concealed carry , hi point 40 cal an 45 acp - The Firearms Forum

EVERETT · 07-02-2011, 06:42 PM

hey guys , ok in wisconsin now we will be able to conceal an carry by roughly september , so heres what im thinking i want sumthing with sum decent knock down power but dont wanna fork out the extra $ for sumthin "nicer" so im considering the hi point 45 acp for myself an the hi point 40 cal for my wife , i know alotta people say there junk but everyone has there oppinion right , i did alot of reviewing an talking to people an hell i seen the hi point 9mm models take a beating litterally an still function an shoot what they were pointen at , now i know the older hi point models really were junk but as im told the qaulity is alot better , so whats everyone here say about em ?

permafrost · 07-02-2011, 07:53 PM

We've discussed them quite a bit on here. The general concensus being that they are ugly,clunky, cheap(price) and dependable. You could do a lot worse.

EVERETT · 07-02-2011, 08:30 PM

lol well thanks, so it wouldnt be to bad of a concealed carry gun then huh ?

CampingJosh · 07-02-2011, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EVERETT

lol well thanks, so it wouldnt be to bad of a concealed carry gun then huh ?

Fully loaded, that Hi-Point .45 is about 2.5 lbs. That's heavy. It's also huge. Not particularly easy to conceal.

For just a little bit more money, you can get one of many inexpensive options from Keltec, Taurus, and several other manufacturers that are much, much easier to carry. The Hi-Points aren't bad guns; they're just not particularly suited for carrying.

AAofLot19 · 07-02-2011, 10:32 PM

You'll hear from pretty much anyone that they are not ideal for carrying. I agree with Josh on going with another option.

carver · 07-03-2011, 07:32 AM

I consider the Hi-Point to be a range gun for plinking. They are really too large to be a carry gun. They are so heavy that it would be uncomfortable, and you probably will wind up not wanting to carry it. Then there is the fact that if you do have this gun on your hip when the SHTF, will it get the job done? IMHO, if my life is on the line, I don't want to have to defend it with the cheapeast pistol on the market! I want something I can really count on. Spend a little more money and get something that will do just that. If the Hi-Point is all you can afford at this time, then go for it. The first rule in a gun fight is to be some where else, the second rule is to have a gun!

RedHawk · 07-03-2011, 08:22 AM

and the 3rd rule is to not have a Hi-Point !!

EVERETT · 07-03-2011, 05:15 PM

ok thanks for every ones input , heres the thing i want a 45acp to carry not anything smaller just cause it packs the punch where if u shoot once its done an over, the weight aint really an issue for me , an a fully loaded hi point 45 acp would be close to the same weight as a 1911 right ? , an i really did look around alot but all i find a few 45's that are used an there selling for a new price , so i can get the high point 40 a 45 for around 430 with taxes an tranfer fee's, anyone know where i can get a nice 45 acp for around 400 ?

Boris · 07-03-2011, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by EVERETT

ok thanks for every ones input , heres the thing i want a 45acp to carry not anything smaller just cause it packs the punch where if u shoot once its done an over, the weight aint really an issue for me , an a fully loaded hi point 45 acp would be close to the same weight as a 1911 right ? , an i really did look around alot but all i find a few 45's that are used an there selling for a new price , so i can get the high point 40 a 45 for around 430 with taxes an tranfer fee's, anyone know where i can get a nice 45 acp for around 400 ?

You should be able to get two highpoints for $430.00 with change to spare to buy ammo.

You can find used XDs and Glocks for $400.00. I have seen police trade ins for $325.00.

Also there is no such a thing as a one shot and done caliber.

EVERETT · 07-03-2011, 09:16 PM

i dont do the glock thing an wont do it just dont care for them , but a springfeild i would consider but all i see around is 9mm an well there nice but just a lil small , an well yeah ur right boris there isnt a 1 shot an done gun out there , but if im pullin it ill only need 1 shot an i garuntee itll be done

, lol , an well thats if theres only 1 assailant

but yeah i can get a 40 cal an a 45 acp high point for around 469.00 but im gonna look into a few other options before i buy the hi points

graehaven · 07-04-2011, 11:27 AM

How much "carrying" of an actual pistol have you done? Any?

Been carrying every day since 1997.

If you buy something that is too heavy and uncomfortable, you won't carry it. It will be home, perhaps when you really need it.

