The Changing Scene

millwright · 03-23-2011, 05:27 PM

In response to the Phoenix event, the Honerable Sen. C. Schumer, D-NY- has recently introduced the "Fix Gun Checks Act" as the new "common sense" gun legislation:

http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/23/ne...sing-firearms/

Note Sen. Schumer's legislation would disenfranchise anyone accused of a violation ! No trial, no adjudication, no relief for the innocent, no way to for them to appeal/rectify the disenfranchisement........Yes the proposed time frame is five years......But a stroke of the pen could make it lifetime !

We're saddled with a President with distinctly socialist/dictatorial leanings. A President that's supported racism, supported contravention of established law, and encouraged the demunition of states' rights/powers in public statements in support of illegal union activities ! Now he's proposed the nomination of Mr. Travers to head BATFE, when the nominee has little to no support within his organization. An organization teetering upon the brink of total collapse as more implicatory evidence emerges BATFE is the prime source of Mexican Drug Cartel arms that can bew traced back to the U..S. !! IOW an agency of our fedral government is not only contributing to a major crime problem in a bordering nation, but is using that conflict to further an "anti-gun" agenda across America !! >MW

dge479 · 03-24-2011, 08:27 PM

Perhaps Mr Schumer should introduce Fix Bus Driver Backround Check, since there seems to be a high rate of Bus deaths in NY lately. This guy is tool and a poster child for Term Limits.

millwright · 03-25-2011, 06:50 PM

Past history has the honorable senator willing to "misrepresent" a lot of facts to get bandwidth........Firearms are only one aspect of his ambition.......IOW they're merely a convenient pony to ride - until it founders - then he'll change ponys with nary a regret for those that served him........

IOW the Honorable Senator from NY is tlhe epitome of a crass, self-serving politician with no ethose, ethic, or even a conscience....... >MW

aryfrosty · 03-25-2011, 08:26 PM

I just finished reading that rotten bill...S 426...on line. It will largely require that all gun sales, even between friends, family, etc. be subject to the NICS oversight.
Another worrisome part is the requirement that states submit all of the information gathered under 426 and if they fail to do so there is a formula for witholding federal monies from the states.
I wish Schumer would smell the roses and understand that Americans are worn out with the incessant whining about guns. Obviously he's crooked enough to ever lose his seat in the senate, but he is an embarrassment to the nation.
Oh, well. Look at the greatest emabrrassment. Obama.

rentalguy1 · 03-25-2011, 09:25 PM

I can think of many that should have been in AZ that day instead of Giffords. This gimp is but one of them...

aryfrosty · 03-25-2011, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rentalguy1

I can think of many that should have been in AZ that day instead of Giffords. This gimp is but one of them...

He is a rat's best friend. And Pelosi, Reid, Boxer, Feinstein are there, to name a few.

bamashooter · 03-26-2011, 03:46 AM

We have got to stand up and challenge idiots like this or we will all be in trouble. Its hard to fight against the left becouse they control most of the media in this country. Their biggest weapon is demeaning us on all their news outlets. We just have to keep fighting and hope the people see the progressive movement for what it is. Which in my opinion is a movement to destroy the United States of America.

hogger129 · 03-26-2011, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by millwright

In response to the Phoenix event, the Honerable Sen. C. Schumer, D-NY- has recently introduced the "Fix Gun Checks Act" as the new "common sense" gun legislation:

http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/23/ne...sing-firearms/

Note Sen. Schumer's legislation would disenfranchise anyone accused of a violation ! No trial, no adjudication, no relief for the innocent, no way to for them to appeal/rectify the disenfranchisement........Yes the proposed time frame is five years......But a stroke of the pen could make it lifetime !

