GCN: Gun Control Now

[johnlives4christ]

you're asleep. three men pick the lock and break in to your house. just you and your daughter are there. no guns. the criminals have tire irons and crow bars. they take you and your daughter captive. you were going to run away but because they grabbed your daughter first you tried to fight them. after they rape your daughter in front of you, they rape you... then they beat you both unconscience before going through your house for valuables.

if you had a gun close at hand the story would have been. 3 men pick the lock and break into your house... when you see the intruders you notice they have tire irons and crow bars. you point the gun at them and threaten to shoot if they dont leave. they continue towards you so you fire and hit one of them. the others run leaving their comrade hobbling behind. you and your daughter are no longer in danger and call the cops. the cops dont arrest you as you were defending your rights. you right not to be raped, attacked or stolen from.

maybe people can argue gun control many ways. but for this sums it up. a gun is a tool that brings its user, no matter how weak or strong, young or old, onto an equal playing field.

i am 6'5 and 330 pounds. i can defend myself, and most likely could defend myself and my 5'2 110 pound wife as well without firearms. but my wife could not defend herself against someone my size. i can run faster then her, even though im fat. if she was to be faced defending herself against an attacker my size, and i wasn't around, she would be defenseless without a gun.

guns are the great equalizer. they make the playing field level between all ages and sizes and strengths of people. bats and clubs and swords dont do that. neither does the cops.

[MrsTeresa]

Go find a gay knitting forum to promote your stupid agenda...

I'm expected to give respect to these types of responses? You're telling me to tone down and respect you without doing the same to me.

Typical, flamboyant, redneck gun owners.

Why not restrict self defense to hand to hand? Darwin's theory people..

Guns- human invention of the weak.
Gun control laws- a balance to the false power.

[rentalguy1]

Originally Posted by MrsTeresa

Why not restrict self defense to hand to hand? Darwin's theory people..

Yes! That's it! I'm all for it...just as soon as you can gaurantee me that all of the criminal types out there will follow the same restrictions. Oh, ya, almost forgot, I'm a partially paralyzed veteran, so could you possibly regulate that the bad guys may only use one leg when they attack me?


You are a complete IDIOT! If I ever find myself in the same room with someone of your ilk, I will personally slap some sense into you. The true sadness in all of this is that our nation's laws permit people like you to live.

[ozo]

Ya, DD
They don't deserve respect. It must be earned.
Sarcasm...."all DUE respect".

[johnlives4christ]

Originally Posted by MrsTeresa

Why not restrict self defense to hand to hand? Darwin's theory people..

Guns- human invention of the weak.
Gun control laws- a balance to the false power.

the reason we dont restrict self defense to hand to hand combat is because no everyone fights fair. maybe you and i would fight hand to hand fairly, but there is always someone that will pull a knife out of their boot, or have a friend grab you and hold you as he pounds on you

guns were not invented by the weak. they were invented as a supplement to archers and then were refined into a form that then was seen more suitable for war then the bow and arrow. in general it's been mostly armies that have owned guns throughout the ages... and when that army came through your town, you had to give up your food and give them a place to stay... sometimes you also had to give up your daughters virginity too. you knew if you complained they would shoot you, hang you, rape and beat you or cut off your head.

guns give you a balance between honest people looking to be safe, and those that wish to take what others have. they give balance between the righteous and the power hungry who would do anything to obtain power.


it is true, that if there was no guns, then no one would be shot, but it's also true to say that if there was no guns, then knife and club deaths would sky rocket. it's not the instrument that criminals use that causes them to do harm... it's their ill will towards others. anyone with a piece of metal and a grinder can make a knife... anyone with a metal tube could make a makeshift gun. so banning knives or guns wouldnt stop criminals from making a crude form of one of the other.


from reading what you've had to say i will say though that you're obviously not willing to see our point of view as gun owners. you've already got your mind made up and are unwilling to listen or hear the other side. thats the problem with people like you... that no matter what you're shown or told or what the facts are, you do not want to believe something so you make yourself blind and deaf. if you were to do some research you would find that most studies find that the less gun laws a city/country has the less crime it has. not my opinion either.. but the findings of many anti gun groups. i believe the brady center even admitted that the brady bill didnt do any good while it was in affect. anyways my point is that if you would address the issue with a willingness to see the other side then we would also do the same. but when you come on a gun forum with an attitude and dont get results, its not because we're wrong or rednecks, its because we dont like being attacked by someone that is unwilling to have a discussion instead of a lecture

[ozo]

MrsTeresa,
Darlin', you are the ignorant one here.
You dove right into known shark-infested water
smelling like caviar and blood.....now you complain??
Go get your leader, come back with some coherent help please.

[AL MOUNT]

Originally Posted by MrsTeresa

Typical, flamboyant, redneck gun owners..

Just add the word American.... and I can live with that....


