Remington 1858 Question - The Firearms Forum

mikeb1 · 01-21-2011, 06:18 AM

Was planning on heading out this weekend and shoot my new Remington 1858. I was planning on starting with 20 grains of Triple 7 , .457 lead balls topped with some crisco. My main concern is knowing if the lead ball is pushed up against the powder sufficiently. I don't plan on using any fillers and have not been able to find any wads. Just want to get some opinions.

Thanks

300 H&H · 01-21-2011, 07:08 AM

Mikeb1,

When you pull the loading lever down to seat the ball, you should be able to feel the ball come up against the powder, Then stop. I don't think this will be a problem at all with as much powder as you are burning...

Hope this helps, Kirk

rdstrain49 · 01-21-2011, 09:55 PM

The Remington clones typically use a .451 or .454 ball, the .457 is typically used in the Ruger Old Army.

Go make smoke and have fun.

mikeb1 · 01-22-2011, 12:09 AM

Do you think the .457 lead ball will cause a problem with the Remington ?

Pustic · 01-22-2011, 01:19 AM

It won't hurt the gun as long as you can seat the .457 ball properly. When you seat a ball, a small amount of lead should shave off, and it will size the ball to fit. If the larger ball won't seat, then use the .451 or the .454.

imray · 01-22-2011, 08:12 PM

the oversize ball will shear off a small ring of lead when you seat the ball, and as mentioned you will feel the ball seat. I use a little secret when I shoot my BP revolvers. I put in the powder then I put in 15 to 30 grains of cornmeal on top of the powder then seat the ball on top of the cornmeal, don;t have to grease the end of the cyl. and shooting is as safe as can be as long as you use the correct size cap, to prevent any trouble on that end of the cylinder. I can't afford the patches at .25 cents a peace. But $1 dollar cornmeal and iI can shoot many days, best wishes and have fun, don't allow any smoking around any black powder or substitute, and no drinking as guns and alcohol together is a felony. federal offense, best wishes, ray

mikeb1 · 01-22-2011, 11:53 PM

Thanks for the advice guys ! I'll let you know how everything went after I get back from the Range.

Mikeb1

tyc · 01-26-2011, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 300 H&H

Mikeb1,

When you pull the loading lever down to seat the ball, you should be able to feel the ball come up against the powder, Then stop. I don't think this will be a problem at all with as much powder as you are burning...

Hope this helps, Kirk

I'm waiting for my .44 Remington to come in and never having had a BP pistol before, I thought I'd ask, what happens if you push the ball too hard against the powder load? It's that "feel the ball come up against the powder" you mentioned that has me curious. I'm thinking of the feel of the ball "shaving" itself, as it sizes itself into the chamber when being loaded, then my properly seating it against the powder.

tyc

ofitg · 01-27-2011, 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyc

I'm waiting for my .44 Remington to come in and never having had a BP pistol before, I thought I'd ask, what happens if you push the ball too hard against the powder load? It's that "feel the ball come up against the powder" you mentioned that has me curious. I'm thinking of the feel of the ball "shaving" itself, as it sizes itself into the chamber when being loaded, then my properly seating it against the powder.

tyc

When you press the ball into the chamber, you will see it move, and you will see the ring of lead at the chamber's mouth.

Keep pressing, and you will feel the ball "crunch" against the powder. Don't worry, you cannot compress the powder too much.

After you do it a couple of times, you will never worry about it again. It's the Zen of percussion revolvers. You just have to experience it.

johnlives4christ · 01-27-2011, 03:13 AM

you shouldnt need wads or grease to prevent chain fire if you're shaving lead when loading.

tyc · 01-27-2011, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ofitg

When you press the ball into the chamber, you will see it move, and you will see the ring of lead at the chamber's mouth.

Keep pressing, and you will feel the ball "crunch" against the powder. Don't worry, you cannot compress the powder too much.

After you do it a couple of times, you will never worry about it again. It's the Zen of percussion revolvers. You just have to experience it.