We're saddled with a President with distinctly socialist/dictatorial leanings. A President that's supported racism, supported contravention of established law, and encouraged the demunition of states' rights/powers in public statements in support of illegal union activities ! Now he's proposed the nomination of Mr. Travers to head BATFE, when the nominee has little to no support within his organization. An organization teetering upon the brink of total collapse as more implicatory evidence emerges BATFE is the prime source of Mexican Drug Cartel arms that can bew traced back to the U..S. !! IOW an agency of our fedral government is not only contributing to a major crime problem in a bordering nation, but is using that conflict to further an "anti-gun" agenda across America !! >MW

Wow Schumer is an idiot. How is that fair to disenfranchise anybody who is accused? Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

I don't even believe in government requiring background checks. Honestly, it should be at the discretion of the seller of said gun. If they want to run one, let them. Because it violates the Second Amendment as an infringement upon the right to keep and bear arms. Therefore the government can't do them. But a private business can.

I think it all goes back to these idiots wanting someone else to look out for them. The "give me" mentality. Whereas people like us pull ourselves up by our bootstraps and take responsibility for our own safety and take responsibilty for our own lives.

I'm so sick of them curtailing my rights just simply because they are paranoid and don't feel safe. I don't feel safe. That's why I purchased a gun and am trying to learn to be proficient with it.

hogger129 · 03-26-2011, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dge479

Perhaps Mr Schumer should introduce Fix Bus Driver Backround Check, since there seems to be a high rate of Bus deaths in NY lately. This guy is tool and a poster child for Term Limits.

They'll never pass term limits. It's just politics. Corruption runs deep, even in the United States of America.

bamashooter · 03-27-2011, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by hogger129

They'll never pass term limits. It's just politics. Corruption runs deep, even in the United States of America.

Thats true but we can fight them kicking and screaming and just maybe we will keep a few of them honest. We have to at least try, its our country, not theirs.

rentalguy1 · 03-27-2011, 06:01 AM

So long as our only recourse remains writing emails, sending letters, and attempting to vote them out, then nothing will ever change. You can "kick and scream" all you want, but it will fall on deaf ears. People today are too small minded, selfish, and generally ignorant of the political process and ramifications thereof, to do anything at all. So long as their children aren't being asked to fight in a foreign land, they have a job with meager pay, a car to drive around in, and they get a tax refund check every year, then they could care less. It's going to take drastic measures to bring about real change. You know it. I know it. And they know it. Heck, the whole world knows it! The only people that don't seem to get it are the lazy riff-raff that make up the majority of our population. Thomas Jefferson was dead on when he wrote of the "Tree of Liberty."

Remember: Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, et. al. were all looked at in much the same way (by the hierarchy in England) that Ron and Rand Paul, Palin, Beck, and many others are looked at today. There are parallels that can be drawn between events like Waco and Ruby Ridge and events that occurred throughout the colonies prior to 1775. This thing may well be under way already and we don't even recognize the signs. All I am saying is that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. I am just sad that it looks like the bad guys will win this time without ever having to fire a shot (previous examples of innocent people being killed by their government notwithstanding)...

carver · 03-27-2011, 07:20 AM

And lets not forget that George had only a small support from the colonists during his battles. Some were for "fighting for freedom", some were for the crown, and most could care less. There is a lesson there.

Zhurh · 03-27-2011, 07:59 AM

When laws get too goofy & outta whack, the people ignore them; at least that's how it is in Alaska. Now there is a different mindset here than many places back east; but it isn't that much different than most small town community values across the USA. Many federal laws & mandates have been ignored by the state of Alaska for many years. Many more are ignored on the local level. Just try and get the people to do what they are told when they don't see it that way; leads to problems the govt doesn't want to face. People might figure out the power does reside in their own hands; govts can't let that occur now can they?

Gun control only helps the Republicans get elected.

People themselves control what they spend and how much money it takes to live. The pendulum swings back and forth, not much has really changed for me. Not how much you make that matters; it's how much that you spend that counts.

