Obomba birth certificate NEW news.

[gendoikari87]

If the HI document is 'shielded by law', where did this copy come from?
Using that reasoning, the document would be a fake. No?

not really, just means it was released, or someone anonymously leaked it illegally. Given that it is a copy I think it's the latter, likely some one needed it for verification (possibly even for his inauguration) so they transferred it, and someone copied or stole the copy and leaked it.

Look closely, is it a date, backwards, 2007?

Quite possibly, if it was sent as a form of verification of citizenship for some campaign stuff.

there would be no reason to even black out the certificate # on the top right, unless...

Unless you don't want the presidents identity stolen?

Edit: found the reverse it's june 6 2007, also found it was not leaked but actually requested by obamas campaign, to show that he was a natural born citizen.
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFil...tificate_9.jpg

[OcelotZ3]

If the HI document is 'shielded by law', where did this copy come from?

If you are referring to the widely-distributed Certificate of Live Birth, Obama released it...

[kingcuke]

Perhaps I'm an idiot or Illinois is just different. In Illinois a hospital birth certificate is not a legal document, only the certificate issued by the county. Much like the diff between a church marriage certificate and the county marriage license, or like the fancy discharge form and your DD214.
Sound and fury signifying nothing. The state of Hawaii says he's a natural born citizen. Don't see where the issue is. Of course the level of exaggeration surrounding politics now has taken on the frenzy of patent medicine and diet products. Don't believe all you hear, especially if it's a sound bite.

[Teejay9]

I know it's a Constitutional Requirement, but it's really too late. Wherever he was born is secondary to where he was brought up. He spent an awfully long time in Indonesia, the most Muslim populated country in the world. He spent time in Kenya, in Pakistan, and lord knows where else.
What I always find amusing is how he speaks to a large, mainly black audience with that phony Black accent. He never grew up Black. He was raised by a white mother and grandmother. I still don't know how this idiot got to be elected . TJ

[Marlin T]

Originally Posted by kingcuke

The state of Hawaii says he's a natural born citizen. Don't see where the issue is.

How about the TWO state officials that say it isn't there AND that he "He was not born in HI."

Nope, I don't see any issues there either.

[gendoikari87]

Originally Posted by Marlin T

How about the TWO state officials that say it isn't there AND that he "He was not born in HI."

Nope, I don't see any issues there either.

They can't find them because they can't get access to them without him directly approving it. Which he did, and we've seen the certificate.

also he was only in indonesia untill fourth grade, and when he was there, he was going to a catholic school. After that Hawaii till he graduated then went to los angeles.

[Bobitis]

Are you saying that the copy his Kenyan B/C which is dated 1964, signed and notarized, is a forgery?

[Double D]

Bottom line is this, the guy is an anti american, socialist, baby killing, muslim loving, lying, worst to EVER take office, embarrasment to the US that we have ever seen or ever will see. Thats why its important, and thats why we want to know. To sit and watch the enemy have the keys to our very freedoms. Thats why its an issue. Next friggin question.

[gendoikari87]

@ bobits: yes, a rather bad one at that.

@double D: Obama is NOT a socialist.... the rest seems about right. I could be wrong it could just be he's never held any managment positions at state level and he just doesn't know what the hell he's doing. I swear I thought being a governor or at least mayor was one requirement to being the president.

[glens67]

It appears that Barack Obama’s official birth certificate actually reads Barry Soetoro. His named was changed from Barack Obama to Barry Soetoro when his mother’s husband Lolo Soetoro adopted Barack. Therefore, the original birth certificate provided by the Barack campaign, is either a fake or his name has been changed back to his birth name. Considering this new development, is Barack a dual-citizen of Indonesia and the United States? And did he use his Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan in 1981?
Glen????

[Double D]

NOT A SOCIALIST? REALLY? Give me a break.

[ozo]

"@ bobits: yes, a rather bad one at that.

@double D: Obama is NOT a socialist.... the rest seems about right. I could be wrong it could just be he's never held any managment positions at state level and he just doesn't know what the hell he's doing. I swear I thought being a governor or at least mayor was one requirement to being the president."-gendoikari87

Please tell me I didn't just see this......where's the friggin kool-aid.

[gendoikari87]

Originally Posted by Double D

NOT A SOCIALIST? REALLY? Give me a break.

not even a little. Nationalizing healthcare has nothing to do with true socialism. Communism maybe, but real socialists hate communists, but they are a little nomenclature away from being fascists.

