Any need for full power 00 or slugs? - The Firearms Forum

Bushmaster1313 · 12-30-2010, 08:48 PM

Last week I picked up my High Standard 18-7 Riot gun at the local FFL who also has a range "that allows you to fire anything you can carry in"

I got the NICS approval and asked to buy some 2 3/4" 00 and slugs.
All they had was Remington 00 at about 1300 FPS and Federal 1 oz. slugs.

I have been spoiled by shooting the Fiocchi LE 00 from my padded 870, I was stiff from a body cold, the 18-7 does not have a recoil pad and I really did not enjoy firing those full power loads.

Is there any need in a non-bear hunting scenario to load up with anything more powerful than the Fiocchi LE 00 or LE slugs?

CampingJosh · 12-30-2010, 09:52 PM

Yeah, there is a purpose for those full-power buckshot loads. Shooting bucks.

Deer are a lot more hearty than humans, so it takes a more powerful load to drop them. The Fiocchi ammo will be just fine in a self-defense situation.

As a side note, I'm really a fan of Fiocchi ammo in general.

Bushmaster1313 · 12-30-2010, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CampingJosh

Yeah, there is a purpose for those full-power buckshot loads. Shooting bucks.

Deer are a lot more hearty than humans, so it takes a more powerful load to drop them. The Fiocchi ammo will be just fine in a self-defense situation.

As a side note, I'm really a fan of Fiocchi ammo in general.

I don't hunt.
Why use buckshot on deer when a slug would do the job much cleaner and from farther away?

CampingJosh · 12-30-2010, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bushmaster1313

Why use buckshot on deer when a slug would do the job much cleaner and from farther away?

Within its effective range, buckshot is more devastating to the target because it introduces multiple wounds/traumas upon the body. When hunting in areas where short range shots are the only ones reasonably expected (due to terrain, foliage, etc.), buckshot is a great choice.

redwing carson · 12-30-2010, 11:17 PM

I have never hunted with buck shot. I have dumped a few pounds on the target ranges. I would not hunt any thing with buck shot. I have never found it to be accurate or dependable at more than 15 yards. Just my thoughts yours may differ.

RC

Zane71464 · 12-31-2010, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by redwing carson

I have never hunted with buck shot. I have dumped a few pounds on the target ranges. I would not hunt any thing with buck shot. I have never found it to be accurate or dependable at more than 15 yards. Just my thoughts yours may differ.

RC

+1...our law here requires slugs to hunt with, but even if I had the choice, it would be slugs for the fact as said in post's above. Shot will scatter out after a certain yardage and it may be good up-close and personal, but that's about it! jmo.

Jay · 12-31-2010, 05:46 AM

I hunt deer for meat, and would never consider any buckshot. It would tear up too much meat, and I believe buckshot to be a less than humane ammunition for deer. To each his own. I hunt deer with a 44 mag lever action, and I use #4 buck for HD. Entirely personal preference.

carver · 12-31-2010, 08:48 AM

I hunt deer every year with 00 Buck shot. I have killed a lot of deer with this round, out to 65yds., with a 30" full choke barrel. I have had only one deer run after being shot, and that was the 65yd. shot. Inside 45yds. they just drop, and kick.

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Bushmaster1313 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 230	Any need for full power 00 or slugs? Last week I picked up my High Standard 18-7 Riot gun at the local FFL who also has a range "that allows you to fire anything you can carry in" I got the NICS approval and asked to buy some 2 3/4" 00 and slugs. All they had was Remington 00 at about 1300 FPS and Federal 1 oz. slugs. I have been spoiled by shooting the Fiocchi LE 00 from my padded 870, I was stiff from a body cold, the 18-7 does not have a recoil pad and I really did not enjoy firing those full power loads. Is there any need in a non-bear hunting scenario to load up with anything more powerful than the Fiocchi LE 00 or LE slugs? -->

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CampingJosh TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Contributor Posts: 4,788	Re: Any need for full power 00 or slugs? Yeah, there is a purpose for those full-power buckshot loads. Shooting bucks. Deer are a lot more hearty than humans, so it takes a more powerful load to drop them. The Fiocchi ammo will be just fine in a self-defense situation. As a side note, I'm really a fan of Fiocchi ammo in general. __________________ Nothing posted on TheFirearmsForum.com constitutes legal, accounting, gunsmithing, or other professional advice. Readers are encouraged to consult with qualified professionals for real advice. Your life is lived at your own risk. Don't blame me for the dumb things you do.

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redwing carson Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: western wyoming Posts: 734	Re: Any need for full power 00 or slugs? I have never hunted with buck shot. I have dumped a few pounds on the target ranges. I would not hunt any thing with buck shot. I have never found it to be accurate or dependable at more than 15 yards. Just my thoughts yours may differ. RC

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Jay Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,286	Re: Any need for full power 00 or slugs? I hunt deer for meat, and would never consider any buckshot. It would tear up too much meat, and I believe buckshot to be a less than humane ammunition for deer. To each his own. I hunt deer with a 44 mag lever action, and I use #4 buck for HD. Entirely personal preference. __________________ "For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected cannot taste." "USMC 8652, 2531, RVN Jun '67, - May 69"

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carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,280	Re: Any need for full power 00 or slugs? I hunt deer every year with 00 Buck shot. I have killed a lot of deer with this round, out to 65yds., with a 30" full choke barrel. I have had only one deer run after being shot, and that was the 65yd. shot. Inside 45yds. they just drop, and kick. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.