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kutaho · 11-20-2009, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Eddie N

Both, really, but need to start with the basics. Haven't used one since I was a little guy (over 40 years ago). ( Where did the time go?)

Bear hunter or Bear Kodiak magnum
are most excellent stick bows.
tried a compound once....
didn't feel right at all.
But thats me.

Maximilian II · 11-20-2009, 02:22 PM

As far as decent swords go, don't judge by price. I paid $175 for a broadsword, and it was on sale. Museum Replicas is a good place to start, but don't buy anything but cutlery there...the costumes, armor, etc. are all overpriced.
Albion is nice but also expensive. Thousands for a blade.

Eddie N · 11-20-2009, 04:50 PM

Might have to hold off on buying anything, for the time being. Just found out work canceled another shift. down to one day this week. But, thanks for all the info. I'll definitely be checking these out.

Maximilian II · 11-21-2009, 05:03 PM

No problem.
If you're interested in learning more about real-world Western swordsmanship google The ARMA.
The swords are nice, but just like firearms they require skills to use to the fullest degree.

AL MOUNT · 11-21-2009, 05:30 PM

In basic training we were taught bayonet fighting.

Never cared to get that close to the bad guy.

I'm a firm believer in "Always bring a gun to a knife fight".

Eddie N · 11-21-2009, 05:30 PM

Already checked ARMA. Very interesting. Do they sell? Didn't notice. Anything you can tell me about them? I'm very interested. Ever since I was a young lad.

Eddie N · 11-21-2009, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AL MOUNT

In basic training we were taught bayonet fighting.

Never cared to get that close to the bad guy.

I'm a firm believer in "Always bring a gun to a knife fight".

True, but still would like to learn how to use them.

AL MOUNT · 11-21-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Eddie N

True, but still would like to learn how to use them.

Right handed person: Fork in left hand, knife in right.

Left handed person: Fork in right hand, knife in left.

What else is there to learn..... .....

Eddie N · 11-21-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AL MOUNT

Right handed person: Fork in left hand, knife in right.

Left handed person: Fork in right hand, knife in left.

What else is there to learn..... .....

OK.

Maximilian II · 11-23-2009, 11:13 PM

The ARMA isn't a dealer, they're an organization dedicated to preserving the fighting techniques used by Western (i.e. European) swordsmen. They collect every scrap of info on the subject they can and put it into practice. It's a martial art more than anything. I've met a student and studied some of what they teach, and it's really practical good stuff. No nonsense combatives that are at least as intensive and useful as Oriental arts. (I have done those since I was 12.)
If you want to learn to really fight with blades, I reccomend contacting John Clements to see if there is someone in your area that can teach. These guys are serious!
They also teach dagger work.

Just remember the old adage, if you're close enough it doesn't matter if you have a knife or a gun, somebody's going to die.

Eddie N · 11-23-2009, 11:57 PM

Checked them out right after I asked that question. Seriously considering joining. Sounds like a good org. Thanks!

DARIN · 03-16-2010, 01:40 PM

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Just thought I'd give this a try, but anybody know a good place to look for swords and knives? Looking for decent quality, but on a budget.

I can help you out with this. Just send me a private message with some examples of what you`re looking for and I will try to help you.

back to the topic....I trained with swords several years ago and I loved it very much but I decided to concentrate on knives in order to try to be more realistic. Sword training was really complex but beautiful when executed properly. Knife training is complex to an extreme and highly difficult to master. Luckily, with my background in street fighting "While a young man", and martial arts I had a fair hand/eye coordination which is a must. My biggest surprise with the knives was how sore my muscles would be after each session. I am primarily self taught with knives by use of many books and instructional videos and with the help of a few friends with similiar interests. I have been attacked by a knife weilding opponent in a real time, real life situation. I was cut 3 times across my back. This happened because it was a surprise attack but I collected the gentlemans knife and incapacitated him immediately. A few stitches later, lesson learned, thanking God.

