Ct. Citizens Defense League

[BETH]

CCDL has signed a lawsuit with other states against Denver Colorado for not allowing others from other states, who have gun permits, to enter Denver with a firearm-go CCDL

[armedandsafe]

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[BETH]

The more states that sign the better we will be

[Bigbill]

We need a nation wide handgun permit. We should beable to purchase any firearms in any state too with it. Having it would show were the good gun guys. All these states need to get on the same page for it to happen.

I'm thinking of throwing the towel in and getting my FFL01 license I'm just tired of the buying bs.

[BETH]

to me if u can drive in any state u should be able to shoot in any state and we should be able to buy a pistol in any state we want

[Double D]

I am the type of person that refuses to go to a state that I cant legally carry in. There really needs to be a universal acceptance of concealed permits. I wont go in a business that doesnt want guns inside either. They can all kiss it.

[Alpo]

We don't need a "nationwide pistol permit", unless you mean the 2nd Amendment. Would be nice if the Supreme Court said, "This is what it says, so all these (umpteen zillion) laws are now null and void". Don't see that happening any time soon, though.

Also be nice if the Supremes said, "Article IV, Section I says you will give full faith and credit to other states' laws, therefore that Florida carry permit is GOOD in Chicago. That Tennessee permit is GOOD in Los Angeles. That Texas permit is GOOD in Washington DC". Don't see that happening anytime soon, either.

What we don't need is a Federal Carry Permit. Any time we give up some of the states' rights to the Feds, we lose. If we did away with individual states issuing permits, and let the Feds do it, by next Presidential election, there would be NO carry permits. The Feds giveth, and the Feds damn well taketh away.

[Double D]

I dont mean a nationwide permit. I mean that our state issued permits need to be honored in all other states. I put my gun on in the morning before my socks go on. I am not going anywhere I have to take it off. It comes off to take a shower and to go to bed. I would feel lost if I didnt have it on. If I am licenced to carry by the state and have passed the FBI background check, I should be able to carry anywhere I want to go.

[BETH]

amen

[Hatch]

Originally Posted by Double D

I dont mean a nationwide permit. I mean that our state issued permits need to be honored in all other states. I put my gun on in the morning before my socks go on. I am not going anywhere I have to take it off. It comes off to take a shower and to go to bed. I would feel lost if I didnt have it on. If I am licenced to carry by the state and have passed the FBI background check, I should be able to carry anywhere I want to go.

I'm really amazed... I'm forced to disagree with you.

#1 Yes your right to carry (open or concealed should not be infringed upon... EVER)
#2 That's kind of the problem with states rights where we like to sever the Feds from intervening in the affairs of Nebraska and Florida. There's no purpose for the Fed to be there, separation of power!

but...

You cant have a universal carry permit under that rule either... duh.

what you want is a compact between states that allows for universal carry, and I think there are 32 states in such a compact, but my train wreck state of Kommiefornia isnt one of them...

anyway, just like the liberals, we cant have it both ways... states rights is states rights. just because Florida says you can carry concealed does not by any means infer any rights in Ohio. Unless they have a state to state agreement.

[jack404]

Beth as a former Australian defence league person i say good luck to all there , as citizens should defend themselves especially against tyrannical government

[Hatch]

sorry, thought this was another reply, a new post, it wasnt.

[permafrost]

It is an interesting point. States rights should be reinstated. Once Congress got away with manipulating the commerce clause, its been straight down hill for the states. Each one should recapture their sovereignty, and kick the feds out of state business. Kinda puts me up in the air concerning reciprocity.

[Double D]

The FBI has done an extensive check on my record in order for me to get a gun permit. I have served in the military. I am a licenced gun dealer. I should have the right to carry a gun everywhere I go. Not just me, but everyone like me. All the liberal states can kiss my conservative a$$. All the reasons above are against the 2nd ammendment, but requirements none the less.

[Hatch]

Originally Posted by permafrost

It is an interesting point. States rights should be reinstated. Once Congress got away with manipulating the commerce clause, its been straight down hill for the states. Each one should recapture their sovereignty, and kick the feds out of state business. Kinda puts me up in the air concerning reciprocity.

Thanks! that is exactly what I was hoping someone would say! I hope more people will take interest in it!

[Hatch]

Originally Posted by Double D

The FBI has done an extensive check on my record in order for me to get a gun permit. I have served in the military. I am a licenced gun dealer. I should have the right to carry a gun everywhere I go. Not just me, but everyone like me. All the liberal states can kiss my conservative a$$. All the reasons above are against the 2nd ammendment, but requirements none the less.

DD please keep in mind I'm not trying to be combative, but I think there's a lot of problems with what your saying...

FBI background check:
should be null and void, it should be a states rights issue. The FED should have absolutely ZERO power here. You're talking about the red tape and BS you have gone through instead of the removal of that BS.

Gun Permit: I just choked down some vomit... there shouldnt be such a thing. If states like Mass want to require one, we could let all the hippies move there and be happy in their little nirvana bliss.

Served in the Military: OOHRAH! me too! I dont know how much that should buy us as a default, personally, my vote is still out on that. I like that CA allows exceptions for active duty to defeat the ban on assault weapons for active duty when they move here, obviously I'd really like all of those state laws stricken from the books entirely!

