Good News For Wisconsin!!! - The Firearms Forum

hogger129 · 06-10-2011, 10:28 AM

Budget Panel Approves Concealed Carry Bill
Committee Makes Changes Requiring Training, Permits

MADISON, Wis. -- The Legislature's budget committee has passed a bill that would allow Wisconsin residents to carry concealed weapons.
The Republican-controlled committee amended the bill Thursday to require people obtain permits and provide proof of training.
Under the proposal, the state Department of Justice could charge permit applicants up to $37 plus $13 for a background check.
Applicants would have to provide proof of firearms training, which could include completing a firearms safety course, a state hunter's safety course or documentation that an applicant participating in a shooting competition.
DOJ would maintain a database of license holders, but police could access it only to confirm if a license is valid, determine if a person who claims to have a license actually does or if a person lied to obtain one.
The panel approved those changes on a 15-1 vote with three of four Democrats joining with Republicans. They called the changes improvements.
But one senator said the Legislature should be focusing on those who obtain guns illegally.
"In all honesty, I'm not so worried about the people who buy a gun legally and buy a permit and carry a permit and go through the background check and do training. The folks I'm concerned about are the folks who get a gun, carry it illegally and do harm," said Sen. Luther Olsen, R-Ripon.
The panel then approved the bill itself on a 12-4 vote. This time all the Democrats sided against the bill, saying Republicans want to make Wisconsin into a vigilante state.
Republicans countered the bill would allow state residents to protect themselves.
The committee approval sets up a full vote in the Legislature.

http://http://www.channel3000.com/po...59/detail.html

hogger129 · 06-10-2011, 10:31 AM

I'm wondering if a Utah CCW permit is proof to show you've taken a firearms safety training course.

john_bud · 06-10-2011, 10:58 AM

Well, it's better than nothing but....

WI already has Constitutional OPEN Carry. I can carry a pair of .50 cal Desert Eagles on my hips and an AR over my shoulder legally. But if I put on a jacket or untuck my shirt and have any part of my clothing touch the gun -- suddenly I need to be trained and buy a permit. Does clothing touching a weapon drop my IQ? make me a greater security risk? Not in my book, but it is how cops define "Concealed" and that makes it illegal.

Even left wing liberal Vermont allows Constitutional Concealed Carry and they have not had doomsday because of it!

Double D · 06-10-2011, 11:09 AM

I am always happy to hear pro gun progress, but am still unhappy about any form of regulation. We have had this discussion before. The 2nd ammendment should be the law. Since that is not the case, I applaud the repub leadership for at least changing the law in favor of gun owners. Dems will always be on the wrong side of the arguement. There is that percentage of repubs on that side as well, but as a whole, conservatives are pro gun.

Juker · 06-10-2011, 02:27 PM

Yeee-ha! That makes Illinois the only holdout! The only state with no form of carry whatsoever!

We're number one! We're number one! No, wait... We're number fifty! We're... (sigh) Illinois sucks.

lawdawg · 06-10-2011, 05:11 PM

At least it's a step in the right direction.

john_bud · 06-10-2011, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by lawdawg

At least it's a step in the right direction.

Amen to that !

soon to be 49 states with CC option -- just 8 to go.

(according to Obama, anyway)

hogger129 · 06-19-2011, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by john_bud

Well, it's better than nothing but....

WI already has Constitutional OPEN Carry. I can carry a pair of .50 cal Desert Eagles on my hips and an AR over my shoulder legally. But if I put on a jacket or untuck my shirt and have any part of my clothing touch the gun -- suddenly I need to be trained and buy a permit. Does clothing touching a weapon drop my IQ? make me a greater security risk? Not in my book, but it is how cops define "Concealed" and that makes it illegal.

Even left wing liberal Vermont allows Constitutional Concealed Carry and they have not had doomsday because of it!

Yes but they will give you an unconstitutiona/illegal disturbing the peace or disorderly conduct fine for open carrying if anybody simply cries about your carrying a gun. Up north it's not bad at all. Hardly anyone complains. Here in Madison, there are whiney liberals everywhere. Milwaukee is even worse.

redwing carson · 06-19-2011, 10:53 PM

This is great news. The good guys may win another state. What is the next step in getting this law enacted? How does it look for becoming law. This law is very close to what we first had here in Wyoming. We will have Const'l Carry starting July 1, 2011. The first step is only the start of regaining our freedoms.

Double D · 06-20-2011, 06:46 AM

Our governer just signed our open carry into law last week. I would hug him if I could. Also allows us to buy rifles out of state.

hogger129 · 06-20-2011, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by redwing carson

This is great news. The good guys may win another state. What is the next step in getting this law enacted? How does it look for becoming law. This law is very close to what we first had here in Wyoming. We will have Const'l Carry starting July 1, 2011. The first step is only the start of regaining our freedoms.

It WILL become law.

