Mosin Nagant question???? - The Firearms Forum

big steve · 07-25-2010, 08:58 PM

At my local Cabelas they have a bunch of Mosin Nagant 91/30 and I really want to purchase one. My question is they are all in pretty good condition except they are $150 doesn't that seem to be a bit much even though they are in pretty good condition I mean online I see places where you can pick them up for $100. So I am just inquiring about this.

Thanks,

Steve

jack404 · 07-25-2010, 09:27 PM

Ok

yes it seems a bit much that normal , about $129 for a good one seems to be a average

but were was it made ?

Only two arsenals built M91/30s in the Soviet Union, Tula and Izhevsk.

Tula is prefered , dunno why , but have always brought a slightly higher price i've noticed

this is the Tula mark (left with the star )

and to it's right ( i hope ) is the Izhevsk

big steve · 07-25-2010, 09:28 PM

I didnt get a real good look as to exactly where they were made. I just saw years most them were 1944. I am going to have to take a look for that next time I go as to where it was made.

jack404 · 07-25-2010, 09:35 PM

Also Cabelas have a bigger over head, so you pay more, but all will be inspected and warranted to some degree, you gotta decide if that worth anything to you , or to save your dollars , buy private and suss out yourself if its a good rifle ..

i sold part of my collection through cabelas, I shipped a lot of rifles and others to the US when they where banned here,

they did refuse to sell a couple so know they wont sell "iffy" rifles, but they did broker them for me as collector item only and arranged one to be repaired , you do get what you pay for with them, but its always at the upper level

cheers

big steve · 07-25-2010, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jack404

Also Cabelas have a bigger over head, so you pay more, but all will be inspected and warranted to some degree, you gotta decide if that worth anything to you , or to save your dollars , buy private and suss out yourself if its a good rifle ..

i sold part of my collection through cabelas, I shipped a lot of rifles and others to the US when they where banned here,

they did refuse to sell a couple so know they wont sell "iffy" rifles, but they did broker them for me as collector item only and arranged one to be repaired , you do get what you pay for with them, but its always at the upper level

cheers

Thank you very much for the input

jbradshaw3 · 07-25-2010, 10:17 PM

Also consider that if you purchase online, you will be paying an additional $15 for shipping and $25-$30 for the FFL transfer. You should check out the gun shows. I was able to buy a Tula M44 Mosin Nagant for $100 in very good shape at the Fort Worth Gun Show. Good luck.

big steve · 07-25-2010, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbradshaw3

Also consider that if you purchase online, you will be paying an additional $15 for shipping and $25-$30 for the FFL transfer. You should check out the gun shows. I was able to buy a Tula M44 Mosin Nagant for $100 in very good shape at the Fort Worth Gun Show. Good luck.

Yes I will. Thank you for your input.

CHW2021 · 07-26-2010, 08:58 AM

Buy one ... or two; the Mosin is a excellent buy @ $100.00. Cabellas has run these at 100.00 in my area and the rifles have been just fine quality, you will have a chance to handle the rifle while the paperwork is being processed; if you are unhappy with the one the clerk brings ask for another. The collector value is there but these guns are better as a shooter.To heck with the shows or on line, at the price give it a whirl..... you can not loose.

big steve · 07-26-2010, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CHW2021

Buy one ... or two; the Mosin is a excellent buy @ $100.00. Cabellas has run these at 100.00 in my area and the rifles have been just fine quality, you will have a chance to handle the rifle while the paperwork is being processed; if you are unhappy with the one the clerk brings ask for another. The collector value is there but these guns are better as a shooter.To heck with the shows or on line, at the price give it a whirl..... you can not loose.

Thanks a lot for the input.

gandog56 · 07-26-2010, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbradshaw3

Also consider that if you purchase online, you will be paying an additional $15 for shipping and $25-$30 for the FFL transfer. You should check out the gun shows. I was able to buy a Tula M44 Mosin Nagant for $100 in very good shape at the Fort Worth Gun Show. Good luck.