What is up with the glamorization of the .45? It is NOT the be all and end all of calibers. Unbelievable.

And I have one. And you know what? I don't carry it........ why? Because it's too FRICKIN' big, that's why. It's my bedside gun. And it's a "compact" .45. Ha!

I'll carry a 9mm or my .357 snubby all day long though, and it's hardly noticeable. It will be MORE than enough to get the job done. And it will be with me, when I need it.

RunningOnMT · 07-04-2011, 12:44 PM

Everett I happen to love .45 acp but what Graehaven said is true, .45 isn't the end all caliber. Time after time it has been proven that .45 is not that much greater than 9mm for one shot stops. Now the Hi Points are fine for a nightstand gun but there are a lot better choices out there for concealed carry. To me it's not so much the weight as it is the concealability of a gun that size.

You can get a Kel Tec or Bersa 9mm for not a whole lot more than a Hi Point .45. Either of those would be a better choice for CC in my opinion

You seem very confident in your shooting skills to be so sure you only need one shot. Of course you know the only guaranteed one stop shot is one that hits anywhere from the center of the face down through the throat that interrupts the cerebral cortex. Not always easy. Do you shoot much? Own any handguns now?

Finally I'm curious as to why you want a .45 for yourself but have decided on a .40 S&W for your wife. Several points here:

No. 1, There isn't much difference in felt recoil between the .40 and .45.

No 2, You shouldn't automatically assume that a woman can't handle that much gun. Many women learn to handle the bigger calibers quite effectively.

No 3, Before you purchase any gun for CCW, anyone, man or woman should try out the gun and see how it feels to them. If you are an inexperienced shooter it is also advisable to get firearms instruction and PRACTICE with the caliber of your choice.

Lastly, what is it you have against Glock? Yes it's plastic but so is Hi Point. Glocks are as rugged, reliable, and accurate as anything out there. I don't think any other handgun has gone through as much torture testing as Glock. They are probably the most popular make of handgun in police dept.s all over the country, as well as the secret service, and F.B.I. Now if you just don't like how they feel in your hand, that's a different story.

Hope that helps. BTW, Welcome aboard Everett.

Double D · 07-04-2011, 02:37 PM

I have a 45 and a 9mm hi point brand new I will sell you for 318.00 plus 20.00 shipping to your ffl.

EVERETT · 07-04-2011, 03:31 PM

hey guys , well ima pretty decent shot ive been shooting every since bootcamp at 18 lol , but glock is a import i dont like imports just like i like my cars made in the usa , also glocks are very compact i like have all my fingers fit on the gun , an im not glamorizing the 45 acp , but hey it was used in combat an will do the job nicely , but yeah so size may be the only issue ive been thinking about that alot now since every ones implies that there heavy , but i do wonder how heavy a springfield xd with 16 shells in the mag might be to , an well i havent completly decided on it yet but if i did go the hi point route i would be getting a great deal on them an well theres no perticular reason as to why i would give the wife the 40 over the 45 besides i think the 45 is cooler so i would want it lol , an yeah i do own a few guns but honestly i havent shot a 45 acp so i dunno i kinda just like it . an also i havent did any concealed carrying as to it would be illegal until our law passes here in wisconsin wich soon it will

EVERETT · 07-04-2011, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Double D

I have a 45 and a 9mm hi point brand new I will sell you for 369.00 plus 20.00 shipping to your ffl.

thanks for the offer double d but i can get the 40 an 45 hi points for about 330.00 its all the ffl tranfering bull that is gonna get me lol

the wolf · 07-05-2011, 07:58 PM

ever thought of looking at Kimber emp 45.. 3 inch barrel.. that thing can shoot and great for carry. I got a SA 4 inch lightweight operator.. greatr gun and no problem with it.. will be taking to the gunsmith to finetune it soon.

EVERETT · 07-05-2011, 08:23 PM

hey guys ive actualy started looking around sum , an i really like the rock island 1911 gi model for 435 but i also seen a nice taurus i forgot wich model but it held 12 45 acp shells an lookt pretty cool to for 489 , is that a decent price for them ? an as for the wife im gonna just take her to the shop an let her grip a few an see wich one she likes , watch it be a pink 22lr lol

RedHawk · 07-06-2011, 07:36 AM

If your looking at Hi-Point , Kimber is completely out of the question!!