[Double D]

So controling the health care system, controling the auto industry (illegally giving unions control) and controling the housing sector, and putting repair shops and used car sales out of business with cash for clunkers, attempting to silence free speech, controlling off shore oil drilling, appointing numerous people to positions that are suppose to be approved first, and having numerous anti american friends and contacts, and should I mention anti christian events and pro muslim events and being attached to soros at the hip while conspireing to take down american currency, well, I guess your right. It doesnt sound at all like a socialist. Oh yea, how about his buddy Yugo Chavez? Oh, I know, that doesnt count either.

[ozo]

Ya, the same Chavez that owns Citgo, Diebold(voting mach),
and called W the devil .........
nor does any of this count....
'nuff said.

[gendoikari87]

Learn what socialism is, The means of production in the hands of the people, when done by the government, controlled by the government it's communism.

Socialists basically, say that we should start by letting the unions democratically control the corporations, which would eventually expand to the surrounding community controlling. All through a democratic process, preferably without government intervention.

COMMUNISM, seeks to enact this by having the GOVERNMENT, control the means of production, because as we all know, the government always works only with the welfare and will of the public in mind. This rapidly devolves into defacto fascism, just like the soviet union, china, and north korea.

[ozo]

gendoikari87, I am very curious why you think about these things in this manner.
I'm serious, and this is not to call you out for anything or any reason. As far as I know
you are an American, believe in the 2nd, and maybe ex-military (by your signature).
Can you expound on this? Like, what shape is the US economy in, the position and stand of Congress and the White House, IRS, unemployment, union involvement in the 21st
century,etc. ? Just the typical things we deal with in the news and in our wallets these days.....I'm curious where your stand is, as a fellow American and my brother in God's eyes. I think we should be pulling together, not pushing each other away, and wish to know more of what you think. Maybe it is a selfish part of me, but I like to know who is around me.

[gendoikari87]

Wow that's a long LONG story to write my friend. if you really want I can PM you. I do have a couple papers I wrote a while back. I'll post them here shortly. I find a hard time in politics. on some issues I'm far left wing, and on others like immigration and gun control i'm really really right wing.

23 and never been in the military, my sig is from a friend who saw action in iraq, and HATED his side arm, I think it was a beretta. but I do intend on going into either military or police service soon if I can't get a job as a weapons designer.

[Double D]

Obama illegally gave the unions control of GM and Chrysler. That is in your words what socialists do. It really doesnt matter to me what the definition of all this is. It is in my opinion a crime against this country and a disgrace to the office of presidency. It is nothing more or less than treason or some other offense that should not go unpunished. Its closer to socialism or communism or just plain anti-americanism than we as a country have ever seen and as a veteran I say that justice should be served. This whole administration should be shackled and chained and they should be forced to appoligize to all of our veterans who have fought to keep this great country free. So, call it what you want, I will call it what I want. DISGRACE. P.S. I am not left wing on ANYTHING. Not even close to center.

[gendoikari87]

So what's wrong with the unions controlling GM and chrysler? Its essentially like saying that a small monarch serf system is better than a democracy when it comes to business. If the unions had controlled GM back in the 1980's Flint wouldn't be a hell hole now.

Edit: also didn't the car companies go broke in 2008 while Bush was still in office?

[Teejay9]

PAtato, patAHto. If he isn't a Socialist, then he's been pretty good at masquerading as one. TJ

[Double D]

Originally Posted by gendoikari87

So what's wrong with the unions controlling GM and chrysler? Its essentially like saying that a small monarch serf system is better than a democracy when it comes to business. If the unions had controlled GM back in the 1980's Flint wouldn't be a hell hole now.

Edit: also didn't the car companies go broke in 2008 while Bush was still in office?

This is where it ends for me my friend. Like banging your head against a brick wall. I have spent years answering questions like these. I will only respond with this and I promise, I will not continue since it is a TOTAL waste of my time and effort. Read my sig below. It Was and still is the unions that have caused the failure of the auto industry.

[Teejay9]

There once was time when the workers had to unite for better wages working condition,etc. Unions, for the most part, have outlived their usefulness. They still carry so much weight, they control several states like California. Who in their right mind would want Barbara Boxer for another 6 years!?! And Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown as governor? TJ

[Double D]

Originally Posted by Teejay9

There once was time when the workers had to unite for better wages working condition,etc. Unions, for the most part, have outlived their usefulness. They still carry so much weight, they control several states like California. Who in their right mind would want Barbara Boxer for another 6 years!?! And Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown as governor? TJ

Unions= Mob

[gendoikari87]

Originally Posted by Double D

Unions= Mob

only corrupted ones, and most aren't that democratic. It's also why you classify oganized crime as enemy combatants and hunt them down like the dogs they are.