Love or Hate Glocks

[steve666]

Don't like 'em. They feel like a plastic brick in my hand.

[BobMcG]

Originally Posted by steve666

Don't like 'em. They feel like a plastic brick in my hand.

On that note and armed with the fact that all hands aren't created equal, or at least the same...
My Glock fits my hand quite well and points just fine for me. I have it fitted with a molded rubber over-grip which I find to be extremely comfortable and it provides a positive grip under wet conditions, which was the main reason for installing it.
It's a 22, Gen 3 with a high quality recoil spring/rod assembly, recoil buffer and night sights installed. It shoots well enough for what I need it for (90% a house gun) and functions flawlessly as long as I don't feed it the older pre-'95 hot Federal ammo. (A search will explain that subject if anyone wishes.)

And speaking of hands...
On the one hand, I can't really say it falls into the "I love it" category 'cause to me it's just a plain, tool type firearm. Nothing pretty, or flashy here, just pure functionality as far as I'm concerned.
On the other hand though, I do like it very much.

[BobMcG]

Originally Posted by springerbuster

Also I reload and I've heard a lot of bad about reloading brass shot from Glocks due to the unsupported chamber.

A problem not shared equally by all Glocks but does lend itself well to the .40s. However it's something I easily address through the use of a Redding titanium, carbide GRx die. I use it on all of my .40S&W Glock fired brass and range brass.

AND: You might be surprised, Glocks aren't the only pistols that generously expand cartridge heads. There are others just about the same.

BTW: As far as unsupported chambers go.... ever check out some of the 1911s? They get away with it because of the lower operating pressures.

[Boris]

Originally Posted by BobMcG

A problem not shared equally by all Glocks but does lend itself well to the .40s. However it's something I easily address through the use of a Redding titanium, carbide GRx die. I use it on all of my .40S&W Glock fired brass and range brass.

AND: You might be surprised, Glocks aren't the only pistols that generously expand cartridge heads. There are others just about the same.

BTW: As far as unsupported chambers go.... ever check out some of the 1911s? They get away with it because of the lower operating pressures.

One of the main reasons I like 9x19mm is because the brass is pretty darn tough and can contain any factory load, even the hottest, even in a Glock.

A few years back I was shooting WWB bulkpack from the G19. I fired off 11 rounds from one box when I had to stop. Four of the rounds were WAY over pressure. The recoil was more than I ever felt a 9x19mm produce, the muzzle flash was huge and bright in full day light. I found all four of the cases and the primers were flowing bad. Look at this pic of one of the cases. I took a pic of the unsupported part of the case to show how strong 9x19mm brass is and the fact it did not bulge even in a Glock chamber.



Not even 9mm major handloads or NATO spec ammo that runs upto 42,000psi will come close to flattening a primer like this. had to be well over 50,000psi. Didnt even hurt the Glock.......

[Boris]

pic of a case fired from a different lot for comparison.



purple sheets are for johnlives4christ lol.......

[glocknut]

Originally Posted by steve666

Don't like 'em. They feel like a plastic brick in my hand.

So i assume you are used to something "soft and mushy" in your hand instead?

[BobMcG]

Originally Posted by Boris

One of the main reasons I like 9x19mm is because the brass is pretty darn tough and can contain any factory load, even the hottest, even in a Glock

I hear ya, but that's why I was talking about the .40S&W/GLOCK, as in the "GLOCKABOOM" event. Been through it... twice. I don't know of that problem occurring with the GLOCK 9s and is probably the reason that the only GRx dies I know of are in .40S&W.

[richerich]

I like em alot but.. (had a G32) This might get someone but upset I like my Sigma .40 better.

[Boris]

Originally Posted by richerich

I like em alot but.. (had a G32) This might get someone but upset I like my Sigma .40 better.

I worked with a guy whos dad bought two G21s. One for himself and one for the guy I worked with. The dealer gave him a Sigma 40 for free when he bought them cuz it sat there for a looooong time. I shot it. It is my opinion if S&W wants to make Glocks they could atleast put Glock triggers in them and make them with the proper grip angle. They would sell so many if they got their heads outa their rearends and just fixed the freakin triggers on their Glocks. I shot an Apex equiped M&P and it was a joy to shoot. Since the M&P cost more than an original Glock made by Glock Inc. and the trigger fix itself is pretty expensive, I will stick to non clone Glocks made by Glock until they bring the MSRP down, make it with a proper grip angle and a real Glock trigger. They cloned everything but the best parts of OEM Glocks. Kinda silly, and thats why they will never be as popular, yet they SHOULD be just as popular. Just my opinion, and remember. It IS worth every penny you paid for it!!