Double D · 07-06-2011, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by EVERETT

thanks for the offer double d but i can get the 40 an 45 hi points for about 330.00 its all the ffl tranfering bull that is gonna get me lol

Im sorry for the misquote on the hi points. It should be 318.00 for the both plus shipping. Not sure where my head was at that day. The guns are 159.00 each.

graehaven · 07-06-2011, 10:36 AM

Never bought a gun because it looked "cool." I buy a gun because it will do the particular job I want it to do. All my guns are ugly, easy to carry, and go bang every time.

EVERETT · 07-06-2011, 06:50 PM

well i like my gun to have a kinda nice look to it , an yeah i seen a few kimber but the $ are a lil high on them , but i do like the way the ria 1911 felt in my hand nice size to classic looks an it was all metal plus theres a nice aftermarket parts selection

Regular Joe · 07-07-2011, 05:17 AM

You understand, of course, that the RIA is made in the Philippines? My Glock 19 was bought used for $300, and there jus plain ain't no better carry gun on earth.

RedHawk · 07-07-2011, 08:20 AM

Well now Reg Joe , dont be opening up cans of worms like that!! I have to say I enjoyed my Glock 23 , and I might get another one sometime, of course with that said ,I let the Glock go , I will never let a 1911 go!!!

graehaven · 07-07-2011, 09:55 AM

I wouldn't carry a tricked out 1911 for defensive carry. I'll stick with my stock Glocks and Kel-tecs. If I have to face a jury, I'll will have used what 90+% of police use.

That's not to say that I don't ever want a 1911, but, I can buy two new guns and a 1,000 rounds of ammo for the same price as a "flawlessly functioning" 1911 - and that's based on what I've read on this forum. Too rich for me.

Double D · 07-07-2011, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Regular Joe

You understand, of course, that the RIA is made in the Philippines? My Glock 19 was bought used for $300, and there jus plain ain't no better carry gun on earth.

This is why we all have an opinion! I wouldnt trade one good 1911 for 3 glocks.

07-02-2011, 06:42 PM	#1
EVERETT V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: WEST ALLIS WISCONSIN Posts: 98	concealed carry , hi point 40 cal an 45 acp hey guys , ok in wisconsin now we will be able to conceal an carry by roughly september , so heres what im thinking i want sumthing with sum decent knock down power but dont wanna fork out the extra $ for sumthin "nicer" so im considering the hi point 45 acp for myself an the hi point 40 cal for my wife , i know alotta people say there junk but everyone has there oppinion right , i did alot of reviewing an talking to people an hell i seen the hi point 9mm models take a beating litterally an still function an shoot what they were pointen at , now i know the older hi point models really were junk but as im told the qaulity is alot better , so whats everyone here say about em ? -->

07-02-2011, 07:53 PM	#2
permafrost Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Oklahoma, USA Contributor Posts: 1,777	Re: concealed carry , hi point 40 cal an 45 acp We've discussed them quite a bit on here. The general concensus being that they are ugly,clunky, cheap(price) and dependable. You could do a lot worse. __________________ Stand and Fight

07-02-2011, 08:30 PM	#3
EVERETT V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: WEST ALLIS WISCONSIN Posts: 98	Re: concealed carry , hi point 40 cal an 45 acp lol well thanks, so it wouldnt be to bad of a concealed carry gun then huh ?

07-02-2011, 10:32 PM	#5
AAofLot19 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 61	Re: concealed carry , hi point 40 cal an 45 acp You'll hear from pretty much anyone that they are not ideal for carrying. I agree with Josh on going with another option. __________________ I think there is only one quality worse than hardness of heart and that is softness of head. Theodore Roosevelt

07-03-2011, 07:32 AM	#6
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,555	Re: concealed carry , hi point 40 cal an 45 acp I consider the Hi-Point to be a range gun for plinking. They are really too large to be a carry gun. They are so heavy that it would be uncomfortable, and you probably will wind up not wanting to carry it. Then there is the fact that if you do have this gun on your hip when the SHTF, will it get the job done? IMHO, if my life is on the line, I don't want to have to defend it with the cheapeast pistol on the market! I want something I can really count on. Spend a little more money and get something that will do just that. If the Hi-Point is all you can afford at this time, then go for it. The first rule in a gun fight is to be some where else, the second rule is to have a gun! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

07-03-2011, 08:22 AM	#7
RedHawk Former Guest Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 177	Re: concealed carry , hi point 40 cal an 45 acp and the 3rd rule is to not have a Hi-Point !!