Think about how upset we all were around 93-94? Once the slickster was gone, it all settled down once again, didn't it? Same thing will happen to Big "O". Even if the greenback collapses, everybody else will be dealing with it too. You decide how prepared you are for possible problems. I just hope that I live long enough to see my kids having kids and another Reagen in power.

Deputy Dawg · 03-27-2011, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by aryfrosty

He is a rat's best friend. And Pelosi, Reid, Boxer, Feinstein are there, to name a few.

I could not agree more,I feel the same way about all of them and some others.

bamashooter · 03-28-2011, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by rentalguy1

So long as our only recourse remains writing emails, sending letters, and attempting to vote them out, then nothing will ever change. You can "kick and scream" all you want, but it will fall on deaf ears. People today are too small minded, selfish, and generally ignorant of the political process and ramifications thereof, to do anything at all. So long as their children aren't being asked to fight in a foreign land, they have a job with meager pay, a car to drive around in, and they get a tax refund check every year, then they could care less. It's going to take drastic measures to bring about real change. You know it. I know it. And they know it. Heck, the whole world knows it! The only people that don't seem to get it are the lazy riff-raff that make up the majority of our population. Thomas Jefferson was dead on when he wrote of the "Tree of Liberty."

Remember: Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, et. al. were all looked at in much the same way (by the hierarchy in England) that Ron and Rand Paul, Palin, Beck, and many others are looked at today. There are parallels that can be drawn between events like Waco and Ruby Ridge and events that occurred throughout the colonies prior to 1775. This thing may well be under way already and we don't even recognize the signs. All I am saying is that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. I am just sad that it looks like the bad guys will win this time without ever having to fire a shot (previous examples of innocent people being killed by their government notwithstanding)...

I think the last election proved that something can be done to keep the dishonest politicians in check. Even if its just one or two every couple years that gets replaced with an honest politician we are doing something good. Im not sure what else we can do but I know im not ready to give up on America just yet.

rentalguy1 · 03-28-2011, 06:46 AM

Really? How much good legislation has been introduced, and how much bad legislation has been stopped since the last election? We are financially operating on our country's third continuing resolution since last October. Obamacare is still a fact of life. They are still coming after our guns. We are now in a third (or fourth, depending on how you look at it) war. We still have illegals flooding in across our southern border. I could go on and on and on. Replacing two or three bad politicians a year will not even come close to getting us out of the mess we're in. It will take a major overhaul. That won't happen until people wake up and realize the place that we are as a nation. Unfortunately, though, in this self-centered country, that won't happen until it is far too late.

bamashooter · 03-28-2011, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rentalguy1

Really? How much good legislation has been introduced, and how much bad legislation has been stopped since the last election? We are financially operating on our country's third continuing resolution since last October. Obamacare is still a fact of life. They are still coming after our guns. We are now in a third (or fourth, depending on how you look at it) war. We still have illegals flooding in across our southern border. I could go on and on and on. Replacing two or three bad politicians a year will not even come close to getting us out of the mess we're in. It will take a major overhaul. That won't happen until people wake up and realize the place that we are as a nation. Unfortunately, though, in this self-centered country, that won't happen until it is far too late.

In my opinion they will repeal obamacare. No-one has touched any of my guns. I dont consider Libya to be a war(yet). I agree with you about the illegal's. I think there are more americans aware of whats going on than you think. I dont think its too late to stop the progressive's or shoddy politicians from destroying this country. Maybe thats the optimist in me. I dont consider myself self centered so I wouldnt know about that.

carver · 03-28-2011, 08:21 PM

Let's not forget that little gem of a Bill that just got passed. And some of our new Ultra Conseritives voted for it ........ S. 510: FDA Food Safety Modernization Act! If you haven't read this bill, you need to. I've read it, and I can tell you that this bill alone will give the Federal Government all the control over you, and I, that they need. This Bill is now law, and it will be illegal for you to grow your own food, once it's in place.