Unless you spring for that C&R license. Heck I have saved over 200 bucks in transfer fees alone the year and a half I had it.

big steve · 07-27-2010, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by gandog56

Unless you spring for that C&R license. Heck I have saved over 200 bucks in transfer fees alone the year and a half I had it.

Yeah that does sound like a good idea.

big steve · 07-27-2010, 02:08 PM

I think today I am going to take a run up to Cabelas to see if I can find any of the Mosins that were made in the Tula armory.

gandog56 · 07-27-2010, 04:20 PM

And a hex receiver!

big steve · 07-27-2010, 04:23 PM

I didnt get a chance to go today gandog. And FYI i just responded to your PM

redfred · 08-16-2010, 10:23 PM

I went to my local Cabela's a few weeks ago and they had about a dozen 91/30's, marked $99 each. I had a friend who was looking for one, so I called him to let him know. He didn't answer, but called me back in about 15 minutes. I was still at Cabela's so I thought I would go see how many were left. They still had a rack full, but the prices had been changed to $129. I thought I had been seeing things, so I asked the guy there, and he said that the sale was only for a few hours. I asked when they would go on sale again, and he just grinned and said, "your guess is as good as mine!"

big steve · 08-16-2010, 11:20 PM

Thats interesting I have never seen them for $129 or $99.

gazzmann · 08-17-2010, 10:52 PM

Bought one last year for 79.99. Shoots great Tula arsenal.
Friend of mine picked up four of them wit matching numbers.
Came with bayonet, cleaning kit and mag pouch.
Not sure of the name, but it was a mail order company.

Popgunner · 08-24-2010, 11:46 PM

Last 91/30 I got was at Big 5 Sports for $129 & it was a nice arsenal refurbish. Looks like new & shoots great. It came with a bunch stuff. Oiler, sling, bayo, & cleaning kit.

johnlives4christ · 08-25-2010, 10:18 AM

if i recall correctly, some mosin nagants were made by remington here in the states under contract. i would like to find one of them.

gandog56 · 09-09-2010, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbradshaw3

Also consider that if you purchase online, you will be paying an additional $15 for shipping and $25-$30 for the FFL transfer. You should check out the gun shows. I was able to buy a Tula M44 Mosin Nagant for $100 in very good shape at the Fort Worth Gun Show. Good luck.

...Unless.........you have a C&R license like I do. Then no transfer fees, and I can still get a 91/30 for less than $100 total with shipping, and sent straight to my front door.

jakharath · 09-10-2010, 09:57 AM

For you C&R holders... Aim Surplus has round receiver 1891/30's for $69.95 with bayonet, sling and other accessories.

FrederickD. · 09-11-2010, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gazzmann

Bought one last year for 79.99. Shoots great Tula arsenal.
Friend of mine picked up four of them wit matching numbers.
Came with bayonet, cleaning kit and mag pouch.
Not sure of the name, but it was a mail order company.

SOG has them for $79. Add another $100 and get a Nagant revolver too!

gandog56 · 09-11-2010, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrederickD.

SOG has them for $79. Add another $100 and get a Nagant revolver too!

Glad you said revolver. I hate people who call their Mosin Nagants Nagants.

TXWolf · 03-18-2012, 05:48 PM

I agree on all these statements. Buying a rifle like this online is most likely a bad idea. I've bought plenty of things online, so I know how these things can run. Buying the same rifle at a local gun store is your best bet. That way you can know exactly what your buying after making your own examinations of it, and it most likely would be cheaper too. Shipping costs is what always got me when I ordered online.

