C and R

thomasray · 02-13-2011, 08:21 PM

Hello from the lower 40. I need your opines on getting a C and R lis. for personal use. Not to deal but to get a few old relics to shoot and enjoy. I tire of paying sales tax, FFL agent fees and shipping that kills a lot of interest in the hobby. Glad for your in puts. BR.

johnlives4christ · 02-13-2011, 09:29 PM

i am not very up to date on the subject but im thinking that the c&r will only eliminate the ffl fees. they dont charge tax out of state and you'll still pay shipping with a license.

it depends on how many you're going to get and all but for me, i dont think it'd be worth it. with a license wouldnt you have to keep records and such? and stop being just a normal consumer. you're then obligated to the government to do it a certain way right?

OcelotZ3 · 02-13-2011, 11:19 PM

The C&R eliminates the fees and rifles & handguns can ship straight to your house. You don't "save" on shipping fees nor sales tax, unless you pick the item up in person...

Are you thinking of driving into Oregon & buying C&R's there with the license & transporting back to Washington?

Jim Hauff · 02-14-2011, 10:01 AM

C&R license helped me "improve" my H&R collection immensely. I purchased over 200 firearms classified as C&R over the inter-net auction sites - all were delivered directly to my address. You will be required to keep a "bound book", in which you will log all acquisitions and dispositions - just like a dealer must keep. C&R license is good for 5 years and costs about $30. It allows you to buy and sell (within limits) C&R certified firearms with the aim of improving your collection - not being in the business of buying and selling for profit.

gandog56 · 02-14-2011, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by johnlives4christ

i dont think it'd be worth it. with a license wouldnt you have to keep records and such? and stop being just a normal consumer. you're then obligated to the government to do it a certain way right?

Well, the very first time I used it I saved 27 bucks on a transfer fee, so it was almost worth it the very first time I used it.

I have now saved a total of $378 in transfer fees alone. Not to mention getting C&R license holder discounts on parts and reloading supplies from Graf and Sons, Midway, and Numrich. All that for just having to write down a little information on each gun in a book?

I'll take it!

OcelotZ3 · 02-14-2011, 11:42 PM

I didn't point out that I've had one for less than a year and I've saved $55 in transfer fees so far.

It's also pretty neat to have a box show up at your door with a new (to you) gun in it...

johnlives4christ · 02-14-2011, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by gandog56

Well, the very first time I used it I saved 27 bucks on a transfer fee, so it was almost worth it the very first time I used it.

I have now saved a total of $378 in transfer fees alone. Not to mention getting C&R license holder discounts on parts and reloading supplies from Graf and Sons, Midway, and Numrich. All that for just having to write down a little information on each gun in a book?

I'll take it!

what about... if you lose the book?

also do you have to keep records on any guns other then ones you buy with your c&r? like guns you had previously or maybe swap from a friend under the table.

do you have to report it to the atf?

gdmoody · 02-15-2011, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by johnlives4christ

what about... if you lose the book?

also do you have to keep records on any guns other then ones you buy with your c&r? like guns you had previously or maybe swap from a friend under the table.

do you have to report it to the atf?

John, I guess is it possible to lose the book but one could lose anything, I keep mine in the top portion of my dresser, the only way I will lose it is if the house burns down. If that happens the guns will probably be gone too. Just keep a copy of the "police or fire department or insurance report" just in case.

I have heard that you have to put any "old" gun that you already own into the bound book. I have heard that if buy one face to face from someone even without using the C&R, you have to put in in the bound book. I DISAGREE WITH THOSE WHO SAY THESE THINGS. I searched the entire C&R law and did not find anything that says this.

Do you have to report it to the AFT? In a word - NO.

I think it is well worth the $30 it costs to get one. I have had my C&R for nine years (original and two renewals) and unless something has changed since 11 June 2008, they are only good for three years, not five.

johnlives4christ · 02-15-2011, 12:04 AM

aight. well that clears up some of the hype i've heard

jmace57 · 02-15-2011, 07:28 PM

In case you are interested, I applied for my C&R on January 18th, 2011 and it was in my mailbox on February 12th. Those 3 1/2 weeks felt like forever though. In addition to the monetary savings, just avoiding the HASSLE of having to go to the dealer is worth it to me.

Zane71464 · 02-16-2011, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Hauff

C&R license helped me "improve" my H&R collection immensely. I purchased over 200 firearms classified as C&R over the inter-net auction sites - all were delivered directly to my address. You will be required to keep a "bound book", in which you will log all acquisitions and dispositions - just like a dealer must keep. C&R license is good for 5 years and costs about $30. It allows you to buy and sell (within limits) C&R certified firearms with the aim of improving your collection - not being in the business of buying and selling for profit.

That's very good information and good to know.
I thank jmace57 for the OT.

johnlives4christ · 02-16-2011, 06:50 AM

what happens to the "book" lets say.. if you let your c&r expire?

deadin · 02-16-2011, 09:46 AM

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what happens to the "book" lets say.. if you let your c&r expire?

You used to have to turn it in, but now you can do whatever you want with it. (Burn it, shred it, keep it for old times sake, etc.) (They changed the requirements.)