I found it for you....
he'll even help you spin, go pull the wool over his eyes..

http://queerjoe.blogspot.com/

Fifty-something gay man, in a committed relationship since 1983
who loves knitting way more than he should.
Continuing to explore spinning wool as my latest obsession.

[Awtoman]

Originally Posted by MrsTeresa

I'm expected to give respect to these types of responses? You're telling me to tone down and respect you without doing the same to me.

Typical, flamboyant, redneck gun owners.

With all due respect MrsTeresa,
You came here and started the debate with thinly disguised, but obvious, and intentional insults. What did you expect to get in return?
Did you come here seeking an honest and open debate?
Or did you come here merely to attack us, so that when you received retaliation to YOUR insults, you could stand there and and say "See, I knew they were a bunch of so-and-so gun owners?"

I suspect you found what you came for.
I am a study of Human interaction/communication. It is very rare for people not to respond defensively and offensively when they are attacked, which is what you did when you came here.

If you truly seek an honest exchange of ideas, an apology would be in order. Then you could get honest answers to your questions.
You fired the first shot so to speak.

I am trying very hard to give you the benefit of doubt, maybe you just don't communicate your intentions well. It is a common problem that many people have that leads to more trouble and misunderstanding, than our real differences cause.

If you came here only for a fight, then I've merely wasted my time and yours. If that is the case, just leave. You don't need to carry around all the anger that boils up in you from thinking about these things, and trading insults with us.

Tom

[ozo]

Gonna get me one of these for my latest GSG 1911 since it has been so cold this season.

http://queerjoe.com/patterns/Willie_Warmer_Pattern.htm

Hope I can find one online, otherwise I will probably have to wait until the
May Men's Knitting Festival this spring.
Thanx for the link Al Mount. As usual, you are full of help.

[gendoikari87]

Why not restrict self defense to hand to hand? Darwin's theory people..

Yeah you do that, and when criminals come for you in your home with illegal weapons i'm going to laugh because you deserve whats coming to you.

Honestly I hope you gun control nuts get your wish and every gun is banned and outlawed because within six months you will be crying foul once the gangs take over the streets and the military has to be sent in to enforce order, all the while causing hundreads of thousands of civilian deaths, and in the aftermath we will be free of the gun control nuts, either by death at the hands of the drug cartels, or by a change of mind that comes with seeing first hand what happens when you outlaw the only means of a proper defense against the most vile individuals in society.

Criminals don't fight fair, and usually shoot first. and if they get killed in the act of their crimes, oh well it just means they can't go on to harm another innocent.

[ozo]

MrsTeresa,
I hope you stay around this wonderful forum and see how
diverse we really are.
Shoot, we have tips on cleaning, cooking, knitting, etc. ,
and so much more.
Let me be the first to say Welcome noob MrsTeresa.

[ofitg]

Originally Posted by MrsTeresa

Typical, flamboyant, redneck gun owners.

I see that the funny female made another appearance.

You know, Mrs T, people on this forum might be older than you, more intelligent than you, better educated than you, and more widely traveled than you.

[graehaven]

I hope you all realize that this person is NOT legitimate in her complaints, nor reasoned.

Her sole purpose here is to stir up trouble.

She (if it even is a she) isn't looking for debate - she's looking to stir up angry responses.

I encourage all to ignore.

Hopefully the moderator will silence her as well, and good riddance.

[TheGunClinger]

I am thinking that without guns, MrsTeresa would not have her constitutional right of free speech. It was with guns that her rights were protected. It was the veterans of the military that she should be thanking. It was their sacrifices that enabled her to come on this forum and speak like a fool. It is guns that will also protect our 2nd ammendment rights . I thank all of the veterans on this forum for their service. Just my 2 cents.

[ofitg]

Originally Posted by graehaven

I encourage all to ignore.

But I enjoy watching her flop around with her mental spasms...... it's a boring day here

If she was an animal I'd feel sorry for her.

[armedandsafe]

This thread is a very good example of the type of forum we have tried to build here. One troll comes in and tries to start a fight, to prove that we are all incapable of controlling ourselves and we respond (mostly) in a calm, thoughtful manner. It is that respect for others that I have learned to expect from gun owners.

Gentlemen, I am proud of you. I'm going to let this one continue, so long as the members remain civil. I don't expect to have to take any action, because that is the way we are. Armed and polite.

Pops

[Wags]

Originally Posted by MrsTeresa

The government has the power to do as it wishes. If guns were to be banned, they would take care of them. Remove them from civilian circulation and I guarantee the crime would be reduced by AT THE LEAST, 50%

Are you stating that the government will take care of and protect the people? In the city of Chicago, the gun control mecca it is, even the police are being shot and killed by criminals. The convicted criminals routinely violate their conditions of probation/parole and the government does NOTHING to them.