It still has to be voted on in the Assembly early this week, but the likelihood of it passing is very good. After that it goes to Governor Walker's desk - who is a supporter of shall-issue concealed carry.

It's essentially "shall-issue" concealed carry.

What I am afraid of is if Walker gets recalled or if he doesn't win re-election, the liberals will outlaw concealed carry or turn it into may-issue.

I do not see Wisconsin going Constitutional on CC for awhile. I mean that's what they were talking about at first, but then the parts of the police who are anti-gun come out of the woodwork and get their word in on it. We've had Constitutional open carry in this state as long as I can remember, and it never increased crime. Not many people exercise that right though because if someone complains, you get a ticket for disorderly conduct.

As far as my getting a permit... I already have the Utah CCW permit, so that would count as my training according to the police officers that work down at the local gun range. So all I have to do is apply for a permit.

Doug B. · 06-20-2011, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by hogger129

It's essentially "shall-issue" concealed carry.

According to published reports in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, only the terms "Constitutional Carry" and "Permit Carry" have been mentioned. What is "shall-issue" concealed carry? I haven't heard that term mentioned as it might pertain to the State of Wisconsin.

hogger129 · 06-20-2011, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Doug B.

According to published reports in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, only the terms "Constitutional Carry" and "Permit Carry" have been mentioned. What is "shall-issue" concealed carry? I haven't heard that term mentioned as it might pertain to the State of Wisconsin.

It means that if you pass a background check and meet the training requirements, they are required to give you a permit.

As far as what the training requirements would be, I was told it was like the Utah CCW permit. You have to do the NRA Pistol Course, or have a hunter's safety card, or have military experience. Then you have to go shoot 50 rounds down range.

Except I do not think you have to get fingerprinted for the WI permit. I had to get fingerprinted for my Utah permit.

redwing carson · 06-21-2011, 09:46 PM

Utah CCW Trng. does not call for live firearm shooting. The Trng. only takes a few hours mostly Utah Law. After May 11th 2011 you must have a home state permit to apply for a Utah CCW. After Dec. 2011 all Utah CCW renwals must have a home state permit. NRA Handgun Inst. Utah- Wyoming. On the border.

American Leader · 06-21-2011, 10:14 PM

hogger, do you know if they will reciprocate with other states? Congrats!

hogger129 · 06-21-2011, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by American Leader

hogger, do you know if they will reciprocate with other states? Congrats!

Not sure yet. They were supposed to be voting on it today. Haven't heard if it passed yet. So far it's in Assembly and then it goes to Governor Walker.

I know you can open carry here without any kind of a permit. If you're just out in the country, they don't usually have a problem with open carry. In the cities, it's a bad idea.

Doug B. · 06-22-2011, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by hogger129

I know you can open carry here without any kind of a permit. If you're just out in the country, they don't usually have a problem with open carry. In the cities, it's a bad idea.

It's a real bad idea. The majority of residents in this state are not even aware that this law (right) exists.

hogger129 · 06-22-2011, 08:11 AM

Concealed carry passed Assembly yesterday. Now it goes to the Governor's desk and it's expected to become law in October or November depending on when Walker signs it.

http://host.madison.com/news/article...1f16a1371.html

hogger129 · 06-22-2011, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by American Leader

hogger, do you know if they will reciprocate with other states? Congrats!

Sounds like they will eventually declare reciprocity with the Utah permit because by the sound of the article I posted, the training requirements are the same. You have to have classroom instruction, but it says the bill doesn't require you to have range time. That's all I did for the Utah permit. Classroom training and didn't have to do range time.

terryu1 · 06-22-2011, 10:06 AM

Another victory for common sense.

john_bud · 07-01-2011, 04:30 PM

Governor Walker is supposed to sign next week. Probably July 8th.

Permits will take until October / November.

BETH · 07-01-2011, 04:34 PM

i don't think Colorado has carry

BETH · 07-01-2011, 04:45 PM

you can open carry in Florida now?

06-10-2011, 10:28 AM	#1
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,078	Good News For Wisconsin!!! Budget Panel Approves Concealed Carry Bill Committee Makes Changes Requiring Training, Permits MADISON, Wis. -- The Legislature's budget committee has passed a bill that would allow Wisconsin residents to carry concealed weapons. The Republican-controlled committee amended the bill Thursday to require people obtain permits and provide proof of training. Under the proposal, the state Department of Justice could charge permit applicants up to $37 plus $13 for a background check. Applicants would have to provide proof of firearms training, which could include completing a firearms safety course, a state hunter's safety course or documentation that an applicant participating in a shooting competition. DOJ would maintain a database of license holders, but police could access it only to confirm if a license is valid, determine if a person who claims to have a license actually does or if a person lied to obtain one. The panel approved those changes on a 15-1 vote with three of four Democrats joining with Republicans. They called the changes improvements. But one senator said the Legislature should be focusing on those who obtain guns illegally. "In all honesty, I'm not so worried about the people who buy a gun legally and buy a permit and carry a permit and go through the background check and do training. The folks I'm concerned about are the folks who get a gun, carry it illegally and do harm," said Sen. Luther Olsen, R-Ripon. The panel then approved the bill itself on a 12-4 vote. This time all the Democrats sided against the bill, saying Republicans want to make Wisconsin into a vigilante state. Republicans countered the bill would allow state residents to protect themselves. The committee approval sets up a full vote in the Legislature. http://http://www.channel3000.com/po...59/detail.html __________________ Samuel Adams once said, "among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can." --> Last edited by hogger129; 06-10-2011 at 10:30 AM..