Jim Hauff · 02-16-2011, 09:50 AM

THREE (3) years it is! Not 5 as I originally posted.
You hang on to your book, even if you let your C&R expire. Chance of being "audited" by ATF agents approaches ZERO. Guns owned before acquiring license do not go into book; guns (modern) that are acquired without using license do not go into book. Any time you hand a copy of your license to another person in exchange for a C&R firearm - that person's information (name, address, license number, etc.) is entered ALONG with information describing that firearm. IF you lose your book - you are a klutz.

thomasray · 02-16-2011, 10:49 AM

OK.All good and appreciated input. What if you croak? Does Junior get your CR booked guns? And the book goes away?

deadin · 02-16-2011, 12:03 PM

Jim,

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guns (modern) that are acquired without using license do not go into book.

Just to clear up which side of the disagreement on what goes into the book you are on, what are you calling "modern"?

Less than 50 years old (non-C&R) or post 1898 (non-antique)?

Jim Hauff · 02-16-2011, 03:44 PM

NON-C&R

deadin · 02-16-2011, 05:33 PM

Thank you! (You think the same way I do.)
Besides, you can't acquire a modern, non-C&R on your FFL03 in the first place.

02-13-2011, 08:21 PM	#1
thomasray V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Columbia River Posts: 79	C and R Hello from the lower 40. I need your opines on getting a C and R lis. for personal use. Not to deal but to get a few old relics to shoot and enjoy. I tire of paying sales tax, FFL agent fees and shipping that kills a lot of interest in the hobby. Glad for your in puts. BR. __________________ a farting horse will never tire and a farting man is the one to hire. -->

02-13-2011, 09:29 PM	#2
johnlives4christ Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,828	Re: C and R i am not very up to date on the subject but im thinking that the c&r will only eliminate the ffl fees. they dont charge tax out of state and you'll still pay shipping with a license. it depends on how many you're going to get and all but for me, i dont think it'd be worth it. with a license wouldnt you have to keep records and such? and stop being just a normal consumer. you're then obligated to the government to do it a certain way right?

02-13-2011, 11:19 PM	#3
OcelotZ3 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 73	Re: C and R The C&R eliminates the fees and rifles & handguns can ship straight to your house. You don't "save" on shipping fees nor sales tax, unless you pick the item up in person... Are you thinking of driving into Oregon & buying C&R's there with the license & transporting back to Washington?

02-14-2011, 10:01 AM	#4
Jim Hauff Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 2,980	Re: C and R C&R license helped me "improve" my H&R collection immensely. I purchased over 200 firearms classified as C&R over the inter-net auction sites - all were delivered directly to my address. You will be required to keep a "bound book", in which you will log all acquisitions and dispositions - just like a dealer must keep. C&R license is good for 5 years and costs about $30. It allows you to buy and sell (within limits) C&R certified firearms with the aim of improving your collection - not being in the business of buying and selling for profit. __________________ Jim Hauff ~ H&R Collector In Memory of Bill Goforth and Jim Ritchie

02-14-2011, 11:42 PM	#6
OcelotZ3 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 73	Re: C and R I didn't point out that I've had one for less than a year and I've saved $55 in transfer fees so far. It's also pretty neat to have a box show up at your door with a new (to you) gun in it...

02-15-2011, 12:04 AM	#9
johnlives4christ Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,828	Re: C and R aight. well that clears up some of the hype i've heard

02-15-2011, 07:28 PM	#10
jmace57 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 119	Re: C and R In case you are interested, I applied for my C&R on January 18th, 2011 and it was in my mailbox on February 12th. Those 3 1/2 weeks felt like forever though. In addition to the monetary savings, just avoiding the HASSLE of having to go to the dealer is worth it to me.

02-16-2011, 06:50 AM	#12
johnlives4christ Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,828	Re: C and R what happens to the "book" lets say.. if you let your c&r expire?

02-16-2011, 09:50 AM	#14
Jim Hauff Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 2,980	Re: C and R THREE (3) years it is! Not 5 as I originally posted. You hang on to your book, even if you let your C&R expire. Chance of being "audited" by ATF agents approaches ZERO. Guns owned before acquiring license do not go into book; guns (modern) that are acquired without using license do not go into book. Any time you hand a copy of your license to another person in exchange for a C&R firearm - that person's information (name, address, license number, etc.) is entered ALONG with information describing that firearm. IF you lose your book - you are a klutz. __________________ Jim Hauff ~ H&R Collector In Memory of Bill Goforth and Jim Ritchie

02-16-2011, 10:49 AM	#15
thomasray V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Columbia River Posts: 79	Re: C and R OK.All good and appreciated input. What if you croak? Does Junior get your CR booked guns? And the book goes away? __________________ a farting horse will never tire and a farting man is the one to hire.

02-16-2011, 03:44 PM	#17
Jim Hauff Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 2,980	Re: C and R NON-C&R __________________ Jim Hauff ~ H&R Collector In Memory of Bill Goforth and Jim Ritchie

02-16-2011, 05:33 PM	#18
deadin Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 858	Re: C and R Thank you! (You think the same way I do.) Besides, you can't acquire a modern, non-C&R on your FFL03 in the first place.