There is a recent case here where a convicted multipule sex offender(he is listed as a sexual preadator) violated his parole, the government did nothing, and this criminal broke into a home and raped a teen and her mother. The convict was not allowed to have a computer as a term of his parole, yet he "met" this teen online. He is alleged to have violated his parole at least 40 TIMES! Yet the government who is to protect us(according to those on the left) FAILED MISERABLY!!


Is this how the government is supposed to take care of us? This happened in Chicago, where they still have very strict gun control measures on the books(very few, if any, handgun ownership permits have been issued so far).

[army mp]

Mrs. T Before you come into a pro-gun form and start spewing your beliefs as Scientific fact, might I suggest you read up on the subject of gun control, A very good place to start would be, John R Lott’s book More Guns /Less crime. As you like to reference Charles Darwin, below is another quote by him.

False facts are highly injurious to the progress of science, for they often endure long; but false views, if supported by some evidence, do little harm, for every one takes a salutary pleasure in proving their falseness.
Charles Darwin

[Awtoman]

Originally Posted by armedandsafe

This thread is a very good example of the type of forum we have tried to build here. One troll comes in and tries to start a fight, to prove that we are all incapable of controlling ourselves and we respond (mostly) in a calm, thoughtful manner. It is that respect for others that I have learned to expect from gun owners.

Gentlemen, I am proud of you. I'm going to let this one continue, so long as the members remain civil. I don't expect to have to take any action, because that is the way we are. Armed and polite.

Pops

Actually, as a new member with no real say about the goings on around here, I thought as a whole we didn't do ourselves any good.

1st possibility: She came here looking for answers to something she does not understand, probably due to her upbringing/life experiences. She has strong convictions and doesn't know how to communicate her thoughts without interjecting emotion into her words, and so she came across as demeaning and accusatory. By defending ourselves from her accusations/insults we merely helped to confirmed her predisposition against gun owners. Yes, she started it, and maybe deserved worse than she received here. But we didn't win any victory. We only reaffirmed her incorrect understanding of guns and gun owners.

2nd possibilty: (More likely) She came purposely looking for a fight simply to hurl insults, stir up trouble, and reaffirm her beliefs. And even though our response was fairly mild, we gave her what she wanted, which was to reaffirm to herself that we are all ignorant redneck gun owners.
But I think we could have either informed her better if that's what she was looking for, or spoiled her plans for a fight, if we had not given one back.
That would have really pissed her off.

Bottom line is, we can't change most peoples mind who have no interest in seeking knowledge for the purpose of making a more informed decision.

She probably is a d*** liberal c***


Ultimately, people can call me what they want, or think what they want about me, and I am not offended because I know the truth, and how I live my life.
As gun owners, we don't need to defend ourselves against false accusations from someone like that. As CCW holders, we are held to a higher standard than that lady can comprehend, and we should try to uphold that standard in our discussions with people who don't understand. It is the only way to have a chance at convincing them, or to win the fight if that's what they want.

Now back to your regular broadcast

Tom

[Haligan]

I think we should be smart and stop feeding the troll.

[Crpdeth]

Originally Posted by Haligan

I think we should be smart and stop feeding the troll.

Why? Is it going to BITE ME!


Crpdeth

[MrsTeresa]

I cant wait for someone to break into my home, I day dream about it constantly, sometimes turning all the lights out and sitting in the dark cradling my double barrel shotgun with the doors unlocked.. GOD! How much fun would it be to unleash both of those beautiful barrels at the same time, right in someone's face, blowing cherry pie all over the wall. RAWR!!!!

You couldn't prove my point any better.

You think taking life is a joke?!

God save you.

[ozo]

As I don't believe we will change MrsT's thought pattern anytime soon, I do believe that this is a vital thread to have in this forum for any/all future persons to find themselves stumbling upon, and see what we are truly made of.
Many of us have offered our life to protect the rights of even the MrsTeresa's, many have already paid.
Pops, you said a lot in your post. I agree with you.

[al45lc]

Originally Posted by MrsTeresa

Rights? I have a RIGHT to be safe, and thats not something that happens with people such as yourselves toting the heat..

In point of fact, you do not. You have a right to defend yourself, but there is NO Constitutional right that gaurantees your safety. There NEVER has been, which is THE VERY REASON FOR THE SECOND AMENDMENT!
Your emotional, unreasonable, illogical and very poorly schooled in your rights and the Constitution. The people on this forum are the very LAST ones that you need to be concerned about, crooks and killers don't come here, and one day one of these very people you berate may well use a gun to stop a violent attack against you.
You wanna be safe? Buy a gun, learn to use it, and stand on your own two feet, instead of hiding behind the foolish and idealistic notion that you have a right to be safe, and that a Govt should secure that right for you.
Our Founding Fathers would be ashamed of you.
You know, those brave men who pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor for YOUR rights?
And Madam, I'll bet I'm far better read than you are on these matters!

[Double D]

Troll. Nothing more.