Zhurh · 03-28-2011, 11:04 PM

Do most people really think the feds will be able to stop people from growing their own gardens? They'd have a war on their hands the same if they tried disarming America. Maybe "O " will bring in the blue hats to help out; after they get Africans in Ruwanda to stop chopping off body parts. It's like blk helicopters all over again and I lost interest in those such things in the early 90's. I must be the crazy one I guess; I just don't see it in the cards.

No offense but I heard that the regs were about commercial food production, not that I agree with it; but kinda how it gets interpreted that gets people upset. I expect many of these regs & laws will be reversed when the Repubs get back in.

We have a few AR's and enough ammo that my grandkids will still be firing clips off into the sky. If the day ever comes, I do believe enough of Americans will be ready to stop any attempts at taking our freedoms. Maybe it's living in Alaska and knowing our state govt will oppose with force any such disregard of rights from the feds.

I just wish ole "O" would hurry up and try some of these things, so everybody would see the king has no clothes. Laws only work when people respect and collectively obey them; no joke.

millwright · 03-29-2011, 08:56 PM

I can think of several ways the fed could inhibit/prohibit back-yard gardens.........

Offhand in no particular order:

1. Declare all seedlings/seeds "contaminated" with any of dozens of diseases, (Xanthomonas comes readily to mind), and prohibit sales or destroy them as a "vital protective service"......

2. Declare all undertaking such efforts "domestic terrorists" .

3. Require all "gardening" of foodstuffs be registered with USDA, then make the process so complex and delayed as to make the effort worthless.....

4. Issue ration books and require all foodstuff garden products be accounted for and checked off against the "national ration"......[BTW, if you don't grasp how this works, go ask grandpa/ma how their parents coped with it.]

5. Seize control of all seed sources as a "strategic national resource".

Yeah, I know you're all thinking "It won't happen".........But GM is now "Government Motors"......As is Chrysler. And "Obama Care" is going to open the data bank floodgates for intergovernmental mining of personal data that will trace your every action and restrict your constitutionally guaranteed "rights" under a host of pogroms and "protective'" restrictions. If a government agency, DHS, can almost pull off a "terrorist training secenario" depicting predomintly white, church-going Christian, ex-military, conservative supporting populace as "terrorists" in "Heartland America" aka Pottawamaie Cty, I, where does it stop ? >MW

Zhurh · 03-30-2011, 01:52 AM

Ya know, I hate what "O" has done over the last couple years as much as anybody. The fiscal & economic problems bother me more and will affect all of us way more than all the crazy ex orders that have been the law for many decades.

I still believe that "O" will only be able to go so far, then It will all back fire on him. I do also believe last Nov election is the writing on the wall for the demise of his ideas. I just hope the dollar, all our 401's, and our financial security doesn't collapse. I figure that he is trying to crash everything in order to force through an added value tax. Somehow, I don't think it will fly.

Our country has went through changes from the alien & sedition act in late 1790's to present day miscarriages of constitutional rights; but we always seem to make it through as a Nation. I still have faith in our system, call me crazy; but I believe it will all come back around and our Nation will be better for it; look at the tea party and it's growing influence; maybe the tea party will be majority main stream thought soon enough; heck I think it is already.

Maybe it's because I live in Alaska; pretty conservative place. We live on the Yukon, quite rural; all kinds of freedom that doesn't exist back east. We have left wing greenies in our community too; but they are laughed at, not taken serious at all and they are letter writers. Whenever they attempt to change things; the majority puts them back in their place. I think it's like that over much of main stream America too.

We have a couple Germans, been here for 30 years, I call them socialists, that's how left wing they are. Once the one lady was at school meeting and started going on about how in her country (germany), the govt paid for everything. The fat people paid more taxes, ect. I told her if Germany was such a shan gri la, why is she still here in Ak, I then told her that in America if you work hard, you get fat She stormed outta the place after I mentioned that the Russkies should have got her too. But ya know, most everybody in the community thinks those greenies are jokes and whatever changes those Germans try are quickly beat down by the majority.

