Dirty Weapons

[Airborne1101]

I had an experience this weekend I need some help with. I was on the range working up loads for both 9mm and .40 S&W so I had several cartridges loaded and marked and was firing them for accuarcy, recoil, etc. I was logging all my data in my range book ( normal procedure for me ) when two other shooters came over and wanted to know "what the heck I was doing?" I explained and they commented that they would never, ever shoot reloaded ammo through their "high dollar" pistols. The relaoded ammo was dangerous, and above all way to "Dirty" to shoot without having to clean the weapon after 100 shots or so. I explained that I was careful and VERY precise when I reload and that the safety factor was the reason I was testing different loads that day. as for the dirty factor, I have found no appreciable difference in the amount of fouling or any other residue as a result of shooting reloads. anybody else find a large amount of "Dirt" when shooting reloads? And as for "high dollar" weapons I was shooting a Browing Hi-power 9mm and a Desert Eagle .40 S&W. I am glad I wasn't working on a .357 Mag load they wouldn't know what to think I had when I pulled my Korth revolver out of the case.

Airborne.... All the way!!

[Claude Clay]

but daddy, everyone has a right to their opinion.
.......my daughter in 1st grade

you are correct, but if you can not back it up with logic & facts than others will look at you strange
and think perhaps you are shy some important parts.
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of late i have also been subjected to to much opinion
from the entitlement generation.

[woolleyworm]

Ignorance is bliss, so those musta been two happy individuals. I'll leave it at that before this becomes a rant.

The best ammo for any gun is ammo tailored specifically for that gun and handloading is the only way to do that. My target loads are cleaner than factory loads, as I try find a powder that will burn completely and be accurate. A couple of loads with Accr#7 may be a bit dirtier, but it comes clean easily enough.

I'll bet they were shooting cheap foriegn factory ammo through their "expensive" guns, more dangerous than handloads IMO.... morons. (ok, wee little rant i had to get in)

[pinecone70]

Now, this is just silly. Those guys thought they 'knew better'. Jeez.

Originally Posted by Claude Clay

...of late i have also been subjected to to much opinion from the entitlement generation.

Well said.

[Alpo]

I believe the correct response to, "I would never shoot reloads through my guns, as reloads are dirty/dangerous/whatever", is, "Well, okay then".

Then continue to shoot what you what through YOUR guns. Hell with them other guys' opinions.

[olehippy]

I quit using terms that include “reload” (reloading, reloaded ect) partly for this reason, and for idiots like you encountered. I handload my ammo. I too have talked to people that think of reloaded ammo as seconds or cheap substitutes for ‘real’ bullets, looks like you are using recycled toilet tissue. I also have been approached by people at ranges to handload for them, might say something about the quality of my loads.

If these snobbish idiots (to me ‘high dollar’ means they’re probably struggling to pay their weapons off. . .) had the brains to listen to you I thing you said it all when you said ‘precise’, probably would have been fun to shoot against them!

‘having to clean the weapon after 100 shots or so’ I’m a dirty old hippy, but I clean my weapons every time I shoot them! (usually right after my once weekly bath, but I’m 1 of those dirty reloaders. . .)

Just consider the source, you were talking to idiots.

Miles

[zkovach]

As i was reading this post I kept thinking to myself that these guys totally have it backwards. I didnt realize Liberals went to the gun range!

[gdmoody]

I probably would have told them that it was obvious that they don't know what in the he** they are talking about, and then I would go on shooting!

[woolleyworm]

If you think they'll be back out to the range, I'd print out this page and post it up for them to stumble across!

[JLA]

Originally Posted by woolleyworm

Ignorance is bliss, so those musta been two happy individuals. I'll leave it at that before this becomes a rant.

Ahhh, the ol' "ignorance is bliss" motto, too true, except its not... You see, truly ignorant people dont realize they are ignorant and carry on their lives happily with no second thoughts and rarely if ever poke their noses into other peoples business. Now stupid people on the other hand are the ones that know in the back of their mind that there is probably a better way to do things. they have an uncontrollable urge to spread their knowledge even when they have been informed of their lack thereof, and they force their opinions and beliefs upon their fellow man. And perhaps the most important difference in the two, is that stupid people are just to stupid to change it. Sooo, in my opinion, "stupidity is bliss"

[BETH]

that a boy JLA

[res45]

I love those types at the gun range I get all there free brass they leave lying around,and cleaning there gun every 100 rds,who do they think they are benchrest shooters? They will wear the gun out cleaning it instead of shooting it.

Best part about it is I'm still shooting when there sitting home because the ammo shelf is empty and mine is about 1/3 the price of there factory ammo. Show them a few of your targets compared to theres,that usually shuts them up.

[woolleyworm]

Originally Posted by JLA

Ahhh, the ol' "ignorance is bliss" motto, too true, except its not... You see, truly ignorant people dont realize they are ignorant and carry on their lives happily with no second thoughts and rarely if ever poke their noses into other peoples business. Now stupid people on the other hand are the ones that know in the back of their mind that there is probably a better way to do things. they have an uncontrollable urge to spread their knowledge even when they have been informed of their lack thereof, and they force their opinions and beliefs upon their fellow man. And perhaps the most important difference in the two, is that stupid people are just to stupid to change it. Sooo, in my opinion, "stupidity is bliss"

TOUCHE' well stated

[jdon72]

The guys are idiots...reloaded/handloaded ammo is typically cleaner and more accurate than factory ammo(as it was previously posted). Those guys have no clue...nice choice in your firearms though.