I think I understand ... just waiting for that Uberti to come in ... and Spring!

Thanks for getting back. :-)

tyc

mikeb1 · 01-28-2011, 04:54 AM

Finally able to get to the range today. Everything worked great. Did have trouble with #11 caps they kept falling off. Luckily I also brought along some Remington #10 caps, they worked great no misfires. I kept it simple 20-25 grains of Triple7 seated the lead ball (.457) left a nice lead ring when I pushed it in. Sometimes I put some crisco on top other times left it dry. Did not think I really needed it everytime I shot. Can't wait to get back out there !!!

mikeb1

01-21-2011, 07:08 AM	#2
300 H&H Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,796	Re: Remington 1858 Question Mikeb1, When you pull the loading lever down to seat the ball, you should be able to feel the ball come up against the powder, Then stop. I don't think this will be a problem at all with as much powder as you are burning... Hope this helps, Kirk

01-21-2011, 09:55 PM	#3
rdstrain49 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 44	Re: Remington 1858 Question The Remington clones typically use a .451 or .454 ball, the .457 is typically used in the Ruger Old Army. Go make smoke and have fun.

01-22-2011, 12:09 AM	#4
mikeb1 Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 5	Re: Remington 1858 Question Do you think the .457 lead ball will cause a problem with the Remington ?

01-22-2011, 01:19 AM	#5
Pustic V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Western Kentucky Posts: 149	Re: Remington 1858 Question It won't hurt the gun as long as you can seat the .457 ball properly. When you seat a ball, a small amount of lead should shave off, and it will size the ball to fit. If the larger ball won't seat, then use the .451 or the .454. __________________ No matter what they say or do, I will never surrender my guns. Am I paranoid? Nope, I'm heavily armed. Last edited by Pustic; 01-22-2011 at 01:22 AM..

01-22-2011, 08:12 PM	#6
imray Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 12	Re: Remington 1858 Question the oversize ball will shear off a small ring of lead when you seat the ball, and as mentioned you will feel the ball seat. I use a little secret when I shoot my BP revolvers. I put in the powder then I put in 15 to 30 grains of cornmeal on top of the powder then seat the ball on top of the cornmeal, don;t have to grease the end of the cyl. and shooting is as safe as can be as long as you use the correct size cap, to prevent any trouble on that end of the cylinder. I can't afford the patches at .25 cents a peace. But $1 dollar cornmeal and iI can shoot many days, best wishes and have fun, don't allow any smoking around any black powder or substitute, and no drinking as guns and alcohol together is a felony. federal offense, best wishes, ray

01-21-2011, 06:18 AM	#1
mikeb1 Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 5	Remington 1858 Question Was planning on heading out this weekend and shoot my new Remington 1858. I was planning on starting with 20 grains of Triple 7 , .457 lead balls topped with some crisco. My main concern is knowing if the lead ball is pushed up against the powder sufficiently. I don't plan on using any fillers and have not been able to find any wads. Just want to get some opinions. Thanks -->

01-22-2011, 11:53 PM	#7
mikeb1 Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 5	Re: Remington 1858 Question Thanks for the advice guys ! I'll let you know how everything went after I get back from the Range. Mikeb1

01-27-2011, 03:13 AM	#10
johnlives4christ Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,828	Re: Remington 1858 Question you shouldnt need wads or grease to prevent chain fire if you're shaving lead when loading.

01-28-2011, 04:54 AM	#12
mikeb1 Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 5	Re: Remington 1858 Question Finally able to get to the range today. Everything worked great. Did have trouble with #11 caps they kept falling off. Luckily I also brought along some Remington #10 caps, they worked great no misfires. I kept it simple 20-25 grains of Triple7 seated the lead ball (.457) left a nice lead ring when I pushed it in. Sometimes I put some crisco on top other times left it dry. Did not think I really needed it everytime I shot. Can't wait to get back out there !!! mikeb1