06-10-2011, 10:31 AM	#2
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,078	Re: Good News For Wisconsin!!! I'm wondering if a Utah CCW permit is proof to show you've taken a firearms safety training course. __________________ Samuel Adams once said, "among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can."

06-10-2011, 10:58 AM	#3
john_bud V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 55	Re: Good News For Wisconsin!!! Well, it's better than nothing but.... WI already has Constitutional OPEN Carry. I can carry a pair of .50 cal Desert Eagles on my hips and an AR over my shoulder legally. But if I put on a jacket or untuck my shirt and have any part of my clothing touch the gun -- suddenly I need to be trained and buy a permit. Does clothing touching a weapon drop my IQ? make me a greater security risk? Not in my book, but it is how cops define "Concealed" and that makes it illegal. Even left wing liberal Vermont allows Constitutional Concealed Carry and they have not had doomsday because of it!

06-10-2011, 11:09 AM	#4
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,253	Re: Good News For Wisconsin!!! I am always happy to hear pro gun progress, but am still unhappy about any form of regulation. We have had this discussion before. The 2nd ammendment should be the law. Since that is not the case, I applaud the repub leadership for at least changing the law in favor of gun owners. Dems will always be on the wrong side of the arguement. There is that percentage of repubs on that side as well, but as a whole, conservatives are pro gun. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

06-10-2011, 02:27 PM	#5
Juker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Land of Lincoln Contributor Posts: 2,872	Re: Good News For Wisconsin!!! Yeee-ha! That makes Illinois the only holdout! The only state with no form of carry whatsoever! We're number one! We're number one! No, wait... We're number fifty! We're... (sigh) Illinois sucks. __________________ SHOOT FIRST. SHOOT SECOND. MOST IMPORTANTLY, BE THE MAN WHO'S SHOOTING LAST.

06-10-2011, 05:11 PM	#6
lawdawg V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: South Alabama Posts: 268	Re: Good News For Wisconsin!!! At least it's a step in the right direction. __________________ Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774_1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764

06-19-2011, 10:53 PM	#9
redwing carson Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: western wyoming Posts: 734	Re: Good News For Wisconsin!!! This is great news. The good guys may win another state. What is the next step in getting this law enacted? How does it look for becoming law. This law is very close to what we first had here in Wyoming. We will have Const'l Carry starting July 1, 2011. The first step is only the start of regaining our freedoms.

06-20-2011, 06:46 AM	#10
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,253	Re: Good News For Wisconsin!!! Our governer just signed our open carry into law last week. I would hug him if I could. Also allows us to buy rifles out of state. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

06-21-2011, 09:46 PM	#14
redwing carson Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: western wyoming Posts: 734	Re: Good News For Wisconsin!!! Utah CCW Trng. does not call for live firearm shooting. The Trng. only takes a few hours mostly Utah Law. After May 11th 2011 you must have a home state permit to apply for a Utah CCW. After Dec. 2011 all Utah CCW renwals must have a home state permit. NRA Handgun Inst. Utah- Wyoming. On the border.

06-21-2011, 10:14 PM	#15
American Leader Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Iowa Contributor Posts: 1,630	Re: Good News For Wisconsin!!! hogger, do you know if they will reciprocate with other states? Congrats!

06-22-2011, 08:11 AM	#18
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,078	Re: Good News For Wisconsin!!! Concealed carry passed Assembly yesterday. Now it goes to the Governor's desk and it's expected to become law in October or November depending on when Walker signs it. http://host.madison.com/news/article...1f16a1371.html __________________ Samuel Adams once said, "among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can."

06-22-2011, 10:06 AM	#20
terryu1 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NE Pennsylvania Contributor Posts: 1,265	Re: Good News For Wisconsin!!! Another victory for common sense. __________________ ARMED INFIDEL

07-01-2011, 04:30 PM	#21
john_bud V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 55	Re: Good News For Wisconsin!!! Governor Walker is supposed to sign next week. Probably July 8th. Permits will take until October / November.

07-01-2011, 04:34 PM	#22
BETH Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: naugatuck,Ct. Contributor Posts: 6,686	Re: Good News For Wisconsin!!! i don't think Colorado has carry

07-01-2011, 04:45 PM	#23
BETH Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: naugatuck,Ct. Contributor Posts: 6,686	Re: Good News For Wisconsin!!! you can open carry in Florida now?