[johnlives4christ]

im thinking about reverting back from glocks to single action cowboy guns. why not? it worked for wild bill didnt it

[Boris]

Originally Posted by johnlives4christ

im thinking about reverting back from glocks to single action cowboy guns. why not? it worked for wild bill didnt it

Why not. Just dont get rid of that Glock! Ya need sumtin' for zombies.....

Every now and again I carry my 1895 Nagant for a housegun. I carry it with 32 S&W Longs by Magtech. The 98 grain SJHP. This round has a good amount more pop than the LRN loads and is actualy going faster than the 73 grain loads from my P32 that I carry from time to time as a house gun. So as I see it it has enough power for defense and it is pretty much a SA gun since the DA is so freakin heavy on the thing, but it can be done DA..

You could carry in one of them drop leg rigs, the original tactical thigh holster lol.......

[oscarmayer]

i've been known to keep a colt single action in 45 colt loaded up next to the night stand, i too think it has been defending folks for well over 100 years no reason it won't work now

[johnlives4christ]

i wont be getting rid of my glock yet.

i dont much like drop leg rigs though. they got to be tied down to be happy... and that makes my leg no happy.

would sure reduce the risk of accidental or negligent discharges. not that i ever have a problem with that

[AAofLot19]

Hate em. Too light for accurate target shooting. I prefer an all metal frame for less recoil. I've never carried one though.

[oscarmayer]

of as already suggested here you can get a replacement frame made in either steel or aluminum which is still subject to cracking but it will add weight to the gun. which does defeats the whole purpose of a plastic gun ...

[hogger129]

Originally Posted by Boris

pic of a case fired from a different lot for comparison.



purple sheets are for johnlives4christ lol.......

What would you guys have to say about the .40 S&W Glocks? I know not all of them explode, but what I heard is that in order for Glock handguns, as well as many other handguns, to feed reliably, they leave more of their chamber unsupported. .40 S&W is a pretty high pressure round to begin with. Plus if you are shooting overloaded rounds, that could lead to a kaboom. From what I understand, 9x19 is not as high energy as .40 S&W.


As far as Glocks go, yeah, I think they serve their intended purpose well. I mean obviously it's hard to compare it to say, a 1911. But I mean it's reliable, it's inexpensive, it is available in a wide range of options as far as what rounds you want. I'd give Glock a chance. I can shoot the 17 pretty accurately. I'd rather have a Glock than some other guns I've shot/handled in the past.

[Boris]

Originally Posted by hogger129

What would you guys have to say about the .40 S&W Glocks? I know not all of them explode, but what I heard is that in order for Glock handguns, as well as many other handguns, to feed reliably, they leave more of their chamber unsupported. .40 S&W is a pretty high pressure round to begin with. Plus if you are shooting overloaded rounds, that could lead to a kaboom. From what I understand, 9x19 is not as high energy as .40 S&W.


As far as Glocks go, yeah, I think they serve their intended purpose well. I mean obviously it's hard to compare it to say, a 1911. But I mean it's reliable, it's inexpensive, it is available in a wide range of options as far as what rounds you want. I'd give Glock a chance. I can shoot the 17 pretty accurately. I'd rather have a Glock than some other guns I've shot/handled in the past.

SAAMI 40 caliber and 9x19mm is loaded to a max of 35,000psi. Same exact pressure for both. SAAMI +P 9x19mm is 38,500psi. CIP standard psi for 9x19mm is 39,200psi.

9x19mm brass is as a design ALOT stronger than 40S&W. The case for 40 caliber was designed for a fully supported chamber, Glock pushes the limits on the cases strength.

