What is so wonderful about an 1911? - Page 3

hogger129 · 08-31-2010, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGunClinger

My TRP is dead nuts accurate, unfortunately I am not. Out of all my guns, I can hit more accurately with the TRP than any of them. When I take it to the range I make myself look good! They are hard to come by but if you ever get a chance to fire one, you will want one.

The shop out in Sun Prarie has two of them. A stainless one and a parkerized one. I think I'd go with the parkerized. What exactly is the difference between them and the Loaded model like I have?

I know the TRP has a bull barrel. Different grips. And I thought it had a rail on it too. Because I know there's another one called the Operator. But I thought the Operator model was nearly the same thing as the TRP. Operator looks like it comes with the Pachmayr grips. It looks like the Operator is not a bull barrel either. I probably just answered my own question.

Bubblehead · 08-31-2010, 07:25 PM

What is so wonderful about a Glock?

Now don't get me wrong. I've got both. The reason I like a 1911 better is that it fits my hand, it points naturally, it has a great trigger, and a 45acp is an awesome self defense round.

The Glock(23) on the other hand has a higher capacity magazine (13) and an accessory rail. However the grip is too fat, the trigger is lousy (in my opinion) and the point of aim is too high (I have to compensate by bending my wrist which is something I don't want to do in a fight).

So bottom line, the 1911 just suits me better.

To each his own.

BTW, I'm a Ford man also.

John

TheGunClinger · 08-31-2010, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hogger129

The shop out in Sun Prarie has two of them. A stainless one and a parkerized one. I think I'd go with the parkerized. What exactly is the difference between them and the Loaded model like I have?

I know the TRP has a bull barrel. Different grips. And I thought it had a rail on it too. Because I know there's another one called the Operator. But I thought the Operator model was nearly the same thing as the TRP. Operator looks like it comes with the Pachmayr grips. It looks like the Operator is not a bull barrel either. I probably just answered my own question.

Mine is an Operator TRP with a rail. It has G-10 grips which will rip your skin off if you dont hold it tight. Extremely accurate.

TheGunClinger · 08-31-2010, 08:42 PM

I bought it used with about 20 rounds through it for $950.00!

jakharath · 09-09-2010, 01:02 PM

When I pick up a 1911, it just feels ... right. Like the gun belongs in my hand. Sig's are close, but still not a 1911. I got my full sized one in 1990. She's changed since then, but I still carry her to this day. My 1911 is a constant in my life. She works without fail, always.

Recently I've started reloading and found that my 1911 REALLY likes 185gr lead SWC's. It's as if the skies parted and John Moses Browning smiled down upon me.

Several years ago (2006) a friend referred to my 1911 as Frankenstein. I quote:

"A friend of mine has been shooting the same 1911 .45 for about 16 years or so. Well, pretty much the same 1911. It's a custom frame that's had some additions over the years. It's huge, clunky, and heavy. If Dr. Frankenstein built a 1911, it would look a lot like this one. If it runs out of ammo in a fight, he can beat his targets to death with it. It's got huge sights on it. It's got a huge fat hammer, and a very smooth trigger. Otherwise, there's nothing really special about this .45. No fancy polymer frame. No night sights, no fancy custom trigger, no light rails, etc. There's nothing on the pistol that could be considered, "tactical" by the modern standards of such. But it worked, and worked well. Not one jam. Not one misfire. Not one miss on a target, from what I could tell. I couldn't say the same. Though to be fair, I only had one jam that was attributable to bad ammo. Another lesson learned.

This friend has pretty much carried this gun for 16 years. It fell out of service for awhile when a Glock 17 showed up. But it came back. It then got shifted to the back burner when a Sig interloper tried to move into contention. But again, it came back. He's always loved the feel of this gun, and the way it handled. It's been a constant in his life.

More importantly, he shoots the old warhorse phenomenally. We shot combat drills with it, as well as plain target shooting. To say that he beat the rest of us soundly is an understatement. He's accurate. He's fast on the draw, and fast on the target. There was a noticeable level of skill with the old Frankenstein 1911 that none of the rest of us had. The scary thing was, this guy hadn't shot in over a year. And he shamed the rest of us.

I can't tell you how many pistols I've gone through over the years. I can shoot just about anything decently. I can qualify with just about any auto that I've picked up. But I can't hit the shots that he can hit. I have no confidence in the preciseness of my shot placement with any of my guns. I am nowhere near that good as this friend of mine with the Frankenstein 1911. He's scary good.