Maximilian II · 03-16-2010, 09:07 PM

I have been trained in blades of all lengths, it shouldn't be too complex. If it is, something needs to be rethought. Sure, there are some slick Hollywood moves out there but that stuff will get you hurt. Looks cool though! And some flashy moves are actually very good training tools.

I just got back from a weekend of swinging foam padded swords, had lots of fun. Google Dagorhir or Belegarth and take a gander. Full contact medieval fighting, safe(ish) weapons.

DARIN · 03-17-2010, 01:30 AM

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I have been trained in blades of all lengths, it shouldn't be too complex

I completely agree but there are many blade arts , some more complex than others. Not trying to change the subject but have you ever noticed that most blade instructors from the philippines are more advanced?? No kidding... I`ve sit through many videos, trained with several people and in my experience, it`s like those guys just have these type applications down to a science. I guess that seems an odd statement but anyway...

ampaterry · 03-17-2010, 07:38 AM

I was presented with a Shogun Ceremonial Sword by my Tae Kwon Do instructor some years ago as a gift for helping him with a DVD instructional course he was developing.

I practice on weed and brush enemies with it -

A weapon of honor, from a bygone age of honor.

carver · 03-17-2010, 08:36 AM

http://www.sword-buyers-guide.com/index.html

Maximilian II · 03-17-2010, 10:19 PM

The basis of my knife training is Filipino. Modernized and simplified, it works using the same movements as the martial art I was trained in, which makes things nice and easy! Short sticks (1 handed) are the same, pretty close to the same movements but longer range. Swords follow the pattern, until two handed weapons come into play. Some modification is needed there, they just plain force changes.
The ARMA's teaching goes right along with this philosophy, the movements that are defensive deflections/parries are also strikes, often delivered to both strike and defend, simultaneously. Good stuff! Western swordsmanship is tremendously underrated in my experience!

The cool thing is, firearms can be easily blended into the better arts with some thought. It's less work than you'd think!

circa1885 · 04-12-2010, 03:10 AM

Why wave a sword around if you have a 45 and a good sword will cost even more than a 45.

Eddie N · 04-13-2010, 01:29 PM

Quieter than a .45, especially useful when silence is needed.

wpage · 04-14-2010, 05:09 PM

If you run out of bullits there are blades...

11-20-2009, 02:22 PM	#27
Maximilian II Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Northwest GA Posts: 1,381	Re: Swordsmen As far as decent swords go, don't judge by price. I paid $175 for a broadsword, and it was on sale. Museum Replicas is a good place to start, but don't buy anything but cutlery there...the costumes, armor, etc. are all overpriced. Albion is nice but also expensive. Thousands for a blade. __________________ Karma is just justice, without the satisfaction. And I don't believe in justice. -Joe Sarno, bagman.

11-20-2009, 04:50 PM	#28
Eddie N Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Colorado Contributor Posts: 1,192	Re: Swordsmen Might have to hold off on buying anything, for the time being. Just found out work canceled another shift. down to one day this week. But, thanks for all the info. I'll definitely be checking these out.

11-21-2009, 05:03 PM	#29
Maximilian II Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Northwest GA Posts: 1,381	Re: Swordsmen No problem. If you're interested in learning more about real-world Western swordsmanship google The ARMA. The swords are nice, but just like firearms they require skills to use to the fullest degree. __________________ Karma is just justice, without the satisfaction. And I don't believe in justice. -Joe Sarno, bagman.

11-21-2009, 05:30 PM	#30
AL MOUNT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cleaning my Thompson in The Foothills of the Ozark Mountains Posts: 3,107	Re: Swordsmen In basic training we were taught bayonet fighting. Never cared to get that close to the bad guy. I'm a firm believer in "Always bring a gun to a knife fight". __________________ 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment 101st Airborne Division Vietnam 67-68

11-21-2009, 05:30 PM	#31
Eddie N Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Colorado Contributor Posts: 1,192	Re: Swordsmen Already checked ARMA. Very interesting. Do they sell? Didn't notice. Anything you can tell me about them? I'm very interested. Ever since I was a young lad.