Wait until nx election, big change is coming and the dems will feel awful lonely once again. Common sense is very basic to most Americans.

03-23-2011, 05:27 PM	#1
millwright Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,435	The Changing Scene In response to the Phoenix event, the Honerable Sen. C. Schumer, D-NY- has recently introduced the "Fix Gun Checks Act" as the new "common sense" gun legislation: http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/23/ne...sing-firearms/ Note Sen. Schumer's legislation would disenfranchise anyone accused of a violation ! No trial, no adjudication, no relief for the innocent, no way to for them to appeal/rectify the disenfranchisement........Yes the proposed time frame is five years......But a stroke of the pen could make it lifetime ! We're saddled with a President with distinctly socialist/dictatorial leanings. A President that's supported racism, supported contravention of established law, and encouraged the demunition of states' rights/powers in public statements in support of illegal union activities ! Now he's proposed the nomination of Mr. Travers to head BATFE, when the nominee has little to no support within his organization. An organization teetering upon the brink of total collapse as more implicatory evidence emerges BATFE is the prime source of Mexican Drug Cartel arms that can bew traced back to the U..S. !! IOW an agency of our fedral government is not only contributing to a major crime problem in a bordering nation, but is using that conflict to further an "anti-gun" agenda across America !! >MW -->

03-24-2011, 08:27 PM	#2
dge479 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Haskell NJ Posts: 618	Re: The Changing Scene Perhaps Mr Schumer should introduce Fix Bus Driver Backround Check, since there seems to be a high rate of Bus deaths in NY lately. This guy is tool and a poster child for Term Limits. __________________ Proud GOA and NRA member. Old Mopars and Guns, About as good as it gets. Guns Dont Kill, Socialized Healthcare does

03-25-2011, 06:50 PM	#3
millwright Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,435	Re: The Changing Scene Past history has the honorable senator willing to "misrepresent" a lot of facts to get bandwidth........Firearms are only one aspect of his ambition.......IOW they're merely a convenient pony to ride - until it founders - then he'll change ponys with nary a regret for those that served him........ IOW the Honorable Senator from NY is tlhe epitome of a crass, self-serving politician with no ethose, ethic, or even a conscience....... >MW

03-25-2011, 08:26 PM	#4
aryfrosty Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 46	Re: The Changing Scene I just finished reading that rotten bill...S 426...on line. It will largely require that all gun sales, even between friends, family, etc. be subject to the NICS oversight. Another worrisome part is the requirement that states submit all of the information gathered under 426 and if they fail to do so there is a formula for witholding federal monies from the states. I wish Schumer would smell the roses and understand that Americans are worn out with the incessant whining about guns. Obviously he's crooked enough to ever lose his seat in the senate, but he is an embarrassment to the nation. Oh, well. Look at the greatest emabrrassment. Obama. Last edited by aryfrosty; 03-25-2011 at 08:28 PM..

03-25-2011, 09:25 PM	#5
rentalguy1 Former Guest Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: The mountains of NE TN. Posts: 884	Re: The Changing Scene I can think of many that should have been in AZ that day instead of Giffords. This gimp is but one of them...

03-26-2011, 03:46 AM	#7
bamashooter V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: north alabama Posts: 55	Re: The Changing Scene We have got to stand up and challenge idiots like this or we will all be in trouble. Its hard to fight against the left becouse they control most of the media in this country. Their biggest weapon is demeaning us on all their news outlets. We just have to keep fighting and hope the people see the progressive movement for what it is. Which in my opinion is a movement to destroy the United States of America.