I think the reason is that he's been married to one pistol for all these years. It's almost a part of him. He can pull off any shot he needs to make with this pistol, probably without thinking about it. Even if he hasn't shot it much lately, he still carries it day to day. He still puts it on his bedside table every night. It fits his hand.

If a critical, life-or-death pistol shot had to be taken; I'd want him to take it with the monster 1911. This friend of mine knows that pistol inside and out. It's been a constant companion. And it shows.

So the lesson learned is to pick one weapon. Learn it inside and out. Carry it every day. Clean it and take care of it. Learn its quirks, its likes and dislikes. Learn to trust it. It will pay off dividends if needed. It will fit the hand like a glove, and point as naturally as a finger. The bullets will hit where they were intended to hit."

Since then I put night sights on it and have changed from Pachmeyer grips to Hogues. I am still chasing the perfect triger pull...

Their are really only two things that makes MY 1911 different than most: 1) I prefer (but don't have to have) an arched mainspring housing and 2) I MUST have a wide spur hammer. I'm a lefty and it makes decocking it much easier (and safer).

Here's another reason 1911's are wonderful:

A friend had a squib in his Glock (pure ammo malfunction). We were way out on a ranch in a mule. I found a screwdriver but couldn't knock the bullet out of the barrel. So I unloaded my 1911 and used it as a hammer to get the stuck round out of the Glock barrel. Frankenstein to the rescue!

My best advice is to reread my friends last paragraph - it holds true for any weapon - and to go forth and shoot one* and see for yourself!

* a true 1911, not one's that are sacrilege to the Browning design. No plastic parts (yes, I'm talking to YOU Kimber, with your plastic mainspring housing) and polymer frames are out of the question.

Bubblehead · 09-09-2010, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jakharath

Here's another reason 1911's are wonderful:

A friend had a squib in his Glock (pure ammo malfunction). We were way out on a ranch in a mule. I found a screwdriver but couldn't knock the bullet out of the barrel. So I unloaded my 1911 and used it as a hammer to get the stuck round out of the Glock barrel. Frankenstein to the rescue!

Now that's funny. I can hardly wait to see how the "Glocker's" reply.

John

johnlives4christ · 09-09-2010, 01:51 PM

i like both 1911's and glocks.

Luis Fernando · 09-15-2010, 11:25 PM

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Texxut · 09-27-2010, 12:30 AM

Another plus the 1911 holds over the Glock, is the ability to shoot lead projectiles.

glocknut · 09-27-2010, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Texxut

Another plus the 1911 holds over the Glock, is the ability to shoot lead projectiles.

Darn good point! With the obscene prices of ammo these days i figure making my own lead rounds with be mandatory before long...

AND...if i use a bullet trap i can recycle lead endlessly!

mike
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MisterEd · 11-07-2010, 11:10 AM

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Another plus the 1911 holds over the Glock, is the ability to shoot lead projectiles.

And SWC shaped lead projectiles to boot! My 1st gen G-17 would not run SWC. A friend of mine bought a G-36 and it will not run lead SWC either. With the exception of a mid-70's Colt GCNM I used to own all my 1911's have run SWC without a problem. The GC had other problems as well so the ammo issue was a by-product and not the primary problem

Boris · 11-07-2010, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by zb338

During WW2 whenever the Germans had the chance they grabbed
a 1911 and used it if they could get ammo. It was better than
any other gun out there. I have a few 1911's but if I had my choice
I would carry a Model 19 S&W chambered in .357. From 0 yds. to
200 yds. an enemy better be moving or they have been had.
Zeke

I did 3.5 years of hard time behind a gun counter at a high volume gunstore some time ago. I met all kinds of people and got lots of war stories from fellas that were there in the flesh.

An older gentleman was at the pistol case looking at some 1911s. I asked if he wanted to look at any. He just told me about how looking at them reminds him of the last time he used one. By use I mean in a real war in a real gunfight. He ran out of ammo for his rifle and had to use his 1911 he had. He put 2 rounds into a Gerry at what he said was about 25-30 yards. It was winter time and the guy he shot was wearing two thick wool coats. When he got up to the shot enemy he was still alive, so he put two more in him. Upon inspection the two rounds did NOT penetrate the thick jackets, they just knocked the wind out of him. He told me he found himself a 9mm pistol (he could not remember the make) and never used the 45 again, and never had a penetration problem again. He declined to even hold a 1911.

Another guy told me a story about the Jungles of Vietnam. He and a bunch of guys were on a detail to build up defense around their FOB. A few had 1911s on them and the rest were working away. A VC came out of the jungle shooting them up. He had 11 .45" holes in him and kept on going like nothing was going on. One round from a M16 ended it all. While he was getting pumped with eleven 45 holes he killed 3 of his buddies. He was in tears by the end of the story and never wanted to touch one again because of the 1911 in his hands failed to save his buddies lives. His words, not mine.