Though, I'm not with questions of my own. I came across a small family owned gun shop that have 4 Mosin Nagant M91/30's for sale, they charged $120 for each one. I due have to admit, getting a rifle like this one is something on my bucket-list, but then it dawned on me that I'm 25, and I'm already trying to make a bucket-list while I'm in good health. Anyway, long story short, I decided to wait a while before thinking of buying it again. However, I do need to ask, if buying one of these rifles would be considered a "once-in-a-lifetime" opportunity. Because I just have this feeling that this may be my only chance of getting one, so most likely, would I be right, or wrong in waiting till later in the future to buy one?
There are some other thing's I'd like to ask as well. The reason I'd like to get this rifle is not only to have it, but I planned on hunting with it. I spoke to the shop employees at the store, as well as some friends who know more about guns than me. They all said that based on my area, "soft ammo" is the only ammo legal when it comes to hunting, not hard like full-metal-jackets or sniper rounds. However They also said that becasue of my states hunting regulations about Muzzle Velocity, a Mosin Nagant may be illegal to hunt with becasue of high velocity, even with soft ammo. So whats the velocity of a Mosin Nagant M91/30 with both hard and soft ammo? And if there are any hunters here who live in North Texas, what's the velocity limit for hunting? If I can't use this rifle, buying it may be a waste, even though I'm collecting the rifle as well.

jyantkilr · 03-18-2012, 11:43 PM

A Mosin 91/30 shouldn't be on your bucket list, it is a kick to shoot and has a ton of history while being a very dependable rifle. There were 17 million of them made, so chances are you will always have an opportunity to buy one. The 91/30's are not rare.

They are cheap to buy for what you get. The bulk military ammo is also cheap. I bought 880 rds. just recently for $163.oo delivered to my door. That's .185 cents a round. FMJ 148 grain, yeah steel, won't pass the magnet test, but will plow through that broken down car your shooting at !!! They have a velocity of max 2850 fps. Where as I also purchased some winchester soft point 180 gr., passing the magnet test for $23.50 plus tax for 20 rds., $1.25 a bang ! Velocity on the winchester is 2625 fps. Seriously doubt either ammo is too fast for Texas, but don't know.

You shouldn't have any problem taking a deer with one. Scopes don't go on the weapon easily, imo use it stock, iron sights and take a marksman course like Appleseed to hone your skills to 400 yards. But most deer are taken within 100 yards.

I would buy a pre 1930 91/30, that would insure it's an ex-dragoon and may hold a little more desirability in future markets. While Tula is preferred, I own both tula receiver and izhevsk, my izhevsk's bolt and accuracy is better. Go figure.

The more collectable rifles will not be 91/30's and carry a higher price tag. 91/30's are refurbished weapons. I didn't check the head clearance but I did check the firing pins, which were both a little too long for my taste. I floated both barrels, wrapped some tape around the cleaning rod so it doesn't vibrate against the barrel and they shoot just fine. Clean and oil them well after you purchase and you should be good to go.

Then again you can go out and spend a whole lot of money on a new deer rifle.

07-25-2010, 08:58 PM	#1
big steve Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 622	Mosin Nagant question???? At my local Cabelas they have a bunch of Mosin Nagant 91/30 and I really want to purchase one. My question is they are all in pretty good condition except they are $150 doesn't that seem to be a bit much even though they are in pretty good condition I mean online I see places where you can pick them up for $100. So I am just inquiring about this. Thanks, Steve __________________ I HAVE GIVEN YOU A REPUBLC IF YOU CAN KEEP IT "Benjamin Franklin" -->

07-25-2010, 09:27 PM	#2
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Mosin Nagant question???? Ok yes it seems a bit much that normal , about $129 for a good one seems to be a average but were was it made ? Only two arsenals built M91/30s in the Soviet Union, Tula and Izhevsk. Tula is prefered , dunno why , but have always brought a slightly higher price i've noticed this is the Tula mark (left with the star ) and to it's right ( i hope ) is the Izhevsk Attached Images Last edited by jack404; 07-25-2010 at 09:28 PM..

