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[Zane71464]

Well, the way I see it is, Why the heck wont Obozo just clear it all up?
Then there wouldnt be no question as to if he is an American Citizen.
Why wouldnt he do that if he doesnt have anything to hide?

[wpage]

The truth will be known.

[hogger129]

Originally Posted by belercous

When people get their "news" from the whack-o-sphere they tend to believe bizzare things. Those records are out there, and have been. This is not even close to being an issue. Try getting information from a variety of sources, not just those who tell you what you want to hear. Please remember that "Fox" news is not a reliable source, although I doubt that even "Fox" news would stoop so low. Sounds like Hannity or some other hate-radio lunatic's fantasy. Do your own research.
Reality is a bitch, but it still is reality.

If he has nothing to hide, why are the records sealed? Why does his mother swear to being present at his birth in Kenya?

Just because so-called "conservative" news sources are saying it, that makes it an 'attack by the right to discredit the administration'?

I don't think you'd be calling it another "hate-radio lunatic fantasy" if the left was saying these things about a Republican president.

People HAVE done their own research. That's why they're filing Freedom of Information Act suits in court trying to see these records. As American citizens, they have a RIGHT to know if their leader is qualified for the position under the law.

[hogger129]

Originally Posted by belercous

Oops, you're all correct. Obama is not a natural born citizen. And all our courts are in on the conspiracy. And a very good one as no-one has leaked/talked. All the MSM is in on it. Only some bloggers who never leave their mother's basment know the truth. The only documents produced are forgeries.
I don't know diddley about Australia, so I cannot address whatever problem, real or imagined, is going on there. It's likely the Australian government is in on the conspiracy.

Too weird for me here, bye & out.

You can call us conspiratards, whatever... Obama is obviously hiding something, otherwise he'd have no reason to seal said records. He and his peeps in the White House are doing all they can to block an investigation into this. I mean it really reminds me of how Nixon refused to hand over the Watergate tapes. I really think it would take a direct court order for Obama to hand over his records that are sealed.

I don't think the media is "in on" anything. All the liberal media sources are just backing him up because they think the Democrats are so great, progressive and "tolerant" of everything.

I would not be surprised that IF the records people are trying to get come out, they are forgeries. When and if they are released, people will think they are genuine because they have been locked away. It's a ploy.

It makes me think of the documents regarding the Kennedy assassination. When they are released, I have no doubt in my mind they will all say LHO was the lone assassin, which I can't accept as true. The documents will be false and people will accept them as true because they have been locked away for so long.

[Shooter45]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M7Rp_Ghv6k

[lawdawg]

The funny thing is that I usually do not buy into conspiracy theories at all (which is why I emphasized the word "IF" in my original post on this thread), because as belercous indicated, in a condescending manner, it is almost impossible for that many people to be in on a secret or conspiracy without someone spilling the beans. I try to look at as many facts and as much evidence as possible and make a reasonable assumption based on that evidence, formulate a hypothesis, and weigh the evidence and facts against that hypothesis. However, in certain cases (like this one) it is impossible to do that because the evidence is purposely (and perhaps illegally) sealed and we are not allowed to view that evidence. The next logical question would be "WHY?" In my experience, when someone, or some faction, purposely conceals evidence, it is a very strong indicator of guilt. If Obama, as the elected leader of this nation, can easily dispel a rumor or question about his legitimacy, then why doesn't he do so, if for no other reason than to embarass those who raised the question? But he refuses to do so, which leads me to believe that he either is not legitimate, or he enjoys the turmoil he is causing by being so evasive. Either of which makes him unfit, in my opinion, to be the leader of this nation.

[Jim K]

There is simply no credible evidence that Mr. Obama, or anyone else, falsified his birth record or that he is not a citizen. And there is no case in any court on the subject, let alone one "headed for" or "accepted by" the Supreme Court. That whole post is a lie, period. If that offends anyone, tough luck.

It is too bad that the "birther" nuts don't devote their time and money to working for the election of responsible officials and representatives instead of trying to promote nonsense.

BTW, do the people who post this stuff ever get around to registering to vote? Or do they plan to stay in their caves on election day muttering about conspiracies?

Jim

[red14]

Originally Posted by hogger129

If he has nothing to hide, why are the records sealed? Why does his mother swear to being present at his birth in Kenya?

Just because so-called "conservative" news sources are saying it, that makes it an 'attack by the right to discredit the administration'?

I don't think you'd be calling it another "hate-radio lunatic fantasy" if the left was saying these things about a Republican president.

People HAVE done their own research. That's why they're filing Freedom of Information Act suits in court trying to see these records. As American citizens, they have a RIGHT to know if their leader is qualified for the position under the law.

I hope his mother was present at his birth!

[Bubblehead]

Good catch Red. If not, that would open up a whole new conspiracy theory. ET go home.

[lentz]

I don't care if he was born,hatched,built in a basement,or beamed down from Mars,I just want the bastard GONE before he bancrupts me!

