gun. Just a point, can't do that as spiffy with a 1911.

12-30-2003, 07:48 PM	#29
sig_230 Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas!!!! Posts: 28	Two others that you should consider are the Dan Wessons and the SiG GSR. Supposedly the GSRs have shipped to the distributors. And the Dan Wessons I've shot have been, well, fantastic. I was shooting a Patriot the other day and it was good enouogh to make me consider getting a Bottom Feeder. 45ACP. Way to good a round to waste in a Bottom Feeder.

01-22-2004, 12:46 AM	#31
VIPERGTSR01 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: South Australia Posts: 65	i have now shot over 300 rounds through my new para ordnance P18.38S limited without a hitch