07-25-2010, 09:28 PM	#3
big steve Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 622	Re: Mosin Nagant question???? I didnt get a real good look as to exactly where they were made. I just saw years most them were 1944. I am going to have to take a look for that next time I go as to where it was made. __________________ I HAVE GIVEN YOU A REPUBLC IF YOU CAN KEEP IT "Benjamin Franklin"

07-25-2010, 09:35 PM	#4
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Mosin Nagant question???? Also Cabelas have a bigger over head, so you pay more, but all will be inspected and warranted to some degree, you gotta decide if that worth anything to you , or to save your dollars , buy private and suss out yourself if its a good rifle .. i sold part of my collection through cabelas, I shipped a lot of rifles and others to the US when they where banned here, they did refuse to sell a couple so know they wont sell "iffy" rifles, but they did broker them for me as collector item only and arranged one to be repaired , you do get what you pay for with them, but its always at the upper level cheers Last edited by jack404; 07-25-2010 at 09:47 PM..

07-25-2010, 10:17 PM	#6
jbradshaw3 Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Fort Worth Posts: 4	Re: Mosin Nagant question???? Also consider that if you purchase online, you will be paying an additional $15 for shipping and $25-$30 for the FFL transfer. You should check out the gun shows. I was able to buy a Tula M44 Mosin Nagant for $100 in very good shape at the Fort Worth Gun Show. Good luck.

07-26-2010, 08:58 AM	#8
CHW2021 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 467	Re: Mosin Nagant question???? Buy one ... or two; the Mosin is a excellent buy @ $100.00. Cabellas has run these at 100.00 in my area and the rifles have been just fine quality, you will have a chance to handle the rifle while the paperwork is being processed; if you are unhappy with the one the clerk brings ask for another. The collector value is there but these guns are better as a shooter.To heck with the shows or on line, at the price give it a whirl..... you can not loose.

07-27-2010, 02:08 PM	#12
big steve Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 622	Re: Mosin Nagant question???? I think today I am going to take a run up to Cabelas to see if I can find any of the Mosins that were made in the Tula armory. __________________ I HAVE GIVEN YOU A REPUBLC IF YOU CAN KEEP IT "Benjamin Franklin"

07-27-2010, 04:20 PM	#13
gandog56 V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Mobile AL. Posts: 325	Re: Mosin Nagant question???? And a hex receiver!

07-27-2010, 04:23 PM	#14
big steve Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 622	Re: Mosin Nagant question???? I didnt get a chance to go today gandog. And FYI i just responded to your PM __________________ I HAVE GIVEN YOU A REPUBLC IF YOU CAN KEEP IT "Benjamin Franklin"

08-16-2010, 10:23 PM	#15
redfred Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 6	Re: Mosin Nagant question???? I went to my local Cabela's a few weeks ago and they had about a dozen 91/30's, marked $99 each. I had a friend who was looking for one, so I called him to let him know. He didn't answer, but called me back in about 15 minutes. I was still at Cabela's so I thought I would go see how many were left. They still had a rack full, but the prices had been changed to $129. I thought I had been seeing things, so I asked the guy there, and he said that the sale was only for a few hours. I asked when they would go on sale again, and he just grinned and said, "your guess is as good as mine!"

08-16-2010, 11:20 PM	#16
big steve Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 622	Re: Mosin Nagant question???? Thats interesting I have never seen them for $129 or $99. __________________ I HAVE GIVEN YOU A REPUBLC IF YOU CAN KEEP IT "Benjamin Franklin"

08-17-2010, 10:52 PM	#17
gazzmann V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: So. Fla. Posts: 146	Re: Mosin Nagant question???? Bought one last year for 79.99. Shoots great Tula arsenal. Friend of mine picked up four of them wit matching numbers. Came with bayonet, cleaning kit and mag pouch. Not sure of the name, but it was a mail order company.

08-24-2010, 11:46 PM	#18
Popgunner Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Contributor Posts: 1,764	Re: Mosin Nagant question???? Last 91/30 I got was at Big 5 Sports for $129 & it was a nice arsenal refurbish. Looks like new & shoots great. It came with a bunch stuff. Oiler, sling, bayo, & cleaning kit.