[lawdawg]

Originally Posted by lentz

I don't care if he was born,hatched,built in a basement,or beamed down from Mars,I just want the bastard GONE before he bancrupts me!

+ 1

[Marlin T]

Originally Posted by Jim K

There is simply no credible evidence that Mr. Obama, or anyone else, falsified his birth record or that he is not a citizen. And there is no case in any court on the subject, let alone one "headed for" or "accepted by" the Supreme Court. That whole post is a lie, period. If that offends anyone, tough luck.

It is too bad that the "birther" nuts don't devote their time and money to working for the election of responsible officials and representatives instead of trying to promote nonsense.

BTW, do the people who post this stuff ever get around to registering to vote? Or do they plan to stay in their caves on election day muttering about conspiracies?

Jim

So Jim what about this guy that says, "THERE IS NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE" ?
It's a 9:20 long vid and I hope you watch it. My favorite part is where he breaks out the race card.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v2Hh...layer_embedded

As far as your statement that there is no cases moving forward, well that is just flat wrong. There have been and are cases in court.

Now if any of these cases making it to the supreme court, well you have a point. I don't think that the ole oBOMBER will have ANY cases that make it that far with Eric Holder sitting where he is. But lets not forget the military courts that Eric doesn't have any control over, to the best of knowledge that is.

It should be disturbing to everybody, whether or not you agree with the case about his birth certificate, that YOU do not have standing to even ask the question.

[Rocketman1]

Originally Posted by lentz

I don't care if he was born,hatched,built in a basement,or beamed down from Mars,I just want the bastard GONE before he bancrupts me!

I have been following this thread for several days now, and while I feel it is off topic for this forum, and I have tried to stay out of it, I find I must put my 2 cents worth in the pot.

Humm... I seem to recall that president Bush started the bail out. Obama was elected, but he wasn’t even in office yet.

But in reality what was Bush/Obama suppose to do? The consequences of not doing anything would have been worse. Instead of 10%+ unemployment perhaps it could have been double.

Then there was this controversial war, I believe it was called the second Gulf war right? I believe Bush was president then. Just how much did that war add to our national deficit, and how much is it still adding?

Then there was this other war, called the Afghanistan war. While I agree that this war was necessary, just how much has this war added to our national deficit, and how much is it still adding?

While I agree that the spending MUST stop, lets not forget that much of the deficit was in herited by Obama.

Heres an interesting chart: Yea under Obama the deficit is still climbing, and it must stop, but it looks to me like it started in about 1980, under Bush Sr.

[hogger129]

Originally Posted by lawdawg

The funny thing is that I usually do not buy into conspiracy theories at all (which is why I emphasized the word "IF" in my original post on this thread), because as belercous indicated, in a condescending manner, it is almost impossible for that many people to be in on a secret or conspiracy without someone spilling the beans. I try to look at as many facts and as much evidence as possible and make a reasonable assumption based on that evidence, formulate a hypothesis, and weigh the evidence and facts against that hypothesis. However, in certain cases (like this one) it is impossible to do that because the evidence is purposely (and perhaps illegally) sealed and we are not allowed to view that evidence. The next logical question would be "WHY?" In my experience, when someone, or some faction, purposely conceals evidence, it is a very strong indicator of guilt. If Obama, as the elected leader of this nation, can easily dispel a rumor or question about his legitimacy, then why doesn't he do so, if for no other reason than to embarass those who raised the question? But he refuses to do so, which leads me to believe that he either is not legitimate, or he enjoys the turmoil he is causing by being so evasive. Either of which makes him unfit, in my opinion, to be the leader of this nation.

People have tried to come out and stated things contrary to what Obama has said. But nobody believes them. Obama's mother is one of them. She swears to being at his birth in Kenya.

[hogger129]

Originally Posted by Marlin T

So Jim what about this guy that says, "THERE IS NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE" ?
It's a 9:20 long vid and I hope you watch it. My favorite part is where he breaks out the race card.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v2Hh...layer_embedded

As far as your statement that there is no cases moving forward, well that is just flat wrong. There have been and are cases in court.

Now if any of these cases making it to the supreme court, well you have a point. I don't think that the ole oBOMBER will have ANY cases that make it that far with Eric Holder sitting where he is. But lets not forget the military courts that Eric doesn't have any control over, to the best of knowledge that is.

It should be disturbing to everybody, whether or not you agree with the case about his birth certificate, that YOU do not have standing to even ask the question.

They could also threaten people questioning Obama's records to get them to back off. At what point are people willing to go to find the truth is what we should be asking.

It's been the same way with any other government coverup.

[hogger129]

It should be disturbing to everybody, whether or not you agree with the case about his birth certificate, that YOU do not have standing to even ask the question.

I also find that very disturbing. Isn't it our right to not only question a public document, but to SEE it as well? What good is the Freedom of Information Act if you can't even see the document in the first place?

When people are denied the truth, and told lies on top of it... It tells me that we don't live in a free country anymore. They call it a fascism.