Best bullet for new savage 10 bat 1&10 twist??? - The Firearms Forum

Oti-1 · 03-31-2011, 12:29 PM

I just purchased the savage 10 bat in 308. I also bought 1000 Winchester 147 gn bt projectiles. Is anyone running this light of bullet in a 1&10 bolt gun. I'm going to work a load using that bullet. I want consitany at 1000 yds. I know I should probably use 168 grain but I can't find any deals. Any ideas, experience and suggestions would be appreciated. The optic is a vortex viper. 6.5x20x50. I need to settle on a projectile so I can get my custom turrets.

woolleyworm · 03-31-2011, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Oti-1

I just purchased the savage 10 bat in 308. I also bought 1000 Winchester 147 gn bt projectiles. Is anyone running this light of bullet in a 1&10 bolt gun. I'm going to work a load using that bullet. I want consitany at 1000 yds. I know I should probably use 168 grain but I can't find any deals. Any ideas, experience and suggestions would be appreciated. The optic is a vortex viper. 6.5x20x50. I need to settle on a projectile so I can get my custom turrets.

I'd rather buy 500ea 175 SMK's for the price of 1000 of the others that most likely won't perform well at 1000yrds. I feel like developing a load for 1000 yrds is pretty much going to be spinning wheels with a 147gn BT. You may find different results, but if you want to play at 1000yrds, you gotta be willing to pay. It will be interesting to see what you can do with the 147gn's. Hopefully you'll prove me wrong and get some good results.

Oti-1 · 03-31-2011, 04:56 PM

Ya that's what I was afraid of. I'm virgin new to 308. I'll work up
The little guys and see what I can get for accuracy and distance. I'll report back when done. They would probably work great in an ar 10. I'm on the hunt for some 175. I'm excited for the long shots.

firewalker · 03-31-2011, 06:50 PM

I have had the best luck with 208 gr A max at 1000. I think the 147s will fall short

JLA · 03-31-2011, 07:07 PM

Minimum 168 grainers for 1000 yd shooting. The heavier the better and the .30 cal 10 twist will stabilize up to 220 gr bullets.

I much prefer 175 gr SMKs in my Savage .308. The load I have developed with them match perfectly witht he BDC built into the reticle of my scope.

I paid a little over 150 bucks for 500 SMKs form Grafs shipping included, one of the best deals online... http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/...roductId/17640 and they are in stock...

Oti-1 · 04-04-2011, 09:55 AM

Thanks folks. Heavy bullet. I loaded some 147's based on 150 data. And some hornady 165. I shoot today. Break in and zeroing at 100 to 300 yds. I'll report. I'm leaving the seating static at 2.80 and made several charge options. Expectations are realistic. Just excited to shoot new gun. I like graffs. I've got some 168 coming from them. Boat tail no canaloure. Looks slippery. Then I'll do full work up.

What are you guys using for seating depths??
Not relevant to my gun, but I'm curious all the same.

Cheers

carver · 04-04-2011, 11:27 AM

I started out with the 150gr bullets, and I didn't like what I got. I then moved up to the 170gr bullet, and it worked better, but still not what I'm looking for in accuracy, so will be moving on up to the 180gr bullets. I want to shoot at least three different manufacturers to see which one my rifle likes best.

LDBennett · 04-04-2011, 01:06 PM

Oti-1:

You may already know that the twist rate for a given bullet is calculated by the Greenhill formula. The formula does not contain a factor for bullet weight but is based on the bullet diameter and its LENGTH. Below is a chart for some common bullets and the required slowest twist rate that Greenhill says is required.

You can use lighter (SHORTER) bullets but if the twist rate is too fast and the bullets of lesser construction (like lesser hunting bullets) then the bullets may not make it to the target as they will explode mid-path from the excessive spin rate the barrel puts on them (Don't laugh, I have seen it first hand on 223 bullets!).

LDBennett

Sorry about the offset but the column headers are shown first and then the data.