03-27-2011, 06:01 AM	#11
rentalguy1 Former Guest Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: The mountains of NE TN. Posts: 884	Re: The Changing Scene So long as our only recourse remains writing emails, sending letters, and attempting to vote them out, then nothing will ever change. You can "kick and scream" all you want, but it will fall on deaf ears. People today are too small minded, selfish, and generally ignorant of the political process and ramifications thereof, to do anything at all. So long as their children aren't being asked to fight in a foreign land, they have a job with meager pay, a car to drive around in, and they get a tax refund check every year, then they could care less. It's going to take drastic measures to bring about real change. You know it. I know it. And they know it. Heck, the whole world knows it! The only people that don't seem to get it are the lazy riff-raff that make up the majority of our population. Thomas Jefferson was dead on when he wrote of the "Tree of Liberty." Remember: Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, et. al. were all looked at in much the same way (by the hierarchy in England) that Ron and Rand Paul, Palin, Beck, and many others are looked at today. There are parallels that can be drawn between events like Waco and Ruby Ridge and events that occurred throughout the colonies prior to 1775. This thing may well be under way already and we don't even recognize the signs. All I am saying is that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. I am just sad that it looks like the bad guys will win this time without ever having to fire a shot (previous examples of innocent people being killed by their government notwithstanding)...

03-27-2011, 07:20 AM	#12
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,219	Re: The Changing Scene And lets not forget that George had only a small support from the colonists during his battles. Some were for "fighting for freedom", some were for the crown, and most could care less. There is a lesson there. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

03-27-2011, 07:59 AM	#13
Zhurh Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Upper Yukon, Alaska Posts: 1,806	Re: The Changing Scene When laws get too goofy & outta whack, the people ignore them; at least that's how it is in Alaska. Now there is a different mindset here than many places back east; but it isn't that much different than most small town community values across the USA. Many federal laws & mandates have been ignored by the state of Alaska for many years. Many more are ignored on the local level. Just try and get the people to do what they are told when they don't see it that way; leads to problems the govt doesn't want to face. People might figure out the power does reside in their own hands; govts can't let that occur now can they? Gun control only helps the Republicans get elected. People themselves control what they spend and how much money it takes to live. The pendulum swings back and forth, not much has really changed for me. Not how much you make that matters; it's how much that you spend that counts. Think about how upset we all were around 93-94? Once the slickster was gone, it all settled down once again, didn't it? Same thing will happen to Big "O". Even if the greenback collapses, everybody else will be dealing with it too. You decide how prepared you are for possible problems. I just hope that I live long enough to see my kids having kids and another Reagen in power.

03-28-2011, 06:46 AM	#16
rentalguy1 Former Guest Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: The mountains of NE TN. Posts: 884	Re: The Changing Scene Really? How much good legislation has been introduced, and how much bad legislation has been stopped since the last election? We are financially operating on our country's third continuing resolution since last October. Obamacare is still a fact of life. They are still coming after our guns. We are now in a third (or fourth, depending on how you look at it) war. We still have illegals flooding in across our southern border. I could go on and on and on. Replacing two or three bad politicians a year will not even come close to getting us out of the mess we're in. It will take a major overhaul. That won't happen until people wake up and realize the place that we are as a nation. Unfortunately, though, in this self-centered country, that won't happen until it is far too late.

03-28-2011, 08:21 PM	#18
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,219	Re: The Changing Scene Let's not forget that little gem of a Bill that just got passed. And some of our new Ultra Conseritives voted for it ........ S. 510: FDA Food Safety Modernization Act! If you haven't read this bill, you need to. I've read it, and I can tell you that this bill alone will give the Federal Government all the control over you, and I, that they need. This Bill is now law, and it will be illegal for you to grow your own food, once it's in place. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