[Big Shrek]

Originally Posted by hogger129

What would you guys have to say about the .40 S&W Glocks? I know not all of them explode, but what I heard is that in order for Glock handguns, as well as many other handguns, to feed reliably, they leave more of their chamber unsupported. .40 S&W is a pretty high pressure round to begin with. Plus if you are shooting overloaded rounds, that could lead to a kaboom. From what I understand, 9x19 is not as high energy as .40 S&W.


As far as Glocks go, yeah, I think they serve their intended purpose well. I mean obviously it's hard to compare it to say, a 1911. But I mean it's reliable, it's inexpensive, it is available in a wide range of options as far as what rounds you want. I'd give Glock a chance. I can shoot the 17 pretty accurately. I'd rather have a Glock than some other guns I've shot/handled in the past.

I personally think that the .40 S&W round is a compromise for shooters that couldn't handle 10mm.

If you are a strong person who works out, get a 10mm.
If yer a wimp, get a .40 Short & Wimpy.

Just my view... brutal, but precise...much like my Glock 20 (10mm)

If you don't like the feel of a Glock, Daw Wesson makes a 1911 version in 10mm

[BobMcG]

Originally Posted by Big Shrek

I personally think that the .40 S&W round is a compromise for shooters that couldn't handle 10mm.

If you are a strong person who works out, get a 10mm.
If yer a wimp, get a .40 Short & Wimpy.

Just my view... brutal, but precise...

Precise? Say what?

Wait, I get it, you're a comedian right?

It's your view alright and you're entitled to it, but maybe you should clean your lenses. I mean, I've heard a lot of strange theories before but this one certainly takes the cake.

[Rick O'Shay]

I dont currently own a Glock and do favor revolvers but I do own three semi autos. I had a Model 17 when they first came out and it kind of left a sour taste in my mouth. But my experiences through the years with other Glocks as they have matured have given me a very positive additude towards them. While the Glock would not be my first choice if I was limited to one gun I would feel very comfortable with one. If a man could only have one semi auto handgun for all around use I'm sure he could find a Glock to fill his requirements.

[johnlives4christ]

anyone that suggests getting a 10mm either owns stock in an ammo company or in reloading equipment. expensive and hard to get is what comes to mind. not completely useless but much like the 41 magnum and 357 sig.... almost. i'd like to get a smith 1006 though. dunno why. i'd take a 40 over a 10 any day though for ammo availability. if ammo was the same price i probably would reconsider

[Regular Joe]

You guyz who knock the kaboom issue with the .40's need to take a close look at some of the more recent barrels, esp. compared to those that had the prob. The unsupported area has gone away. It never existed with 9mm.
As for the old discussion about power and so forth, do a whole bunch of comparing over here:
http://www.brassfetcher.com/Gel%20Testing.html
and finally understand that there is a whole range of pistol loads that create the "desired" wound characteristics. Actual results depend entirely on the skill and luck of the shooter.
As for the aesthetic appeal of a firearm, I think you guyz are confused about what guns do. I do not buy Glocks to look at, although I find them to be entirely appealing, because form is dictated by function, and function dictates the look of the Glock. There is simply no firearm on earth that is more durable, reliable and functional. Get over it.
As for the discussion regarding the 10 auto. I like the feel of the 20 best of all, but I just don't need a 180 gr. bullet going 1,300 fps. Alliant sez that my 124 gr. Golden Saber load for the 9mm is going 1,234 fps. If I can't do what needs to be done with a pistol using that load, I just have no business using a pistol!

[denny 714]

I just can't stand the way they look. I know a lot of people swear by them but, I personally don't care for them!

Denny G.

[BobMcG]

Originally Posted by Regular Joe

You guyz who knock the kaboom issue with the .40's need to take a close look at some of the more recent barrels, esp. compared to those that had the prob. The unsupported area has gone away.

Not too sure who's "knocking" the GLOCKABOOM issue but my comments were out of two firsthand experiences with the event. I did however track the problem down to my using pre-1994 Federal premium ammo in my 22 Gen-3 which I didn't realize was a big no-no. It was just my luck that I couldn't figure out the problem until my 22 blew-up twice. I rebuilt it twice and reserved the remaining inventory of said ammo to my other .40s. Problem solved. That being said, yes you can eliminate the problem by purchasing an aftermarket barrel. (Not by getting another factory Glock barrel though that I know of.)

Check out this thread.
And this website to learn more about GLOCKABOOM.