mannlicher schoenauer ID

btburn · 11-03-2010, 07:07 PM

I have an old Mannlicher Schoenauer That I would like to ID. It is engraved:
Made in Austria
Patent
Mannlicher
Schoenauer
KAL: 7-62x63

It has double set trigger, rotary mag, trapdoor in buttplate with cleaning rod pieces and places for what I'm guessing hold bore brushes or cartridges, engraved 1089 on front ring of receiver and chamber end of barrel, standard blade sight and flip up blade marked 300, has a side mounted scope mount, crack in stock near mount.

I've never shot it, Received from my dad a while back and it's been sitting around in the safe since then.

It doesn't have the full length "mannlicher style" stock.

I know a picture says 1000 words, but couldn't figure how to get on here.
I can email you the pictures if you can help me out.

I'm new to this board so if this is not the correct place for this let me know.
Thanks

Jim K · 11-03-2010, 07:30 PM

FWIW, 7.62x63 is known on this side of the pond as .30-'06.

Jim

wonderwhippet · 11-03-2010, 10:38 PM

An appraisal can only be made if we can judge the quality of the engraving, and this cannot be done without a picture.

btburn · 11-04-2010, 07:02 AM

OK, lets see if this works
group room password is : mannlicher

mannlicherschoenauer.snapfish.com/snapfish

btburn · 11-04-2010, 07:14 AM

If that one doesn't work maybe this one:

http://s70.photobucket.com/albums/i103/btburn/

btburn · 11-04-2010, 09:44 AM

wonderwhippet · 11-04-2010, 07:32 PM

We have a misunderstanding here. You referred to the stamped markings as "engraved." This made me think you have an engraved rifle, and it is a standard factory model without engraving. It is, I believe, a 1952 model with a half stock rather than the more desireable full stock. On the other hand, it has double set triggers and a very high quality and expensive scope mount, both very value enhancing. All in all, my estimate of the real world value of this rifle is about $1800.

Jim K · 11-04-2010, 08:50 PM

The shop I worked for at about that time sold a lot of those rifles and I don't ever recall seeing one with that type of foreend. My memory may just be faulty, but I wonder if it could have been a full length stock that was cut down. That rifle must have been a very early import if they didn't have the .30-'06 stamp made up and used the European designation. Or it was an earlier gun, not commercially imported and custom chambered.

The scope mount is European, typical for the M-S, which has to have a high mount attached to the side due to the way the bolt operates.

Jim

btburn · 11-05-2010, 10:51 PM

It's a beautiful rifle and I love the trigger(s). I'll look up what I can and see if it looks like the stock was chopped down. If anyone else has info let me know.
Thanks for the leads.

Contenderizer · 11-07-2010, 02:20 PM

As you research this gun you may wish to consider the possibility that it was never intended for export. I suggest this possibility given that "caliber" is abbreviated KAL, and that the round is identified in metric dementions rather than as 30-06. If I am correct, it is quite possible that the stock is original.

btburn · 11-09-2010, 12:56 PM

It appears that this is the original configuration of the stock, judging on the taper of the fore end and the finish.
Thanks

scout2*10 · 01-09-2012, 12:30 AM

That is the original stock. The carbine had an 18 inch barrel in the early guns and the later ones had a 20 inch barrel, those were full stocked. The rifle had a 23 1/2 inch barrel and were half stocked. Double set triggers were the standard, a single trigger one is more rare. Also, the 30-06 was first offered in the 1924/25 model and was offered for export. They weren't marked as 30-06 until after 1950. Take off the stock and look at the bottom of the receiver, should be a code, such as 1541-25. The digits befor the dash identify what number receiver it is and the last two are the year. 1541-25 whould be the 1541st receiver built into a rifle in the year 1925. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's a 1924/25 Model as the next model was the 1950 and it had the wing safety and a safety on the right side of the receiver. Very nice rifle, treasure it and thank your lucky star it has the cleaning rod, most don't. If you can even find an original, they are a hundred plus.

