Unmarked Mauser rifle - The Firearms Forum

daw8752 · 08-08-2010, 02:08 AM

I have a rifle 8MM cal, It is not German at least not that I can see. It has no markings on it at all, the only small stamp I can find is on the knob of the bolt. It is a Z or a N in circle.
The bolt handle is stright and all else aperars to be standard 98 type. Ihe sling swivels are on the bottom and, also on the side in the German style. The bayonet lug is differnt also. I have wondered about this rifle for years, any info would be welcome

Thanks
Ole Sarge

K75RT · 08-08-2010, 06:54 AM

Sarge,
Can you post a picture of the rifle? There are so many different variations of the 98 it is tough to identify without pictures

daw8752 · 08-08-2010, 05:07 PM

K75RT, Sorry I can't seem to get those pics on a reply, however I did put three in a album ,see if that helps

Sorry, Ole Sarge

K75RT · 08-08-2010, 06:20 PM

It looks to me to be a Vz-24 variant of the 98, I'd venture that the bolt is a replacement as the stock is set up for a down turned bolt hence the cutout beneath the bolt. Several South American rifles were made on this pattern both at Brno and Leige in Belgium.

daw8752 · 08-08-2010, 11:34 PM

Sorry, I failed to mention that the bolt is numbered to the action. That is what is such a puzzle to me, as my outher Mauser rieles are numbered the same. As I said before the only marks I see are the tiny z in a circle.

Thank you for your trouble!

K75RT · 08-09-2010, 05:45 AM

Sarge,
Could that z in a circle actually be a z in a C?

Jim K · 08-09-2010, 09:03 AM

First you say it has no markings, then you say it has a serial number. Any other markings you might have missed or forgotten to mention?

Jim

daw8752 · 08-09-2010, 10:18 AM

Sorry 'bout that, my eyes aren't what they used to be. I went over it with a 10X glass and the only thing I found was what apeared to be a faint s, a, 27, to the rear of the clip slot. The c is in a circle. I have seen that mark on a known Mauser 98. There are a couple of assemblers marka ot the root of the bolt handle. I will try and get a closeup of them.

Thanks Sarge.

Buffalochip · 08-09-2010, 11:19 AM

I agree with K75RT--it is probably a Vz-24. CZ used a logo of a z within a circle. I have a c.1950 Duo Pistol with that exact logo in the grip.

Jim K · 08-09-2010, 01:08 PM

I agree that it sounds like a VZ-24. The dual sling swivels alone would point in that direction. Apparently someone, for some reason, removed the markings.

As is, it has no value other than as a shooter.

Jim

daw8752 · 08-09-2010, 02:48 PM

Thanks guys for your time and effort
Sarge

bbqznbeer · 08-09-2010, 05:11 PM

There is the Yugo M48BO ( BO = "bez oznake" = without markings )
Other than a couple of serial numbers these rifles have no stamps.

TRAP55 · 08-09-2010, 07:13 PM

Most likely a VZ-24, if it is void of any markings on the left receiver rail, and top of the receiver ring, it was either made like that, or scrubbed for sale to another country.
Pics will save a thousand words typed.

daw8752 · 08-10-2010, 01:51 AM

I will try to get some pics here, there are some in my album Name: 190.jpg
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I'm not sure if these are what you want.
Thanks for the help.
Sarge

Jim K · 08-10-2010, 05:24 PM

I would call it a mixmaster. The bolt is obviously wrong, plus the band has provision for a side sling swivel but the buttstock does not have the throughbolt for the corresponding one. The front sight appears to be from a Model 98AZ carbine. I might suggest one of the many rifles reworked by Turkey, but in general those were marked.

While there is a lot of nonsense about "scrubbed" rifles, they do exist and that one appears to be about as scrubbed as it can get. Who did the work and why is AFAIK unknown.

Jim

TRAP55 · 08-10-2010, 05:46 PM

It's a mixmaster alright.
Scrubbed, 8mm, and the front sight say Radom WZ 29 scrubbed for Spain. Maybe a Belgian 1935 if it was 7.65mm. The Z in a circle throws a kink in it.
Got a better pic of the bayo lug? The one on the 1935 is different from the other 98 style Mausers.
Edit...Just re-read and saw C in a circle....It's a 1935 Belgian........no idea why it's scrubbed..............it may have been for the Greek contract.

daw8752 · 08-10-2010, 07:36 PM

Thanks for the info, but I have another question,if I may. You state that the bolt is wrong however the bolt, barrel, and reciever all have the ssme number.
I am in agreement that it has some strange things about it, but couldn't it just be the stock that is wrong?
Sarge

K75RT · 08-10-2010, 07:43 PM

Absolutely possible, the stock could be a replacement and the entire barrelled action could have come from another stock...

daw8752 · 08-10-2010, 07:59 PM

Here is a couple of pics that address a comment or two. Sarge

P.S The one of the butt shows the only mark on the stock that I see.