I have seen first hand what a 9mm can do in real life with ball. It is no slouch folks. 45, 9mm, they will both fail as spectacular as the other.

As for the 1911. It is a marvel of even modern technology. To have one 99 years ago must have been a god send to our troops. I am a Glock guy. I have used and owned 1911s. I know what both are capable of. Use a good mag in a milspec 1911 and all you got is a less capacity (does not matter to me) heavier pistol as good as any Glock........

Diamondback · 11-07-2010, 01:11 PM

It was my great pleasure to finally obtain a 1911 a year ago. It is a Taurus PT-1911. I own a total of 7 semi-auto pistols. The PT-1911, a PT-99, 2 Ruger Mk1's, a CZ70 in 7.62x25 and a Beretta 1932 in 32acp. My favorite is the PT-1911. So far it has eaten everything I have fed it with no failures.It is everything I expected from the design. Both Mk1's are tack drivers at 10yds. The 1911 is almost as good. The CZ and the beretta are area guns. you will some where in the area you are aiming.
My apologies to Glocknut and others but the glock does not come close to comparing to the 1911. I have fired both and found the glock to be unwieldy and diffucult to aim. The lack of any safety put the glock at the bottom of my list. Hand a 3 yr. old a glock and a 1911 and guaranteed he will fire the glock hours before he figures out the 1911.
An earlier post quoted Jeff Copper as saying the glock was designed for those who have neither the time or the inclination to properly learn safe pistol handling techniques. With sufficient practice the safety on the 1911 become second nature under all circumstances.
This my personal opinion and I am not denigrating in any way those who love the glock or any other pistol. My personal preference is for a manual safety.

Boris · 11-07-2010, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Diamondback

a CZ70 in 7.62x25

That has got to be a handfull!! I think you meant 7.65x17mm, or 7.65Br. I doubt it is marked 32acp......

08-31-2010, 07:25 PM	#52
Bubblehead V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Pioneer, CA Posts: 480	Re: What is so wonderful about an 1911? What is so wonderful about a Glock? Now don't get me wrong. I've got both. The reason I like a 1911 better is that it fits my hand, it points naturally, it has a great trigger, and a 45acp is an awesome self defense round. The Glock(23) on the other hand has a higher capacity magazine (13) and an accessory rail. However the grip is too fat, the trigger is lousy (in my opinion) and the point of aim is too high (I have to compensate by bending my wrist which is something I don't want to do in a fight). So bottom line, the 1911 just suits me better. To each his own. BTW, I'm a Ford man also. John __________________ There are only two types of ships: Submarines and Targets.

08-31-2010, 08:42 PM	#54
TheGunClinger Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: SW Florida Contributor Posts: 2,378	Re: What is so wonderful about an 1911? I bought it used with about 20 rounds through it for $950.00! __________________ New England Patriots Rule Next year.

