Please help me ID this Black powder rifle - The Firearms Forum

tcfootball · 07-20-2010, 11:57 PM

I cannot seem to find the model of this black powder rifle. I do know it is a Navy Arms Co. .45 cal with a rifled octagonal barrel. A friend said he thought it was a model made for Cabelas. Here are some pics.

EDIT: Ramrod is fiberglass, so I think it isn't too old.

Thanks in advance. Mike

tcfootball · 07-21-2010, 12:41 AM

*Moderator* if I have this miscategorized, please move for me. Thanks, Mike

ofitg · 07-21-2010, 01:43 AM

I think that was called the "Morse" rifle.

tcfootball · 07-21-2010, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ofitg

I think that was called the "Morse" rifle.

Thank you! I will try to find more info on it now.

tcfootball · 07-21-2010, 02:16 AM

Only extra info found is that it is a replica. of what I do not know yet and it has a twist of 1 in 60. Any addition info would be helpful. I would like to find a user manual or exploded view if any one has one. Thanks again

Big Shrek · 07-21-2010, 10:51 AM

Yours looks like the Navy Arms Morse I saw on Auction Arms recently...

Don't confuse it with the Morse Carbine...different animal altogether.
Morse Carbine looks like this...and was a cartridge-firing carbine.

tcfootball · 07-21-2010, 04:01 PM

So I assume these are fairly rare because I cannot find much info on them, but also not very valuable. I am planning on cleaning it up and using it. Now I just need to read up on how to use and care for black powdered rifles. I bought this from the neighbor kid for $20. Seemed like a good deal

ofitg · 07-21-2010, 04:55 PM

Evidently this was a model which Navy Arms sold many years ago - I cannot find much info either.

Yes, you got a great deal! Have fun with it! I would recommend the Lyman Blackpowder Handbook, it covers all the basics and then some.

JLA · 07-21-2010, 06:12 PM

shoot patched round balls. the slow twist wont stabilize the modern conicals and saboted bullets...

tcfootball · 07-21-2010, 10:25 PM

thanks for the replies everyone! I have a lot to learn about black powder. My experience is with military rifle and machine guns.

John W. · 01-30-2011, 12:16 AM

A little late in coming but I just found this forum . I have a Morse 50 myself. I've had it for about 10-12 years. I got it as a gift. If you haven't found out anything about it yet go to this page and print it. http://www.navyarms.com/files/morse.pdf I'm trying to find if it's worth anything too. If you've found anything could you let me know? It's a great shooter. I've been using 90 grains of 2f but after reading the loads used in the .45 maybe I'm overloading it. Regardless , mine shoot's the best with that load and patched round. Sounds like a cannon though. Looking forward to hearing from you.

John W. · 01-30-2011, 12:19 AM

http://www.navyarms.com/index.html This is Navy Arms home page BTW

tcfootball · 01-30-2011, 12:32 AM

John thanks for the link. I haven't had time to mess with the rifle in quite a while. I am looking forward to firing it soon!

07-20-2010, 11:57 PM	#1
tcfootball Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Beatrice, NE Posts: 9	Please help me ID this Black powder rifle I cannot seem to find the model of this black powder rifle. I do know it is a Navy Arms Co. .45 cal with a rifled octagonal barrel. A friend said he thought it was a model made for Cabelas. Here are some pics. EDIT: Ramrod is fiberglass, so I think it isn't too old. Thanks in advance. Mike --> Last edited by tcfootball; 07-21-2010 at 12:50 AM..

07-21-2010, 12:41 AM	#2
tcfootball Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Beatrice, NE Posts: 9	Re: Please help me ID this Black powder rifle Moderator if I have this miscategorized, please move for me. Thanks, Mike

07-21-2010, 01:43 AM	#3
ofitg Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Contributor Posts: 1,447	Re: Please help me ID this Black powder rifle I think that was called the "Morse" rifle.

07-21-2010, 02:16 AM	#5
tcfootball Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Beatrice, NE Posts: 9	Re: Please help me ID this Black powder rifle Only extra info found is that it is a replica. of what I do not know yet and it has a twist of 1 in 60. Any addition info would be helpful. I would like to find a user manual or exploded view if any one has one. Thanks again __________________ Mike US ARMY VETERAN OIF & OEF

07-21-2010, 10:51 AM	#6
Big Shrek Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: NorthWest Florida Posts: 923	Re: Please help me ID this Black powder rifle Yours looks like the Navy Arms Morse I saw on Auction Arms recently... Don't confuse it with the Morse Carbine...different animal altogether. Morse Carbine looks like this...and was a cartridge-firing carbine. __________________ Marlin Specialist Calico Specialist A gun should be a tool in the hands of a deadly weapon, not a deadly weapon in the hands of a tool.

07-21-2010, 04:01 PM	#7
tcfootball Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Beatrice, NE Posts: 9	Re: Please help me ID this Black powder rifle So I assume these are fairly rare because I cannot find much info on them, but also not very valuable. I am planning on cleaning it up and using it. Now I just need to read up on how to use and care for black powdered rifles. I bought this from the neighbor kid for $20. Seemed like a good deal __________________ Mike US ARMY VETERAN OIF & OEF

07-21-2010, 04:55 PM	#8
ofitg Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Contributor Posts: 1,447	Re: Please help me ID this Black powder rifle Evidently this was a model which Navy Arms sold many years ago - I cannot find much info either. Yes, you got a great deal! Have fun with it! I would recommend the Lyman Blackpowder Handbook, it covers all the basics and then some.

07-21-2010, 06:12 PM	#9
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,308	Re: Please help me ID this Black powder rifle shoot patched round balls. the slow twist wont stabilize the modern conicals and saboted bullets... __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

07-21-2010, 10:25 PM	#10
tcfootball Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Beatrice, NE Posts: 9	Re: Please help me ID this Black powder rifle thanks for the replies everyone! I have a lot to learn about black powder. My experience is with military rifle and machine guns. __________________ Mike US ARMY VETERAN OIF & OEF

01-30-2011, 12:16 AM	#11
John W. Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 7	Re: Please help me ID this Black powder rifle A little late in coming but I just found this forum . I have a Morse 50 myself. I've had it for about 10-12 years. I got it as a gift. If you haven't found out anything about it yet go to this page and print it. http://www.navyarms.com/files/morse.pdf I'm trying to find if it's worth anything too. If you've found anything could you let me know? It's a great shooter. I've been using 90 grains of 2f but after reading the loads used in the .45 maybe I'm overloading it. Regardless , mine shoot's the best with that load and patched round. Sounds like a cannon though. Looking forward to hearing from you.

01-30-2011, 12:19 AM	#12
John W. Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 7	Re: Please help me ID this Black powder rifle http://www.navyarms.com/index.html This is Navy Arms home page BTW

01-30-2011, 12:32 AM	#13
tcfootball Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Beatrice, NE Posts: 9	Re: Please help me ID this Black powder rifle John thanks for the link. I haven't had time to mess with the rifle in quite a while. I am looking forward to firing it soon! __________________ Mike US ARMY VETERAN OIF & OEF