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Old 07-21-2010, 08:43 AM   #51
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i have to agree with yall on educating people on there rights,i would bare my guns,all of them to keep our rights
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Old 07-21-2010, 05:17 PM   #52
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I say we keep on educating people on what their rights are according to The Constitution... Then educate them on why The Constitution IS the law of the land. I cannot fathom why that point is lost on the dissenters.
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Old 07-21-2010, 07:56 PM   #53
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the right to bear arms is just that, a right. you're all talking about a right as if it is a privilege. a right is not something that can be taken away. no matter the crime you have committed. once you're free you have the right to free speech, religion and to protect yourself. for an american citizen to try to deny another citizen these rights, regardless of past criminal offenses makes them no better than a liberal anti gun activist.

why when people argue about the second amendment do they bring up the law? the law is a bunch of bologna set forth by an imperfect people. it can be changed, it can be ignored, or it can be enforced. once upon a time it was illegal for a black man to learn to read or write. right now its illegal for a "felon" to have a gun. but i tell you what, if i was a felon, i would still have one, because just as i would fight for my right to religion, i will fight for my right to bear arms.

its a right, rights cannot be taken away, they can only be given away.

I have to take exception to the comment that a right is not something that can be taken away. If a person commits a crime heinous enough then he can, and should be stripped of certain rights. The right of freedom should be stripped and he should be locked away from society. While he is incarcerated, and even in some cases as a condition of his release from incarceration, he can be stripped of his 4th Amendment rights against warrantless searches and seizures for a certain amount of time. His right to vote in some cases is stripped and should be. Even the most basic of all human rights, the right to life, can be stripped away if he does something to warrant that.

The reason that people bring up the law when arguing about the 2nd Amendment, is because the 2nd Amendment is just that, a law. You are right that it, as a law, can be changed and that is what we are fighting against. Now whether or not ALL convicted felons or persons convicted of violent crimes should be stripped of their 2nd Amendment rights, probably not. But should we allow some violent thug who gets out of prison on parole (they are letting them out in droves due to prison overcrowding) or his sentence is up, or whatever, to just melt back into society like nothing ever happened without some terms and conditions?

Basically in this country we should have the right to do whatever we want so long as we do not trespass upon the rights of others. But when we do violate the rights of others, then we should be stripped of our rights as well, in differing measures.
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Old 07-21-2010, 08:03 PM   #54
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That's it Lawdawg! Your rights end when they infringe upon others.
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