09-09-2010, 01:02 PM	#55
jakharath Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bryan, TX Posts: 2	Re: What is so wonderful about an 1911? When I pick up a 1911, it just feels ... right. Like the gun belongs in my hand. Sig's are close, but still not a 1911. I got my full sized one in 1990. She's changed since then, but I still carry her to this day. My 1911 is a constant in my life. She works without fail, always. Recently I've started reloading and found that my 1911 REALLY likes 185gr lead SWC's. It's as if the skies parted and John Moses Browning smiled down upon me. Several years ago (2006) a friend referred to my 1911 as Frankenstein. I quote: "A friend of mine has been shooting the same 1911 .45 for about 16 years or so. Well, pretty much the same 1911. It's a custom frame that's had some additions over the years. It's huge, clunky, and heavy. If Dr. Frankenstein built a 1911, it would look a lot like this one. If it runs out of ammo in a fight, he can beat his targets to death with it. It's got huge sights on it. It's got a huge fat hammer, and a very smooth trigger. Otherwise, there's nothing really special about this .45. No fancy polymer frame. No night sights, no fancy custom trigger, no light rails, etc. There's nothing on the pistol that could be considered, "tactical" by the modern standards of such. But it worked, and worked well. Not one jam. Not one misfire. Not one miss on a target, from what I could tell. I couldn't say the same. Though to be fair, I only had one jam that was attributable to bad ammo. Another lesson learned. This friend has pretty much carried this gun for 16 years. It fell out of service for awhile when a Glock 17 showed up. But it came back. It then got shifted to the back burner when a Sig interloper tried to move into contention. But again, it came back. He's always loved the feel of this gun, and the way it handled. It's been a constant in his life. More importantly, he shoots the old warhorse phenomenally. We shot combat drills with it, as well as plain target shooting. To say that he beat the rest of us soundly is an understatement. He's accurate. He's fast on the draw, and fast on the target. There was a noticeable level of skill with the old Frankenstein 1911 that none of the rest of us had. The scary thing was, this guy hadn't shot in over a year. And he shamed the rest of us. I can't tell you how many pistols I've gone through over the years. I can shoot just about anything decently. I can qualify with just about any auto that I've picked up. But I can't hit the shots that he can hit. I have no confidence in the preciseness of my shot placement with any of my guns. I am nowhere near that good as this friend of mine with the Frankenstein 1911. He's scary good. I think the reason is that he's been married to one pistol for all these years. It's almost a part of him. He can pull off any shot he needs to make with this pistol, probably without thinking about it. Even if he hasn't shot it much lately, he still carries it day to day. He still puts it on his bedside table every night. It fits his hand. If a critical, life-or-death pistol shot had to be taken; I'd want him to take it with the monster 1911. This friend of mine knows that pistol inside and out. It's been a constant companion. And it shows. So the lesson learned is to pick one weapon. Learn it inside and out. Carry it every day. Clean it and take care of it. Learn its quirks, its likes and dislikes. Learn to trust it. It will pay off dividends if needed. It will fit the hand like a glove, and point as naturally as a finger. The bullets will hit where they were intended to hit." Since then I put night sights on it and have changed from Pachmeyer grips to Hogues. I am still chasing the perfect triger pull... Their are really only two things that makes MY 1911 different than most: 1) I prefer (but don't have to have) an arched mainspring housing and 2) I MUST have a wide spur hammer. I'm a lefty and it makes decocking it much easier (and safer). Here's another reason 1911's are wonderful: A friend had a squib in his Glock (pure ammo malfunction). We were way out on a ranch in a mule. I found a screwdriver but couldn't knock the bullet out of the barrel. So I unloaded my 1911 and used it as a hammer to get the stuck round out of the Glock barrel. Frankenstein to the rescue! My best advice is to reread my friends last paragraph - it holds true for any weapon - and to go forth and shoot one* and see for yourself! * a true 1911, not one's that are sacrilege to the Browning design. No plastic parts (yes, I'm talking to YOU Kimber, with your plastic mainspring housing) and polymer frames are out of the question.

09-09-2010, 01:51 PM	#57
johnlives4christ Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,828	Re: What is so wonderful about an 1911? i like both 1911's and glocks.

09-15-2010, 11:25 PM	#58
Luis Fernando V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Montreal,Quebec CANADA Posts: 173	Re: What is so wonderful about an 1911? And mines Springfield Armory TRP TACTICAL [IMG]http:URL=http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2736225000103886237VAWCom][/URL][/IMG] [IMG]http:[/IMG] Colt Government MK IV/ Series 70 [IMG]http:[/IMG] [IMG]http:[/IMG] Luis Fernando

09-27-2010, 12:30 AM	#59
Texxut V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Utah Posts: 264	Re: What is so wonderful about an 1911? Another plus the 1911 holds over the Glock, is the ability to shoot lead projectiles.

11-07-2010, 01:11 PM	#63
Diamondback Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Silver City, Oklahoma Posts: 659	Re: What is so wonderful about an 1911? It was my great pleasure to finally obtain a 1911 a year ago. It is a Taurus PT-1911. I own a total of 7 semi-auto pistols. The PT-1911, a PT-99, 2 Ruger Mk1's, a CZ70 in 7.62x25 and a Beretta 1932 in 32acp. My favorite is the PT-1911. So far it has eaten everything I have fed it with no failures.It is everything I expected from the design. Both Mk1's are tack drivers at 10yds. The 1911 is almost as good. The CZ and the beretta are area guns. you will some where in the area you are aiming. My apologies to Glocknut and others but the glock does not come close to comparing to the 1911. I have fired both and found the glock to be unwieldy and diffucult to aim. The lack of any safety put the glock at the bottom of my list. Hand a 3 yr. old a glock and a 1911 and guaranteed he will fire the glock hours before he figures out the 1911. An earlier post quoted Jeff Copper as saying the glock was designed for those who have neither the time or the inclination to properly learn safe pistol handling techniques. With sufficient practice the safety on the 1911 become second nature under all circumstances. This my personal opinion and I am not denigrating in any way those who love the glock or any other pistol. My personal preference is for a manual safety.