I should have the right to carry a gun everywhere I go: No sir. You don't have or deserve that right. There was a big thing about changing "these United States" into "The United States" back about when Lincoln was ending the Civil War/War between the States and like I said before, neither the liberals or us can have it both ways. States Rights. Now, if you choose to do business in a state like MA and know in advance you can not even bring a firearm into their state, then why would you want to? and those who think like us would hopefully start moving the hell out of there! But to get back to it, NO. not only NO but HELL NO. Your "national" I can carry anywhere I want can just as easily be turned into "national" You cant carry any gun, anywhere, and I think that pretty much sets things in motion nobody wants to see.

You need to understand the exact legal "interpretations" of the 10 Amendments and the Constitution to understand that they can say one thing, but it only applies in certain cases.

and like I pointed out in the very beginning, please dont get upset with me, I'm not against your right to carry, but I can tell you from my very limited understanding of the legal system, this is NOT how it works, nor is it how we WANT it to work!

[Double D]

If you read my post, I clearly say that all of these checks and licences are against the 2nd ammendment. But are still a requirement none the less. And, I do have the right to carry anywhere I go. Just the anti-2nd ammend laws that stop me. I also say that I refuse to enter a state or a business that doesnt allow me to carry. But, I still have the right. Doesnt matter how you read it.

[Hatch]

I read your post. I think you're mistaking what is allowed by the bill of rights, and what is protected by the power of the states.

The 2A does not apply. you have to understand that very basic concept in order to understand that fundamental building block in what is wrong with trying to take away the legal power of others.

Quite bluntly... the 2A does not protect your carry in all states, and it shouldn't. That's what protects "us" from some whacko state like CA or MA passing a law that says "no guns ever" and making that national law whenever their "registered no guns" citizen travels through another state.

Please... stop and think. We cant have it both ways. Neither can they. That is one of the benefits of the system.

Once again... (under current interpretation of the law) the 2A does not apply to your argument. AT ALL.

[Alpo]

I'm glad you stuck in "under current interpretation of the law", because the current interpretation is wrong.

The First says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...:". Congress shall make no law. That means that Congress can't decide that the US will be a Catholic country. California, however, can. There is no law denying California from establishing a State Religion.

The Second, however, does not say "Congress shall make no law infringing...". It says the right "...shall not be infringed". That means anybody. That means the United States, that means the State of Rhode Island, that means Bay County Florida, that means Houston Texas. Nobody can infringe on that right.

The Fourth says we can't be searched without a warrant. I've never seen the argument that says that only applies to the FBI. Since it's a FEDERAL law it only affects FEDERAL cops, and Oklahoma cops can search anybody they want to at any time.

I've never seen anyone suggest that you can only be free from self-incrimination in a FEDERAL court, and if they ask you if you did the crime, in Indiana state court, you have to answer.

I don't see how anyone can decide that the states have any power to override the Constitution.

The problem I have with what Double D said is this. "The FBI has done an extensive check on my record in order for me to get a gun permit. I have served in the military. I am a licenced gun dealer. I should have the right to carry a gun everywhere I go. Not just me, but everyone like me."

So me, not having served in the military, and not having a gun store, should not have that right?

[Double D]

Originally Posted by Alpo

I'm glad you stuck in "under current interpretation of the law", because the current interpretation is wrong.

The First says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...:". Congress shall make no law. That means that Congress can't decide that the US will be a Catholic country. California, however, can. There is no law denying California from establishing a State Religion.

The Second, however, does not say "Congress shall make no law infringing...". It says the right "...shall not be infringed". That means anybody. That means the United States, that means the State of Rhode Island, that means Bay County Florida, that means Houston Texas. Nobody can infringe on that right.

The Fourth says we can't be searched without a warrant. I've never seen the argument that says that only applies to the FBI. Since it's a FEDERAL law it only affects FEDERAL cops, and Oklahoma cops can search anybody they want to at any time.

I've never seen anyone suggest that you can only be free from self-incrimination in a FEDERAL court, and if they ask you if you did the crime, in Indiana state court, you have to answer.

I don't see how anyone can decide that the states have any power to override the Constitution.

The problem I have with what Double D said is this. "The FBI has done an extensive check on my record in order for me to get a gun permit. I have served in the military. I am a licenced gun dealer. I should have the right to carry a gun everywhere I go. Not just me, but everyone like me."

So me, not having served in the military, and not having a gun store, should not have that right?

No, not by my interpretation. But, since the laws made to carry a firearm seem to trump the 2nd ammendment, then going by their interpretation, I (you) should be allowed. See, I dont think gun laws are legal in any state when it comes to a law abiding citizen. But, last time I checked, they dont agree with me. So, I go out and I play their game and get all their little requirements so I am "allowed" to carry. Just like you do. And, they do whats called a "federal" check on me (and you). If they say that "federally" I meet their bogus requirements, then I (you) should be allowed to carry "federally" which in my interpretation means everywhere that is "federally" regulated, which is everywhere in the US. Now, am I saying the law says that? Absolutely not. Just my take on the subject. P.S. In case that didnt answer your question, the reason I even mentioned being a dealer and serving in the military is this. It goes way beyond the minimum requirements to carry since I (and many many others) have had extensive background checks that should over "satisfy" their bogus laws.