07-03-2011, 05:15 PM	#8
EVERETT V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: WEST ALLIS WISCONSIN Posts: 98	Re: concealed carry , hi point 40 cal an 45 acp ok thanks for every ones input , heres the thing i want a 45acp to carry not anything smaller just cause it packs the punch where if u shoot once its done an over, the weight aint really an issue for me , an a fully loaded hi point 45 acp would be close to the same weight as a 1911 right ? , an i really did look around alot but all i find a few 45's that are used an there selling for a new price , so i can get the high point 40 a 45 for around 430 with taxes an tranfer fee's, anyone know where i can get a nice 45 acp for around 400 ? Last edited by EVERETT; 07-03-2011 at 05:17 PM..

07-03-2011, 09:16 PM	#10
EVERETT V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: WEST ALLIS WISCONSIN Posts: 98	Re: concealed carry , hi point 40 cal an 45 acp i dont do the glock thing an wont do it just dont care for them , but a springfeild i would consider but all i see around is 9mm an well there nice but just a lil small , an well yeah ur right boris there isnt a 1 shot an done gun out there , but if im pullin it ill only need 1 shot an i garuntee itll be done, lol , an well thats if theres only 1 assailant but yeah i can get a 40 cal an a 45 acp high point for around 469.00 but im gonna look into a few other options before i buy the hi points

07-04-2011, 11:27 AM	#11
graehaven Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 2,853	Re: concealed carry , hi point 40 cal an 45 acp How much "carrying" of an actual pistol have you done? Any? Been carrying every day since 1997. If you buy something that is too heavy and uncomfortable, you won't carry it. It will be home, perhaps when you really need it. What is up with the glamorization of the .45? It is NOT the be all and end all of calibers. Unbelievable. And I have one. And you know what? I don't carry it........ why? Because it's too FRICKIN' big, that's why. It's my bedside gun. And it's a "compact" .45. Ha! I'll carry a 9mm or my .357 snubby all day long though, and it's hardly noticeable. It will be MORE than enough to get the job done. And it will be with me, when I need it. __________________ The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." - Thomas Jefferson RESISTANCE IS FEUDAL... PREPARE TO SERVE. Last edited by graehaven; 07-04-2011 at 11:28 AM..

07-04-2011, 12:44 PM	#12
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Re: concealed carry , hi point 40 cal an 45 acp Everett I happen to love .45 acp but what Graehaven said is true, .45 isn't the end all caliber. Time after time it has been proven that .45 is not that much greater than 9mm for one shot stops. Now the Hi Points are fine for a nightstand gun but there are a lot better choices out there for concealed carry. To me it's not so much the weight as it is the concealability of a gun that size. You can get a Kel Tec or Bersa 9mm for not a whole lot more than a Hi Point .45. Either of those would be a better choice for CC in my opinion You seem very confident in your shooting skills to be so sure you only need one shot. Of course you know the only guaranteed one stop shot is one that hits anywhere from the center of the face down through the throat that interrupts the cerebral cortex. Not always easy. Do you shoot much? Own any handguns now? Finally I'm curious as to why you want a .45 for yourself but have decided on a .40 S&W for your wife. Several points here: No. 1, There isn't much difference in felt recoil between the .40 and .45. No 2, You shouldn't automatically assume that a woman can't handle that much gun. Many women learn to handle the bigger calibers quite effectively. No 3, Before you purchase any gun for CCW, anyone, man or woman should try out the gun and see how it feels to them. If you are an inexperienced shooter it is also advisable to get firearms instruction and PRACTICE with the caliber of your choice. Lastly, what is it you have against Glock? Yes it's plastic but so is Hi Point. Glocks are as rugged, reliable, and accurate as anything out there. I don't think any other handgun has gone through as much torture testing as Glock. They are probably the most popular make of handgun in police dept.s all over the country, as well as the secret service, and F.B.I. Now if you just don't like how they feel in your hand, that's a different story. Hope that helps. BTW, Welcome aboard Everett. __________________ "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!" Last edited by RunningOnMT; 07-04-2011 at 12:47 PM..

07-04-2011, 02:37 PM	#13
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,259	Re: concealed carry , hi point 40 cal an 45 acp I have a 45 and a 9mm hi point brand new I will sell you for 318.00 plus 20.00 shipping to your ffl. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder. Last edited by Double D; 07-06-2011 at 09:24 AM..