03-28-2011, 11:04 PM	#19
Zhurh Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Upper Yukon, Alaska Posts: 1,806	Re: The Changing Scene Do most people really think the feds will be able to stop people from growing their own gardens? They'd have a war on their hands the same if they tried disarming America. Maybe "O " will bring in the blue hats to help out; after they get Africans in Ruwanda to stop chopping off body parts. It's like blk helicopters all over again and I lost interest in those such things in the early 90's. I must be the crazy one I guess; I just don't see it in the cards. No offense but I heard that the regs were about commercial food production, not that I agree with it; but kinda how it gets interpreted that gets people upset. I expect many of these regs & laws will be reversed when the Repubs get back in. We have a few AR's and enough ammo that my grandkids will still be firing clips off into the sky. If the day ever comes, I do believe enough of Americans will be ready to stop any attempts at taking our freedoms. Maybe it's living in Alaska and knowing our state govt will oppose with force any such disregard of rights from the feds. I just wish ole "O" would hurry up and try some of these things, so everybody would see the king has no clothes. Laws only work when people respect and collectively obey them; no joke.

03-29-2011, 08:56 PM	#20
millwright Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,435	Re: The Changing Scene I can think of several ways the fed could inhibit/prohibit back-yard gardens......... Offhand in no particular order: 1. Declare all seedlings/seeds "contaminated" with any of dozens of diseases, (Xanthomonas comes readily to mind), and prohibit sales or destroy them as a "vital protective service"...... 2. Declare all undertaking such efforts "domestic terrorists" . 3. Require all "gardening" of foodstuffs be registered with USDA, then make the process so complex and delayed as to make the effort worthless..... 4. Issue ration books and require all foodstuff garden products be accounted for and checked off against the "national ration"......[BTW, if you don't grasp how this works, go ask grandpa/ma how their parents coped with it.] 5. Seize control of all seed sources as a "strategic national resource". Yeah, I know you're all thinking "It won't happen".........But GM is now "Government Motors"......As is Chrysler. And "Obama Care" is going to open the data bank floodgates for intergovernmental mining of personal data that will trace your every action and restrict your constitutionally guaranteed "rights" under a host of pogroms and "protective'" restrictions. If a government agency, DHS, can almost pull off a "terrorist training secenario" depicting predomintly white, church-going Christian, ex-military, conservative supporting populace as "terrorists" in "Heartland America" aka Pottawamaie Cty, I, where does it stop ? >MW

03-30-2011, 01:52 AM	#21
Zhurh Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Upper Yukon, Alaska Posts: 1,806	Re: The Changing Scene Ya know, I hate what "O" has done over the last couple years as much as anybody. The fiscal & economic problems bother me more and will affect all of us way more than all the crazy ex orders that have been the law for many decades. I still believe that "O" will only be able to go so far, then It will all back fire on him. I do also believe last Nov election is the writing on the wall for the demise of his ideas. I just hope the dollar, all our 401's, and our financial security doesn't collapse. I figure that he is trying to crash everything in order to force through an added value tax. Somehow, I don't think it will fly. Our country has went through changes from the alien & sedition act in late 1790's to present day miscarriages of constitutional rights; but we always seem to make it through as a Nation. I still have faith in our system, call me crazy; but I believe it will all come back around and our Nation will be better for it; look at the tea party and it's growing influence; maybe the tea party will be majority main stream thought soon enough; heck I think it is already. Maybe it's because I live in Alaska; pretty conservative place. We live on the Yukon, quite rural; all kinds of freedom that doesn't exist back east. We have left wing greenies in our community too; but they are laughed at, not taken serious at all and they are letter writers. Whenever they attempt to change things; the majority puts them back in their place. I think it's like that over much of main stream America too. We have a couple Germans, been here for 30 years, I call them socialists, that's how left wing they are. Once the one lady was at school meeting and started going on about how in her country (germany), the govt paid for everything. The fat people paid more taxes, ect. I told her if Germany was such a shan gri la, why is she still here in Ak, I then told her that in America if you work hard, you get fat She stormed outta the place after I mentioned that the Russkies should have got her too. But ya know, most everybody in the community thinks those greenies are jokes and whatever changes those Germans try are quickly beat down by the majority. Wait until nx election, big change is coming and the dems will feel awful lonely once again. Common sense is very basic to most Americans.