http://www.mannlicher.org/Portals/14...cs%20sheet.doc

11-03-2010, 07:07 PM	#1
btburn Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 6	mannlicher schoenauer ID I have an old Mannlicher Schoenauer That I would like to ID. It is engraved: Made in Austria Patent Mannlicher Schoenauer KAL: 7-62x63 It has double set trigger, rotary mag, trapdoor in buttplate with cleaning rod pieces and places for what I'm guessing hold bore brushes or cartridges, engraved 1089 on front ring of receiver and chamber end of barrel, standard blade sight and flip up blade marked 300, has a side mounted scope mount, crack in stock near mount. I've never shot it, Received from my dad a while back and it's been sitting around in the safe since then. It doesn't have the full length "mannlicher style" stock. I know a picture says 1000 words, but couldn't figure how to get on here. I can email you the pictures if you can help me out. I'm new to this board so if this is not the correct place for this let me know. Thanks -->

11-03-2010, 07:30 PM	#2
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: mannlicher schoenauer ID FWIW, 7.62x63 is known on this side of the pond as .30-'06. Jim

11-03-2010, 10:38 PM	#3
wonderwhippet Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,582	Re: mannlicher schoenauer ID An appraisal can only be made if we can judge the quality of the engraving, and this cannot be done without a picture.

11-04-2010, 07:02 AM	#4
btburn Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 6	Re: mannlicher schoenauer ID OK, lets see if this works group room password is : mannlicher mannlicherschoenauer.snapfish.com/snapfish

11-04-2010, 07:14 AM	#5
btburn Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 6	Re: mannlicher schoenauer ID If that one doesn't work maybe this one: http://s70.photobucket.com/albums/i103/btburn/

11-04-2010, 09:44 AM	#6
btburn Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 6	Re: mannlicher schoenauer ID

11-04-2010, 07:32 PM	#7
wonderwhippet Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,582	Re: mannlicher schoenauer ID We have a misunderstanding here. You referred to the stamped markings as "engraved." This made me think you have an engraved rifle, and it is a standard factory model without engraving. It is, I believe, a 1952 model with a half stock rather than the more desireable full stock. On the other hand, it has double set triggers and a very high quality and expensive scope mount, both very value enhancing. All in all, my estimate of the real world value of this rifle is about $1800.

11-04-2010, 08:50 PM	#8
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: mannlicher schoenauer ID The shop I worked for at about that time sold a lot of those rifles and I don't ever recall seeing one with that type of foreend. My memory may just be faulty, but I wonder if it could have been a full length stock that was cut down. That rifle must have been a very early import if they didn't have the .30-'06 stamp made up and used the European designation. Or it was an earlier gun, not commercially imported and custom chambered. The scope mount is European, typical for the M-S, which has to have a high mount attached to the side due to the way the bolt operates. Jim

11-05-2010, 10:51 PM	#9
btburn Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 6	Re: mannlicher schoenauer ID It's a beautiful rifle and I love the trigger(s). I'll look up what I can and see if it looks like the stock was chopped down. If anyone else has info let me know. Thanks for the leads.

11-07-2010, 02:20 PM	#10
Contenderizer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: North-Central Florida, USA Posts: 599	Re: mannlicher schoenauer ID As you research this gun you may wish to consider the possibility that it was never intended for export. I suggest this possibility given that "caliber" is abbreviated KAL, and that the round is identified in metric dementions rather than as 30-06. If I am correct, it is quite possible that the stock is original. __________________ NOTE: The information herein is provided free of charge. In some instances, you may actually be getting your money's worth. Author of: The History and Guns of Simson & Co., Suhl www.cornellpubs.com

11-09-2010, 12:56 PM	#11
btburn Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 6	Re: mannlicher schoenauer ID It appears that this is the original configuration of the stock, judging on the taper of the fore end and the finish. Thanks

01-09-2012, 12:30 AM	#12
scout2*10 Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 8	Re: mannlicher schoenauer ID That is the original stock. The carbine had an 18 inch barrel in the early guns and the later ones had a 20 inch barrel, those were full stocked. The rifle had a 23 1/2 inch barrel and were half stocked. Double set triggers were the standard, a single trigger one is more rare. Also, the 30-06 was first offered in the 1924/25 model and was offered for export. They weren't marked as 30-06 until after 1950. Take off the stock and look at the bottom of the receiver, should be a code, such as 1541-25. The digits befor the dash identify what number receiver it is and the last two are the year. 1541-25 whould be the 1541st receiver built into a rifle in the year 1925. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's a 1924/25 Model as the next model was the 1950 and it had the wing safety and a safety on the right side of the receiver. Very nice rifle, treasure it and thank your lucky star it has the cleaning rod, most don't. If you can even find an original, they are a hundred plus. http://www.mannlicher.org/Portals/14...cs%20sheet.doc