08-08-2010, 02:08 AM	#1
daw8752 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 16	Unmarked Mauser rifle I have a rifle 8MM cal, It is not German at least not that I can see. It has no markings on it at all, the only small stamp I can find is on the knob of the bolt. It is a Z or a N in circle. The bolt handle is stright and all else aperars to be standard 98 type. Ihe sling swivels are on the bottom and, also on the side in the German style. The bayonet lug is differnt also. I have wondered about this rifle for years, any info would be welcome Thanks Ole Sarge -->

08-08-2010, 06:54 AM	#2
K75RT V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Litchfield County, CT Posts: 309	Re: Unmarked Mauser rifle Sarge, Can you post a picture of the rifle? There are so many different variations of the 98 it is tough to identify without pictures

08-08-2010, 05:07 PM	#3
daw8752 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 16	Re: Unmarked Mauser rifle K75RT, Sorry I can't seem to get those pics on a reply, however I did put three in a album ,see if that helps Sorry, Ole Sarge

08-08-2010, 06:20 PM	#4
K75RT V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Litchfield County, CT Posts: 309	Re: Unmarked Mauser rifle It looks to me to be a Vz-24 variant of the 98, I'd venture that the bolt is a replacement as the stock is set up for a down turned bolt hence the cutout beneath the bolt. Several South American rifles were made on this pattern both at Brno and Leige in Belgium.

08-08-2010, 11:34 PM	#5
daw8752 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 16	Re: Unmarked Mauser rifle Sorry, I failed to mention that the bolt is numbered to the action. That is what is such a puzzle to me, as my outher Mauser rieles are numbered the same. As I said before the only marks I see are the tiny z in a circle. Thank you for your trouble! Last edited by daw8752; 08-09-2010 at 12:53 AM.. Reason: spelling

08-09-2010, 05:45 AM	#6
K75RT V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Litchfield County, CT Posts: 309	Re: Unmarked Mauser rifle Sarge, Could that z in a circle actually be a z in a C?

08-09-2010, 09:03 AM	#7
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: Unmarked Mauser rifle First you say it has no markings, then you say it has a serial number. Any other markings you might have missed or forgotten to mention? Jim

08-09-2010, 10:18 AM	#8
daw8752 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 16	Re: Unmarked Mauser rifle Sorry 'bout that, my eyes aren't what they used to be. I went over it with a 10X glass and the only thing I found was what apeared to be a faint s, a, 27, to the rear of the clip slot. The c is in a circle. I have seen that mark on a known Mauser 98. There are a couple of assemblers marka ot the root of the bolt handle. I will try and get a closeup of them. Thanks Sarge.

08-09-2010, 11:19 AM	#9
Buffalochip Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 754	Re: Unmarked Mauser rifle I agree with K75RT--it is probably a Vz-24. CZ used a logo of a z within a circle. I have a c.1950 Duo Pistol with that exact logo in the grip.

08-09-2010, 01:08 PM	#10
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: Unmarked Mauser rifle I agree that it sounds like a VZ-24. The dual sling swivels alone would point in that direction. Apparently someone, for some reason, removed the markings. As is, it has no value other than as a shooter. Jim

08-09-2010, 02:48 PM	#11
daw8752 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 16	Re: Unmarked Mauser rifle Thanks guys for your time and effort Sarge

08-09-2010, 05:11 PM	#12
bbqznbeer V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ontario , Canada Posts: 54	Re: Unmarked Mauser rifle There is the Yugo M48BO ( BO = "bez oznake" = without markings ) Other than a couple of serial numbers these rifles have no stamps.

08-09-2010, 07:13 PM	#13
TRAP55 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Occupied Territory Of Kalifornia Posts: 1,834	Re: Unmarked Mauser rifle Most likely a VZ-24, if it is void of any markings on the left receiver rail, and top of the receiver ring, it was either made like that, or scrubbed for sale to another country. Pics will save a thousand words typed. __________________ Aim small...Miss small www.mausercentral.com/forum

08-10-2010, 01:51 AM	#14
daw8752 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 16	Re: Unmarked Mauser rifle I will try to get some pics here, there are some in my album I'm not sure if these are what you want. Thanks for the help. Sarge

08-10-2010, 05:24 PM	#15
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: Unmarked Mauser rifle I would call it a mixmaster. The bolt is obviously wrong, plus the band has provision for a side sling swivel but the buttstock does not have the throughbolt for the corresponding one. The front sight appears to be from a Model 98AZ carbine. I might suggest one of the many rifles reworked by Turkey, but in general those were marked. While there is a lot of nonsense about "scrubbed" rifles, they do exist and that one appears to be about as scrubbed as it can get. Who did the work and why is AFAIK unknown. Jim

08-10-2010, 05:46 PM	#16
TRAP55 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Occupied Territory Of Kalifornia Posts: 1,834	Re: Unmarked Mauser rifle It's a mixmaster alright. Scrubbed, 8mm, and the front sight say Radom WZ 29 scrubbed for Spain. Maybe a Belgian 1935 if it was 7.65mm. The Z in a circle throws a kink in it. Got a better pic of the bayo lug? The one on the 1935 is different from the other 98 style Mausers. Edit...Just re-read and saw C in a circle....It's a 1935 Belgian........no idea why it's scrubbed..............it may have been for the Greek contract. __________________ Aim small...Miss small www.mausercentral.com/forum Last edited by TRAP55; 08-10-2010 at 05:53 PM..

08-10-2010, 07:36 PM	#17
daw8752 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 16	Re: Unmarked Mauser rifle Thanks for the info, but I have another question,if I may. You state that the bolt is wrong however the bolt, barrel, and reciever all have the ssme number. I am in agreement that it has some strange things about it, but couldn't it just be the stock that is wrong? Sarge Attached Images

08-10-2010, 07:43 PM	#18
K75RT V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Litchfield County, CT Posts: 309	Re: Unmarked Mauser rifle Absolutely possible, the stock could be a replacement and the entire barrelled action could have come from another stock...

08-10-2010, 07:59 PM	#19
daw8752 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 16	Re: Unmarked Mauser rifle Here is a couple of pics that address a comment or two. Sarge P.S The one of the butt shows the only mark on the stock that I see. Attached Images