Old .22 Rifles

[crooks420]

Thanks John,
Someone had recomended Jack First so I called them: nothing in stock, but something could be made for $100- $150.

I am still looking, but I may end up sending them my parts.... if I dont find anything within a few months.
I picked up a Mossberg model 40 striker assembly, which is very similar to the model 34, but the firing pin is totally different. I am going to try to modify the striker and make the firing pin using off-the-shelf parts from McMaster-Carr. We'll see how that goes. I also need to find an extractor for the Mossberg Model 34.

Jesse

Jesse

[FloridaFialaFan]

Here's something to think about when it comes to these old "boys rifles."

They say condition is everything when it comes to evaluating guns, cars, about anything. Following are a couple of interesting examples in my collection, BUT, from two different schools of thought.

MINT. Appears unfired. spent last 30 years untouched in a gun safe. The father who owned it BEFORE that for a couple of decades or so, was said to have never fired it. A VERY nice little gun to have.



STEVENS LITTLE SCOUT 14 1/2.

USED. However, on the other hand, this next little guy definitely has MUCH more character and interest than that. It makes the Little Scout seem absolutely boring by comparison.



HAMILTON NO. 43 short & long only.

It's obviously been owned by some young chap who loved it. He took his jacknife and "checkered" it, probably to look like his Dad's big rifle. And being a proud hunter, he carved 8 notches in the comb of it to "show off" his hunting prowess.

He even screwed a little eye screw into the front of the forestock to attach a cord so he could hang it around his neck or over his shoulder like a sling. The rear sight is missing, the forestock has a couple of serious cracks, and the sear's so worn out the little guy won't cock. May be that's when he retired it from service.



Just handling this little POS conjures up a host of possible stories, and pictures to your mind. I like it. It's one gun in my collection which will have NO restoration work performed on it. It's got too much class the way it is to spoil it.

Two sides to every coin...

Best regards ~ ~ ~ FFF

[GunHugger]

FloridaFialaFan,

Don't you have a United boys rifle like this one?

[FloridaFialaFan]

Yep! AND, got the Hamilton No. 027 Jap-made clone in original box.



Here's the United ad for the German clone of the Hoban.



Best regards ~ ~ ~ FFF

[FloridaFialaFan]

Which is the Hoban and which is the United?



Best regards ~ ~ ~ FFF

[GunHugger]

I know which is which...

The United that I posted above is your United. I sold it to you.

Good to see you again and hope all is good with you and your wife.

[FloridaFialaFan]

No wonder your gunhugger handle sounded familiar. Here's pic of the pretty little SIERRA Japanese clone. There are two other variations with CA importers' names stamped on them. I hope to someday find one of each.



Best regards ~ ~ ~ FFF

[FloridaFialaFan]

When World War I was brewing, public interest in assembling Boy Scout Troops into mini-military groups, to dress up in uniform and practice drilling with .22rf rifles which looked like miniature Army rifles, quickly became all the rage in the US.

Parents enrolled their young sons into "Military Academies" for their schooling and these too had their uniforms and .22 cal. "drill rifles." Following the Armistice at war's end, Winchester sold off thousands of returning surplus Army issued .22rf "training rifles."

"Military" .22s were a VERY popular Boy Toy for almost two decades with the youthful shooters of early 1900.

Below are pictured some of my boys rifles made to mimic the "military" look so popular with many shooters of the day. This first little "musket" was made by a company in Connecticut formed by Richard Sears to furnish Sears & Roebuck with rifles when Winchester refused to sell to them because they were a discount house.



MERIDEN ARMS CO. .22rf "CADET"

In 1912 Remington entered the market with their .22rf single-shot full-wood rifle, a Model No.4-S they too used the name "CADET." In 1913 three various Boy Scout organizations operating in the US vied with each other to name that years production of the 4-S. Only an estimated 1500 were made.



REMINGTON NO.4-S, "AMERICAN BOY SCOUT" .22rf SHORTS.

From 1914 to 1924 Remington continued to market the 4-S under a new name. It's guesstimated that from 1912 to 1924 a total of 15,000 of these rifles were made.



REMINGTON NO. 4-S, "MILITARY MODEL" .22 S-L-LR.

Below is one of the last training rifles contracted from Winchester for WW I troops. The contract was signed in1918 just one month before the signing of the Armistice!



85 WINCHESTER WINDER LOW-WALL MUSKET, .22 SHORT.

I'm always looking for more...

Best regards ~ ~ ~ FFF

[dragonfly]

Originally Posted by ibtrukn

clays with a .22 sounds like fun. I have a Rem #6 smoothbore (underside of barrel so stamped) should work "at close range"

wood sell it but no giveaway

For real fun, get a box of rat shot, a hot summers day and an over grown field or pasture, and shoot those big old grasshoppers when they take off. More fun than teal with a 20 ga. It is not fair to wait for them to land.

[wiener]

Originally Posted by crooks420

I've tried numrich, Havlin, and Hoosier Gun Works..... no luck.

Jesse

Try Wisners...he re-manufactures some old disc. parts. He makes a firing pin for my old #46 now. I think the 35,45,46 all used the same FP. #35-8
http://www.wisnersinc.com/rifles/mos...oss_start.html

[crooks420]

I checked out the site, nothing for the model 34. I am actually working on using a model 40 striker in the model 34 bolt body, and making a free floating firing pin..... using off the shelf parts from McMaster Carr.
The only other part I need is the extractor.
I will post a report and pics when I get this custom Mossberg 34 bolt done.