07-04-2011, 03:31 PM	#14
EVERETT V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: WEST ALLIS WISCONSIN Posts: 98	Re: concealed carry , hi point 40 cal an 45 acp hey guys , well ima pretty decent shot ive been shooting every since bootcamp at 18 lol , but glock is a import i dont like imports just like i like my cars made in the usa , also glocks are very compact i like have all my fingers fit on the gun , an im not glamorizing the 45 acp , but hey it was used in combat an will do the job nicely , but yeah so size may be the only issue ive been thinking about that alot now since every ones implies that there heavy , but i do wonder how heavy a springfield xd with 16 shells in the mag might be to , an well i havent completly decided on it yet but if i did go the hi point route i would be getting a great deal on them an well theres no perticular reason as to why i would give the wife the 40 over the 45 besides i think the 45 is cooler so i would want it lol , an yeah i do own a few guns but honestly i havent shot a 45 acp so i dunno i kinda just like it . an also i havent did any concealed carrying as to it would be illegal until our law passes here in wisconsin wich soon it will Last edited by EVERETT; 07-04-2011 at 03:35 PM..

07-05-2011, 07:58 PM	#16
the wolf V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: upstate NY Posts: 91	Re: concealed carry , hi point 40 cal an 45 acp ever thought of looking at Kimber emp 45.. 3 inch barrel.. that thing can shoot and great for carry. I got a SA 4 inch lightweight operator.. greatr gun and no problem with it.. will be taking to the gunsmith to finetune it soon.

07-05-2011, 08:23 PM	#17
EVERETT V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: WEST ALLIS WISCONSIN Posts: 98	Re: concealed carry , hi point 40 cal an 45 acp hey guys ive actualy started looking around sum , an i really like the rock island 1911 gi model for 435 but i also seen a nice taurus i forgot wich model but it held 12 45 acp shells an lookt pretty cool to for 489 , is that a decent price for them ? an as for the wife im gonna just take her to the shop an let her grip a few an see wich one she likes , watch it be a pink 22lr lol

07-06-2011, 07:36 AM	#18
RedHawk Former Guest Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 177	Re: concealed carry , hi point 40 cal an 45 acp If your looking at Hi-Point , Kimber is completely out of the question!!

07-06-2011, 10:36 AM	#20
graehaven Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 2,853	Re: concealed carry , hi point 40 cal an 45 acp Never bought a gun because it looked "cool." I buy a gun because it will do the particular job I want it to do. All my guns are ugly, easy to carry, and go bang every time. __________________ The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." - Thomas Jefferson RESISTANCE IS FEUDAL... PREPARE TO SERVE.

07-06-2011, 06:50 PM	#21
EVERETT V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: WEST ALLIS WISCONSIN Posts: 98	Re: concealed carry , hi point 40 cal an 45 acp well i like my gun to have a kinda nice look to it , an yeah i seen a few kimber but the $ are a lil high on them , but i do like the way the ria 1911 felt in my hand nice size to classic looks an it was all metal plus theres a nice aftermarket parts selection

07-07-2011, 05:17 AM	#22
Regular Joe V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 269	Re: concealed carry , hi point 40 cal an 45 acp You understand, of course, that the RIA is made in the Philippines? My Glock 19 was bought used for $300, and there jus plain ain't no better carry gun on earth. __________________ Around here, we don't say "Oh shucks", or "oh man". We say Oh BAMA!!

07-07-2011, 08:20 AM	#23
RedHawk Former Guest Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 177	Re: concealed carry , hi point 40 cal an 45 acp Well now Reg Joe , dont be opening up cans of worms like that!! I have to say I enjoyed my Glock 23 , and I might get another one sometime, of course with that said ,I let the Glock go , I will never let a 1911 go!!!

07-07-2011, 09:55 AM	#24
graehaven Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 2,853	Re: concealed carry , hi point 40 cal an 45 acp I wouldn't carry a tricked out 1911 for defensive carry. I'll stick with my stock Glocks and Kel-tecs. If I have to face a jury, I'll will have used what 90+% of police use. That's not to say that I don't ever want a 1911, but, I can buy two new guns and a 1,000 rounds of ammo for the same price as a "flawlessly functioning" 1911 - and that's based on what I've read on this forum. Too rich for me. __________________ The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." - Thomas Jefferson RESISTANCE IS FEUDAL... PREPARE TO SERVE.