JLA · 04-04-2011, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Oti-1

Thanks folks. Heavy bullet. I loaded some 147's based on 150 data. And some hornady 165. I shoot today. Break in and zeroing at 100 to 300 yds. I'll report. I'm leaving the seating static at 2.80 and made several charge options. Expectations are realistic. Just excited to shoot new gun. I like graffs. I've got some 168 coming from them. Boat tail no canaloure. Looks slippery. Then I'll do full work up.

What are you guys using for seating depths??
Not relevant to my gun, but I'm curious all the same.

Cheers

My Savage/Criterion loads are set at 2.870" with 175 gr SMKs

Thats .010" off bullet jam

03-31-2011, 12:29 PM	#1
Oti-1 Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 16	Best bullet for new savage 10 bat 1&10 twist??? I just purchased the savage 10 bat in 308. I also bought 1000 Winchester 147 gn bt projectiles. Is anyone running this light of bullet in a 1&10 bolt gun. I'm going to work a load using that bullet. I want consitany at 1000 yds. I know I should probably use 168 grain but I can't find any deals. Any ideas, experience and suggestions would be appreciated. The optic is a vortex viper. 6.5x20x50. I need to settle on a projectile so I can get my custom turrets. -->

03-31-2011, 04:56 PM	#3
Oti-1 Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 16	Re: Best bullet for new savage 10 bat 1&10 twist??? Ya that's what I was afraid of. I'm virgin new to 308. I'll work up The little guys and see what I can get for accuracy and distance. I'll report back when done. They would probably work great in an ar 10. I'm on the hunt for some 175. I'm excited for the long shots.

03-31-2011, 06:50 PM	#4
firewalker Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 7	Re: Best bullet for new savage 10 bat 1&10 twist??? I have had the best luck with 208 gr A max at 1000. I think the 147s will fall short

03-31-2011, 07:07 PM	#5
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,319	Re: Best bullet for new savage 10 bat 1&10 twist??? Minimum 168 grainers for 1000 yd shooting. The heavier the better and the .30 cal 10 twist will stabilize up to 220 gr bullets. I much prefer 175 gr SMKs in my Savage .308. The load I have developed with them match perfectly witht he BDC built into the reticle of my scope. I paid a little over 150 bucks for 500 SMKs form Grafs shipping included, one of the best deals online... http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/...roductId/17640 and they are in stock... __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

04-04-2011, 09:55 AM	#6
Oti-1 Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 16	Re: Best bullet for new savage 10 bat 1&10 twist??? Thanks folks. Heavy bullet. I loaded some 147's based on 150 data. And some hornady 165. I shoot today. Break in and zeroing at 100 to 300 yds. I'll report. I'm leaving the seating static at 2.80 and made several charge options. Expectations are realistic. Just excited to shoot new gun. I like graffs. I've got some 168 coming from them. Boat tail no canaloure. Looks slippery. Then I'll do full work up. What are you guys using for seating depths?? Not relevant to my gun, but I'm curious all the same. Cheers

04-04-2011, 11:27 AM	#7
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,288	Re: Best bullet for new savage 10 bat 1&10 twist??? I started out with the 150gr bullets, and I didn't like what I got. I then moved up to the 170gr bullet, and it worked better, but still not what I'm looking for in accuracy, so will be moving on up to the 180gr bullets. I want to shoot at least three different manufacturers to see which one my rifle likes best. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

04-04-2011, 01:06 PM	#8
LDBennett Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hesperia, CA Posts: 5,718	Re: Best bullet for new savage 10 bat 1&10 twist??? Oti-1: You may already know that the twist rate for a given bullet is calculated by the Greenhill formula. The formula does not contain a factor for bullet weight but is based on the bullet diameter and its LENGTH. Below is a chart for some common bullets and the required slowest twist rate that Greenhill says is required. You can use lighter (SHORTER) bullets but if the twist rate is too fast and the bullets of lesser construction (like lesser hunting bullets) then the bullets may not make it to the target as they will explode mid-path from the excessive spin rate the barrel puts on them (Don't laugh, I have seen it first hand on 223 bullets!). LDBennett Sorry about the offset but the column headers are shown first and then the data. Attached Images