08-25-2010, 10:18 AM	#19
johnlives4christ Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,828	Re: Mosin Nagant question???? if i recall correctly, some mosin nagants were made by remington here in the states under contract. i would like to find one of them.

09-10-2010, 09:57 AM	#21
jakharath Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bryan, TX Posts: 2	Re: Mosin Nagant question???? For you C&R holders... Aim Surplus has round receiver 1891/30's for $69.95 with bayonet, sling and other accessories.

03-18-2012, 05:48 PM	#24
TXWolf Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 1	Re: Mosin Nagant question???? I agree on all these statements. Buying a rifle like this online is most likely a bad idea. I've bought plenty of things online, so I know how these things can run. Buying the same rifle at a local gun store is your best bet. That way you can know exactly what your buying after making your own examinations of it, and it most likely would be cheaper too. Shipping costs is what always got me when I ordered online. Though, I'm not with questions of my own. I came across a small family owned gun shop that have 4 Mosin Nagant M91/30's for sale, they charged $120 for each one. I due have to admit, getting a rifle like this one is something on my bucket-list, but then it dawned on me that I'm 25, and I'm already trying to make a bucket-list while I'm in good health. Anyway, long story short, I decided to wait a while before thinking of buying it again. However, I do need to ask, if buying one of these rifles would be considered a "once-in-a-lifetime" opportunity. Because I just have this feeling that this may be my only chance of getting one, so most likely, would I be right, or wrong in waiting till later in the future to buy one? There are some other thing's I'd like to ask as well. The reason I'd like to get this rifle is not only to have it, but I planned on hunting with it. I spoke to the shop employees at the store, as well as some friends who know more about guns than me. They all said that based on my area, "soft ammo" is the only ammo legal when it comes to hunting, not hard like full-metal-jackets or sniper rounds. However They also said that becasue of my states hunting regulations about Muzzle Velocity, a Mosin Nagant may be illegal to hunt with becasue of high velocity, even with soft ammo. So whats the velocity of a Mosin Nagant M91/30 with both hard and soft ammo? And if there are any hunters here who live in North Texas, what's the velocity limit for hunting? If I can't use this rifle, buying it may be a waste, even though I'm collecting the rifle as well.

03-18-2012, 11:43 PM	#25
jyantkilr Former Guest Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: California Posts: 65	Re: Mosin Nagant question???? A Mosin 91/30 shouldn't be on your bucket list, it is a kick to shoot and has a ton of history while being a very dependable rifle. There were 17 million of them made, so chances are you will always have an opportunity to buy one. The 91/30's are not rare. They are cheap to buy for what you get. The bulk military ammo is also cheap. I bought 880 rds. just recently for $163.oo delivered to my door. That's .185 cents a round. FMJ 148 grain, yeah steel, won't pass the magnet test, but will plow through that broken down car your shooting at !!! They have a velocity of max 2850 fps. Where as I also purchased some winchester soft point 180 gr., passing the magnet test for $23.50 plus tax for 20 rds., $1.25 a bang ! Velocity on the winchester is 2625 fps. Seriously doubt either ammo is too fast for Texas, but don't know. You shouldn't have any problem taking a deer with one. Scopes don't go on the weapon easily, imo use it stock, iron sights and take a marksman course like Appleseed to hone your skills to 400 yards. But most deer are taken within 100 yards. I would buy a pre 1930 91/30, that would insure it's an ex-dragoon and may hold a little more desirability in future markets. While Tula is preferred, I own both tula receiver and izhevsk, my izhevsk's bolt and accuracy is better. Go figure. The more collectable rifles will not be 91/30's and carry a higher price tag. 91/30's are refurbished weapons. I didn't check the head clearance but I did check the firing pins, which were both a little too long for my taste. I floated both barrels, wrapped some tape around the cleaning rod so it doesn't vibrate against the barrel and they shoot just fine. Clean and oil them well after you purchase and you should be good to go. Then again you can go out and spend a whole lot of money on a new deer rifle.