Jesse

[FloridaFialaFan]

Here's another "boys' rifle" found in unusually like new condition. Majority of these ended their days sitting in a corner of a leaky old barn or corn crib, waiting to pop a rat, pigeon or other pest annoying the owner.



This is the STEVENS "JUNIOR" NO. 11 rifle in .22rf. The first advertisement for it appeared in the Feb. 1924, Hunter, Trader, Trapper magazine for $4.50. Production ceased in 1932. Pretty nice old piece considering that it's AT LEAST 79 years old!

In Jim Perkins' 1976 book, American Boys' Rifles 1890-1945, the author says the Junior is, "actually a cheaply built version of the Little Scout No. 14 1/2." Coincidentally, I obtained this excellent Junior at almost the same time as the 14 1/2 I posted earlier on this thread.

Both very nice guns and I'm very happy to have them in the collection.

Best regards ~ ~ ~ FFF

[BETH]

How come i can't see pictures

[JohnWS]

Here is a Martini BSA I am actively looking for sights for. There seems to be nothing else missing. I "recovered' this rifle from a family attic cleanup so the price was right. The wood has been abused but I believe it will cleanup nicely. The bore and crown is excellent and the action it is tight and functions well.

[wingspar]

We will be getting a Winchester 1906 slide action and a Stevens Favorite via an inheritance in a couple of months, so I’ll add some photos of them when we get them.

This is probably my least photographed gun, so I snapped a couple of quick shots for this thread. It is a Stevens Model 56C. I don’t know if there is a way to find out the manufacture date, but I’m positive my father bought it brand new sometime in the mid 1940's. I shot thousands of rounds thru it as a kid.

[brnmuenchow]

It took me a little while to figure out what my grandfather gave me (before internet) my first gun was and I still have a Winchester model 67. It is a simple single shot .22cal. rifle. It is still in good shape, and very accurate.

[whirley]

My first rifle was a Winchester model 57, 5 cartridge magazine, chambered for the .22 short cartdidge only. During WW2 .22 short ammunition was scarce, so I thought about rechambering to .22 long rifle. A letter from Winchester informed me that my rifle barrel was designed for accuracy for the .22 short with 1-20 ratio, compared to 1-16 required for the .22 long rifle. Rechambering to LR not recommended. The rifle came equipped with a Lyman 42 peep sight and is deadly on squirrels to about 50 yards. I bought another rifle to solve the ammunition problem. Lots of long rifle ammo available. Thirty cents a box.

[jjmitchell60]

I have several old 22 rifles and just bought a Stevens Marksman No 12 Boys rifle at an auction. It needed 3 parts which are very hard to find parts. Numrich was sold out of all 3 parts. So I looked and looked for the parts to no avail TILL some one clued me in on Jack First Gun Parts. They are newly manufacturing a LOT of the old hard to find obsolete parts for MANY rifles. They actually had all 3 of the parts for my littel Stevens. So if you need a very hard to find obsolete part, give Jack First gun Parts a call. they put out a 3 volume reference catalog which cost a tad over $40 with shipping BUT if into old rifles, it is a must have. To give an idea as to how old a 22s I like, my oldest cartridge 22 is a Winchester 73 in 22 long rifle. I have an original BP muzzle loader 22 parlor gun as well.

[mcleod46]

I have one them Hamilton and son it was my grand father who was born in 1900 its in great shap but when i got it it was all dirty and all i had to do was clean it up and it had spider webs in the barrel and I thought at first it was going to block up but it came out clean. now from what i read he went on the help out in ww1 to build tanks and also the Daisy bb gun, and the show it to Teddy Roosevelt and after he shot it he said , Now aint that a daisy, so thats how they got the name. dont know if that true or not but that's what i read, http://home.comcast.net/~jimringbaue...flesindex.html

[j3hill]

So many of you on here have stories of getting .22 at the age of 12 or younger. Or giving to your own kids at that age. What a dead tradition, thanks to liberalism. I wish the manufactures would bring back the advertising to the kids, I mean besides cricket. It was a great Christmas when a boy got his first .22. I loved the old ads! I remember seeing one with a .22 under a Christmas tree in an old TIME magazine.

[stitus]

Hi, we may have one of these without any wood. I wish I could send you a picture. Is there an email address I can send you a picture on?
stitus

[crooks420]

Originally Posted by stitus

Hi, we may have one of these without any wood. I wish I could send you a picture. Is there an email address I can send you a picture on?
stitus

Which post/rifle are you referring to?

Jesse

[j3hill]

Crooks420 --Have you tried Wendell at outback gun parts...he has everything. Looking for something rare ? ...give him a call. 812-945-0480 I know he bought a bunch of equipment from Winchester, for tooling and what-not. He can manufacture just about anything if he does not have it. It may take him a bit to find the part you need because I think his shed is in a bit of a mess,

[steve666]

Stevens Favorite


Winchester Model 74


Marlin Glenfield Model 60

[crooks420]

I will give Wendell a try.
Right now, i am looking for an extractor for the Mossberg model 34. Other early Mossbergs (models 35 and down) will use the same extractor... if anyone can help.

Jesse