11-23-2009, 11:13 PM	#35
Maximilian II Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Northwest GA Posts: 1,381	Re: Swordsmen The ARMA isn't a dealer, they're an organization dedicated to preserving the fighting techniques used by Western (i.e. European) swordsmen. They collect every scrap of info on the subject they can and put it into practice. It's a martial art more than anything. I've met a student and studied some of what they teach, and it's really practical good stuff. No nonsense combatives that are at least as intensive and useful as Oriental arts. (I have done those since I was 12.) If you want to learn to really fight with blades, I reccomend contacting John Clements to see if there is someone in your area that can teach. These guys are serious! They also teach dagger work. Just remember the old adage, if you're close enough it doesn't matter if you have a knife or a gun, somebody's going to die. __________________ Karma is just justice, without the satisfaction. And I don't believe in justice. -Joe Sarno, bagman.

11-23-2009, 11:57 PM	#36
Eddie N Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Colorado Contributor Posts: 1,192	Re: Swordsmen Checked them out right after I asked that question. Seriously considering joining. Sounds like a good org. Thanks!

03-16-2010, 09:07 PM	#38
Maximilian II Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Northwest GA Posts: 1,381	Re: Swordsmen I have been trained in blades of all lengths, it shouldn't be too complex. If it is, something needs to be rethought. Sure, there are some slick Hollywood moves out there but that stuff will get you hurt. Looks cool though! And some flashy moves are actually very good training tools. I just got back from a weekend of swinging foam padded swords, had lots of fun. Google Dagorhir or Belegarth and take a gander. Full contact medieval fighting, safe(ish) weapons. __________________ Karma is just justice, without the satisfaction. And I don't believe in justice. -Joe Sarno, bagman.

03-17-2010, 07:38 AM	#40
ampaterry TFF Admin Staff Chaplain Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: West Tennessee Contributor Posts: 6,269	Re: Swordsmen I was presented with a Shogun Ceremonial Sword by my Tae Kwon Do instructor some years ago as a gift for helping him with a DVD instructional course he was developing. I practice on weed and brush enemies with it - A weapon of honor, from a bygone age of honor. __________________ A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders. Larry Elder

03-17-2010, 08:36 AM	#41
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,221	Re: Swordsmen http://www.sword-buyers-guide.com/index.html __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

03-17-2010, 10:19 PM	#42
Maximilian II Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Northwest GA Posts: 1,381	Re: Swordsmen The basis of my knife training is Filipino. Modernized and simplified, it works using the same movements as the martial art I was trained in, which makes things nice and easy! Short sticks (1 handed) are the same, pretty close to the same movements but longer range. Swords follow the pattern, until two handed weapons come into play. Some modification is needed there, they just plain force changes. The ARMA's teaching goes right along with this philosophy, the movements that are defensive deflections/parries are also strikes, often delivered to both strike and defend, simultaneously. Good stuff! Western swordsmanship is tremendously underrated in my experience! The cool thing is, firearms can be easily blended into the better arts with some thought. It's less work than you'd think! __________________ Karma is just justice, without the satisfaction. And I don't believe in justice. -Joe Sarno, bagman.

04-12-2010, 03:10 AM	#43
circa1885 Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Gulf Coast Alabama Posts: 25	Re: Swordsmen Why wave a sword around if you have a 45 and a good sword will cost even more than a 45.

04-13-2010, 01:29 PM	#44
Eddie N Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Colorado Contributor Posts: 1,192	Re: Swordsmen Quieter than a .45, especially useful when silence is needed.

04-14-2010, 05:09 PM	#45
wpage Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,471	Re: Swordsmen If you run out of bullits there are blades... __________________ "You shall recieve power" Acts 1:8 W