[JLA]

Originally Posted by JLA

Ahhh, the ol' "ignorance is bliss" motto, too true, except its not... You see, truly ignorant people dont realize they are ignorant and carry on their lives happily with no second thoughts and rarely if ever poke their noses into other peoples business. Now stupid people on the other hand are the ones that know in the back of their mind that there is probably a better way to do things. they have an uncontrollable urge to spread their knowledge even when they have been informed of their lack thereof, and they force their opinions and beliefs upon their fellow man. And perhaps the most important difference in the two, is that stupid people are just to stupid to change it. Sooo, in my opinion, "stupidity is bliss"

Holy freakin crap!!! I just realized I described every liberal democrat in existence. The world makes a little more sense now

[springerbuster]

Since they don't reload, did you ask them if you could pick up their brass?

[tEN wOLVES]

It's OK to be friendly, but when I go to the range, I go there to shoot, I try to avoid conversation with people I don't even know, if you're just there for a social thing then I guess that's fine if that's what you want, but I fined it annoying, when I have some one asking one question after another, when I'm trying to record or work up a load, I enjoy talking to folks, but there is a time and place for everything, I don't like being bothered when I'm trying to concentrate, bottom line, you're doing fine, next time try to stay away from overly talkative people, they'll just mess up your day..... and nine times out of ten you know more about what you're doing than they do.


Regards

tEN wOLVES

[LDBennett]

If I encountered this situation the first thing I would do is offer up a contest to see which ammo shoots the best because after all that is what counts. I'm no expert shooter but from what I've seen at the range from newbie people like this is they can't shoot.

When I go to the range mid week and have to open the gate to get in (private club range) there is rarely anyone else there. When someone does show up they are usually a dedicated shooter and I will stop what I'm doing if approached and often even offer up a conversation if I'm enticed. Being focused is important but being friendly to fellow shooters is important too. The fellowship is fleeting but often informative. It is rare that the shooters are not reloaders. On a public range the opposite is probably true. I used to go to public ranges but never got comments like in the case presented. I can not believe anyone would have the gall to do that. It appears they were full of themselves and wanted reinforcement as to why they didn't reload. I started reloading so I could shoot more with the same budget. These idiots haven't figured it out yet.

I would point out that all the components I use are the same ones used by the ammo manufactures. The powders are even the same (we buy the canister version and the ammo manufactures use bulk versions graded to get to a specific velocity). There is no difference in the dirtiness except that some powders happen to generate more residue than others. It makes little difference to the gun's performance even after hundreds of rounds. And I too clean my guns after ever range session even if I only shoot a handful or hundreds of cartridges. Every gun in my several safes is clean!

LDBennett

[zkovach]

i am trying to think out of the box here and i have th answer! I believe these two gentleman may work for Wolf Ammo.!!!!

[Bindernut]

Originally Posted by tEN wOLVES

It's OK to be friendly, but when I go to the range, I go there to shoot, I try to avoid conversation with people I don't even know, if you're just there for a social thing then I guess that's fine if that's what you want, but I fined it annoying, when I have some one asking one question after another, when I'm trying to record or work up a load, I enjoy talking to folks, but there is a time and place for everything, I don't like being bothered when I'm trying to concentrate, bottom line, you're doing fine, next time try to stay away from overly talkative people, they'll just mess up your day..... and nine times out of ten you know more about what you're doing than they do.


Regards

tEN wOLVES

I guess I'd say that I go to the range as a social activity then. Probably the same reason I hang around this place.
Most of my shooting used to be down at the farm at my own range...and I don't mind those nice quiet range sessions at all. But now I do sneak out to the local range in the town that I work too if I get the itch to burn some ammo on the days that I work.
I don't mind taking a break from my shooting to get into a BS session every so often. It gives the barrels a chance to cool down and my shoulder or thumbs a break from the action. Some guys you visit with are good down to earth folks and we can swap info/tips, but there are always a few of those yahoos like Airborne encountered too. I'm not much of a preacher, but I don't mind attempting to show them that they might be mistaken too. If they're bull-headed enough to not want to listen I'll politely back out of the conversation and go back to enjoying my "cheap/dirty ammo", my oddball calibers, shooting from the wrong side of the rifle, or whatever our difference of opinion might be.

I've been offered quite a bit of brass from the guys that don't reload, had a chance to try out a few guns that I don't have (and have let a few others try some of my toys out), even struck up a few deals while at that public range.

[Bindernut]

Originally Posted by zkovach

i am trying to think out of the box here and i have th answer! I believe these two gentleman may work for Wolf Ammo.!!!!

Now that's funny!

[312shooter]

Originally Posted by LDBennett

It appears they were full of themselves and wanted reinforcement as to why they didn't reload. I started reloading so I could shoot more with the same budget. These idiots haven't figured it out yet.LDBennett

Its best to keep them this way - more primers, powder, brass and bullets for us!

[Airborne1101]

I am a firm believer that every firearm has a particular round that it likes to eat. One of the fun part of reloading is mixing and matching bullet types & weights, Brass manufacturers, Powder types & charges, & primers in combination utill you find the best combo for that particular firearm. As a side note it gives me reasons to go to the range and stay on the loading bench. also as a result of my quest my daughter has decided that her calling in life is to be a forensic firearm & tool mark examiner. Anyway I will continue the quest, and as so many others on this forum have found the ultimate round for any firearm is not necessarily the heaviest, or the fastest but somewhere in between which makes our quest all the more challenging and fun.

[JLA]

Originally Posted by zkovach

i am trying to think out of the box here and i have th answer! I believe these two gentleman may work for Wolf Ammo.!!!!

I dont know, Wolf ammo is some pretty dirty stuff. Doest really fit in with their only shootn clean ammo claim... Was pretty funny though

[Terry_P]

My answer would have been "well you better watch out then".